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tdswanson
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Inventor 2012 - Create Ordinate Sets from Opposite Edges without Multiple Zeros?

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07-05-2012 11:23 AM

Hey everyone:

 

I'm detailing a simple square plate with a good number of holes in it.  I create an ordiate set running vertically along the LH edge and select the holes that are close to that side.  Origin is the lower LH corner.  Works great, easy.

 

The holes that are closer to the RH side though I'd like to show on that side.  So I go to create a second ordinate set for the RH side and choose the lower RH corner as the origin and choose my holes that are close to that edge.  The 2nd set will automatically show a second "0.000" dimension on the bottom edge and I can't supress it by right clicking.

 

Is there a better way to do this?  What I've done now is to not use a set but just choose ordinate dimension and go from the opposite edge, which works....  But alignment is better with a set.  Suggestions?

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sbixler
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Re: Inventor 2012 - Create Ordinate Sets from Opposite Edges without Multiple Ze

07-06-2012 06:20 AM in reply to: tdswanson

Same here.  You can hide the 0.000 dimension value, but not, so far as I can tell, the extension line.  I end up using individual ordinate dimensions as you have described.

 

Wish list item: be able to hide the origin member of all but one Ordinate Dimension Sets which run the same direction in the same view.

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Re: Inventor 2012 - Create Ordinate Sets from Opposite Edges without Multiple Ze

07-18-2012 04:03 PM in reply to: tdswanson

Ordinate Sets have individual, custom origins defined in each annotation feature. The Ordinate tool can be more flexible in some scenarios.

 

In Ordinate dimensions, it is easier to modify a single dimension in the set. A numeric annotation for the origin is not required. The origin symbol can even be hidden if preferred.

 

The dimension > Arrange feature is the feature you are looking for to get dimension alignment like an ordinate set. I've attached a quick video of the features I'm describing above. 

 

Thanks,

 



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Re: Inventor 2012 - Create Ordinate Sets from Opposite Edges without Multiple Ze

07-19-2012 04:16 AM in reply to: innovatenate

You've described exactly the workaround that we are currently using.  But the OP and I are both wanting the benefits of an ordinate set (automatic alignment, jogged leaders where needed, etc.), but being able to place some of the members on the opposite side of the view, either by creating a second set and hiding the zero value, or by tagging specific members of a set and defining a secondary location for them.

 

Not suggesting that this is a simple programming change, but does it make sense?

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07-19-2012 04:45 AM in reply to: sbixler

This works in 2011 & 2013 (we skipped 2012):

 

First use the ordinate dimension tool to select your origin, click continue and then cancel.

Select the ordinate dimension set tool and place your first set of dimensions.

Then repeat using the ordinate dimension set tool to place the second set of dimensions without making the zero selection.

 

Is that what you are looking for?

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07-19-2012 05:02 AM in reply to: japike

Great! This works, but not quite as you described.  You can't avoid making the zero selection, but if you pick the actual geometry that you want to dimension as the zero point, you can go back afterwards and right click on the set, choose Options > Use Origin Indicator.  This accomplishes exactly what I wanted with only the smallest of workarounds.

 

Tdswanson, does this work for you?

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07-19-2012 05:15 AM in reply to: sbixler

Sam,

 

Check your dimension styles. On the "Options" tab there is a check box for "Use Origin Indicator" under "Ordinate Dimension Origins" (It looks like the origin symbol".

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07-19-2012 05:30 AM in reply to: japike

Ah, yes.  I'll have to ponder the other implications of doing that, but it might just work that way for us.

 

Thanks for the help.  I've learned my one new thing for today!

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Re: Inventor 2012 - Create Ordinate Sets from Opposite Edges without Multiple Ze

07-19-2012 06:04 AM in reply to: sbixler

Maybe I'm missing the a step, but this doens't seem to work for me.  Here's the steps I'm following:

 

1. Choose ordinate set, prompted to choose an origin.

2. Pick a corner of a square plate for the origin.  It'll show the big target there.

3. Choose some holes for a dimension set, choose continue, choose create.  Escape.

4. Click ordinate set again.

5. Prompted to choose origin, choose the same corner point as before.

6. Pick some other holes to dimension.

7. Choose continue, drag new set to the opposite side of the block.

8. Choose create.  I now have (2) 0.000 dimensions pointing to the corner of the block.

9. Right click on the second set, options>Use Origin Indicator is unchecked.  Click it and nothing visually changes.

10. Right click on the second set, options>Hide origin indicator hides the "target" icon, but I still have (2) 0.000 dimensions.

 

When right clicking on one of the 0.000 dims, I don't have the option to delete member.  Am I missing something? 

 

Thanks for looking into this guys!

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Re: Inventor 2012 - Create Ordinate Sets from Opposite Edges without Multiple Ze

07-19-2012 06:12 AM in reply to: tdswanson

The thing you're missing is that your first pick doesn't need to be the zero.  If the dimension style is set to "Use Origin Indicator", it will measure from the origin.  Even if you don't have a view origin when you place the ordinate set, when you eventually set one, the ordinate sets will update to measure from that location.

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