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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

02-28-2013 10:12 AM in reply to: CelticDesignServices

Final reply post for the above stated pics.

 

I wish I still had the ability to post pics within the post...ugh!

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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

02-28-2013 11:51 AM in reply to: CelticDesignServices

Hey jim,

 

 Yes like I stated 80% of the time it works in order for you to see it you would have to do it this way all the time till you see it. So far it has not done it again for my client. So far he said it is working.

 

 

I will keep you up dated


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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

02-28-2013 01:10 PM in reply to: jletcher

Thanks Jim....ya just gotta love those non-repeatable glitches huh?

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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

03-01-2013 05:42 AM in reply to: CelticDesignServices

Yes Jim they are the hard ones to chase.

 

 I think some might have to starting Inventor maybe something forgot to click on or something.

 

I set up a VB program that will do this process and take screen shoots of the BOM and the part list over and over have it running all day today see what the results are tonight I will inform you.

 

 


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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

03-01-2013 06:02 AM in reply to: jletcher

i think James is right.

 

even with all the feedback tings seem to be getting more off track.

 

we need basic stuff sorted, not shiny stuff added.

 

we see the same misguided behaviour from microsoft, adobe. outsourcing ??? focus on shareholders not users who pay hard earned cash for this stuff.

 

it seems the bigger the organisation becomes the more silly things become. how is it that little private businesses not for profit organisations can operate better than massive multi corporates.

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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

03-01-2013 06:15 AM in reply to: Mark_Wigan

Hey

 

I have the same view as James.

 

Inventor is a great tool for beginers. It's user friendly, easy to learn.... everything.

 

But when you staart to advance and use more and more thing, problems appear.

 

As  I see it, they are selling something and saying that it can do this, this and that, but when the bottom line is drawn you have problems with 30% of them, and you cannot use it as you like, but it looks good for marketing.

 

Slow down Autodesk. Do it right!

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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

03-01-2013 09:07 AM in reply to: CelticDesignServices

I have to respectfully disagree with those statements on a few points.

 

One, AutoDesk, like everyone else knows full well, that it's the stuffed suits that sign the purchase checks and there has to be a bit of "flash" in order to get them to react like a dog seeing a squirrel. That's why you see those "flashy" canned demos at first. But in my experience with Pro/E, SW and Inventor, the Inventor presenters have always been able to go off script and field concerns and questions in real time and even walk thru them. Not the case with the other guys.

 

Now as far as the claims of Inventor being a beginners tool, Ummm...sorry but being on it since release 3, I don't consider myself a "beginner", nor do I use "beginner" commands. Honestly, I use the beginner commnads so infrequently that I have difficulty doing them whne I give training classes to actual beginners.

 

If you are having issues with advanced commands, look in the mirror first and find out what you might be doing wrong first. That's always been my approach. Problem is, few people can honestly do that and admit they might be doing something wrong or insist on the command working the way THEY want it to work as opposed to how it really does. Now, I'm not saying this is your case, but it is a reality, I've seen it many times.

 

Me being the type that'll misspell my own **** name, I always consider a different way of doing things. How many times have you seen a user attempt to create a radius, have it fail and then claim Inventor (or whatever CAD program) can't create radii? Consider there is at least about 3+ ways of doing each command in a program, if one doesn't work, try the others. Chances are it'll work.

 

Next is, please list what software programs out there on the market that work 100% every time..........................Beuller?................Beuller?

 

Inventor is far from perfect, but so is everything else out there. You learn to deal with the issues as best you can until a fix is done. As complicated and robust as these programs are, I think they do a pretty **** good job consider others I've seen with far less abilities.

 

In closing, I doubt you meant it as an insult to anyone, but I did find it rather insulting considering the time and effort I have in this program. It is far from being a "beginner's" tool.

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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

03-06-2013 05:01 AM in reply to: CelticDesignServices

Not to dredge this up, but I have to agree with Jim..All the complaining in the world isnt going to fix every last issue for every last user..

I lurk on this forum reading how IV doesnt do this or that like Solidworks, or AutoCAD, or whatever and have to laugh..It wouldnt matter if AutoDesk spent the next 3 releases of IV fixing every last issue that people have because someone, somewhere would complain about something..Until they come up with a program that reads your thought patterns and automatically creates models, drawings and parts lists, its the nature of the beast..

We all struggle with something Inventor does or doesnt do from time to time, and bitching about it is normal..I suggest we take a deep breath, and work on a solution to the problem instead of throwing up our hands and saying the software is a piece of crap...with the 6 gazillion ways that people are using Inventor, how would  YOU write a program to satisfy every one of them?

I use it to design some pretty complex stuff and it works pretty well for me..Beats the hell out of the alternative of doing it by hand, or even in AutoCad..Do I wish it would do things differently/faster/ yaddayadda sometimes?..You bet. Would I trade it for any other 3D modeling software out there?..hell no..


 

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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

03-06-2013 05:41 AM in reply to: jletcher

You might check the default sort order, or the order it places parts into the parts list. You do know that inventor has a sort for its parts list and as long as your naming convention follows certain rules they can be sorted to order in about 3 seconds no matter how many parts you have. The bad part, if you use numbers 1 must be 01, 02, etc, or 001, 002 etc depending on the number of parts.

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Re: I remember when Inventor Worked

03-06-2013 08:51 AM in reply to: CelticDesignServices

Riff,

 

Thanks.

I know this isn't adding to the thread but I just wanted to comment a little.

I once worked with a guy who twice a day would come over to me, interrupt whatever I was doing just in hopes he found something Inventor couldn't do that Solidworks could. He was a new hire and insisted the company needed to rip out the 50+ seats of Inventor in favor of SW. It bugged him to no end that each time he attempted to claim Inventor couldn't do something SW could, I showed him how to actually do it in Inventor, he'd walk away ticked off and still claiming Inventor couldn't do it or his better claims "why doesn't Inventor do it like Solidworks?".

 

One of his main complaints was the ability to customize keys. If I recall at the time you could only customize the F keys and maybe a few regular keys. Then, the day our reseller and an Autodesk rep came in to demo the new release (I wanna say it was 2009), he actually sat there at the table and asked the rep why Inventor didn't customize the keys to the way HE wants them, out of the box. Yes, he literally wanted/expected Autodesk to consult him on what keys he wanted to do what with and this would be the default. He told them he didn't want to be bothered having to spend the time customizing his keys, that AutoDesk should know how he wanted them done.

 

I kid you not. All the reps thought he was joking, but we all knew he wasn't and he did nothing but complain about that the rest of the meeting. Trust me, there was no happier day in my assignment there than the day he put in his notice.

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