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Change Revision Tag Triangle Size

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Message 1 of 20
binsar_z
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Change Revision Tag Triangle Size

I Have problem to change Revision Tag Triangle size. I need to suit the triangle size to the proportional size (as shown on attachment). Any idea? any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

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Message 2 of 20
Daren.Lawrence
in reply to: binsar_z

The revision tag size is governed by the text height used for it in the styles based on ASME standards. To my knowledge, this isn't exposed in the API and if that's the case, we couldn't even access the spacing of the symbol to text height with a macro. Based on that, your best bet is to define your own symbol in your template(s) and use this triangle size for your rev tags.



Daren Lawrence
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Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 3 of 20
binsar_z
in reply to: Daren.Lawrence

Hi Daren,

 

We have one license of SolidWorks, and when try to put revision tag, it looks better, we can also rotate it. As I know we can't found it this menu in Inventor. May be Autodesk should be concern about it, as the people have been asking or posting from several years ago.

 

Thank you for attantion.

Message 4 of 20
lark22
in reply to: binsar_z

The post says issue solved.  Changing the text size does not change the ratio of the circle or the triangle.  Just makes the text harder to read.  Unless the fix is to switch to solid works.  Because this appears to to have been an issue for the last 6 years and Autodesk has never addressed this issue.

Message 5 of 20
mcgyvr
in reply to: lark22


@lark22 wrote:

The post says issue solved.  Changing the text size does not change the ratio of the circle or the triangle.  Just makes the text harder to read.  Unless the fix is to switch to solid works.  Because this appears to to have been an issue for the last 6 years and Autodesk has never addressed this issue.


umm. Changing the text size changes the size of the triangle. Have you had any training on how to modify drawing styles properly?



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Message 6 of 20
lark22
in reply to: mcgyvr

I have been doing this for almost 30 years and every companys standard ballon size is .25 inch with .125 text.  This has been the norm forever.  Attached is the proof that I have changed the text size and that the revision balloon looks hugh in comparison.  Please do not say you just dont know what you are doing when Autodesk cant even program to industry standards.

Message 7 of 20
mcgyvr
in reply to: lark22


@lark22 wrote:

I have been doing this for almost 30 years and every companys standard ballon size is .25 inch with .125 text.  This has been the norm forever.  Attached is the proof that I have changed the text size and that the revision balloon looks hugh in comparison.  Please do not say you just dont know what you are doing when Autodesk cant even program to industry standards.


The "norm" is not a standard. Autodesk is 100% compliant with ASME Y14.35M. However that standard is VERY open in what a revision tag/symbol is. Technically all one must do to be compliant is have a circle around your revision letters. No mention of circle to text scale/font size or anything. The size of the triangle or circle DOES change based on the size of the text inside it as I said above.

I do see your issue though in that the scale of a triangle to the text is smaller than the scale of the circle to text. We always use triangles here as I have found that to be more of the "norm". As a triangle represents the greek "delta" which means to "change".

 

The real problem is not Autodesk its that lack of a "complete" industry standard for revision symbols. However yes Autodesk could tighten up the scale of circle to text (and hexagon symbol too). The triangle and box are much more proportionate. 

 

 



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Message 8 of 20
binsar_z
in reply to: mcgyvr

Hi Lark,

I have tagged this issue solved as Daren suggested to use our own triangle symbol, although exactly it is not fully satisfied.

 

@Mcgyvr,

Better you show (print screen or recorded screen) how do you solve this through style, as I still can't found which place in the style should be change to cover this issue. Your help will be appreciated.

 

Thank you.

 

Tag.png

 

Message 9 of 20
mcgyvr
in reply to: binsar_z

binsar,

Thats the correct spot.. However looking at your image the triangle rev symbol scale looks off compared to what I get...

 

Now trying it myself I see that the smaller you make the text the greater the scale between font size and symbol size. I've always just used .125" text and the triangle looks "properly" scaled to me.

So yes something is not exactly right there and Autodesk should look into it. However I wouldn't put anything smaller than .125" text for a rev symbol anyways as anything less is too small to read when printed.

