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blair
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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-29-2013 09:45 PM in reply to: JDMather

You may want to check the technical spec's, all of the 3dConnexion products show USB connection.

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-30-2013 01:32 AM in reply to: blair

It looks like I misinterpreted 3D Connection’s representation of the Space Navigator.  It is simply a puck-like device that provides the ability to manipulate 3D images.  At least in the way 3D Connections represented it there was no data cord shown.  Please notice the blue ring at the midpoint of the Navigator.  It seems to glow, so I had assumed it had an LED and a button size battery to provide enough power to send data to the graphics card.

 

The specifications are very unclear about how this device is powered.  It would be a lot less confusing if 3D Connection would provide enough information to those with interest in their products.

 

I did come to understand that a cord is part of the Space Navigator, but no thanks to 3D Connection.  An interested user put a YouTube demo on the Internet that shows the cord:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKBYFtO2X4w

 

I was asked if all my questions had been answered, which evidently they were not, and so this is a final post.  I do have great interest in this so please excuse my lack of familiarity which could be reduced by better representations by 3D Connection on how their devices work.  I have looked at all the videos available so far and it appears the issue of corded/uncorded is hidden for marketing reasons.  I did direct a question about data cords to 3D Connections and their answer was that all of their devices have data cords “at this time”, though I’ve NEVER seen an image of a Space Navigator with an attached cord on their website, but then none of their products specify there is a data cord.

 

All of our devices are currently USB Wired cable.

We donot have any wireless devices at this time.”

 

The specs for the Space Pilot Pro list the following:

 

Minimum System Requirements

 

  • Windows XP Professional SP2 (x86), Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
  • Windows Vista (all editions)
  • Windows 7 (all editions)
  • Linux Redhat Enterprise WS 4, SuSE Linux 9.3
  • Sun Solaris 8 (SPARC), Sun Solaris 10 (x64)
  • Microsoft® Outlook® 2003 or later required on host PC for accessing email, tasks and calendar information on LCD.
  • USB port

I missed this previously.  It could mean a USB requirement to plug in a data pickup device using RF frequency however suggested by no images showing data cords.

 

So far all have firmly stated that their products only operate in conjunction with a mouse.  I believe that a further development effort on the part of 3D Connections should make an additional mouse unnecessary, but that’s just me, so I’ll subordinate my opinions to those who have used these devices and answered this