Oh and it gets even worse when you have more than 1 rev letter. Yuck.. yes this could use some improvement Autodesk. Yes you meet the intent of the standard but it would be nice if you refined this a bit.



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Message 10 of 20
DRoam
in reply to: Daren.Lawrence


@Daren.Lawrence wrote:

... your best bet is to define your own symbol in your template(s) and use this triangle size for your rev tags.


I realize this is an old thread, but I'm using Revision Tags and the triangle is much larger than it needs to be. I came across this thead and the quote above, but I'm not finding how to do what @Daren.Lawrence describes. Is this really possible?

 

 

See the following image of my revison tag. The black is how big the triangle is. The red triangle I drew in manually and it's how big I'd like it to be.

Revison tag size.jpg

Message 11 of 20
Daren.Lawrence
in reply to: DRoam

Hi DRoam, It's absolutely possible. I've attached a video showing hopefully all the details of the post: the text size in the styles determining the revision tag size, the fact that you can make your own symbols and insert them in/add a leader as needed and basically how it was created via editing the symbol sketch and finally how to save it as a template with that symbol saved into the template for easy insertion into the drawing file. I hope that helps! Daren


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MFG Support - Inventor
Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 12 of 20
DRoam
in reply to: Daren.Lawrence

Hi Daren, thanks for the info! However I don't see a video attachment or link. Am I missing something or did it get left out?

Message 13 of 20
DRoam
in reply to: Daren.Lawrence

Never mind, I re-read your posts and realized you're talking about creating a custom Sketch Symbol as opposed to modifying the symbol used by an actual Revision Tag.

 

This isn't ideal at all because if I use the "Sheet Revision" property to fill in the annotation, then it will change to the latest revision which is wrong. But if I make it a prompted entry then I have to fill it in for every tag that I create. This method requires way more clicks and pokes on the keyboard than an actual Revision Tag. Would be really nice if we could just specify the tag size or define a custom sketched symbol for the revision tag itself.

 

But thanks for the info, this method will hopefully work even though it's more time-consuming.

Message 14 of 20
Daren.Lawrence
in reply to: DRoam

No problem. I see the mp4 may have been too large. Let's try the swf version of it which can be opened in IE if you have the right codec, Adobe shockwave player, or some other media formats. It's a much smaller file than the mp4 so it should upload to this forum... -Daren


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Product Support Specialist
MFG Support - Inventor
Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 15 of 20

Precisely. I used a prompted entry for the text, a text height of .125, called it "X" and got prompted, made my triangle .25 in height, circumscribed around a circle that I could throw away, added a point half-way up the triangle for adding a leader extension that I set to a grip point for that purpose. Then it's just a matter of saving the drawing file with the sketched symbol in it as a template file.


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MFG Support - Inventor
Autodesk, Inc.


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Message 16 of 20

Definitely not a proper fix.

 

Still a very real issue of not being able to scale the native revision tag symbol.


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Message 17 of 20


@MechMachineMan wrote:

Definitely not a proper fix.

 

Still a very real issue of not being able to scale the native revision tag symbol.


Agreed, here's an idea station idea, that needs some support:

 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideas/user-sizable-revision-tags/idi-p/4418265

 

 

* and I'm going to mark this post as a "solution" to push it to the top of the thread, so future readers who find this in a search might see it

Message 18 of 20

Thanks, Curtis. That should gather some steam. Every Kudo on that link he posted counts. +1 from me 🙂

 

-Daren



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Message 19 of 20
paul.mcnam
in reply to: Daren.Lawrence

several years on, and inventor still not getting the basics right. poor form

upvoted the suggestion. Are they waiting to get to 100??

Message 20 of 20
johnsonshiue
in reply to: paul.mcnam

Hi Paul,

 

Indeed, it is disappointing to see a request not implemented for a long time. The truth is there are many other highly requested ideas been implemented over the years. If possible, please vote for the idea so it will get ranked higher.

Many thanks!



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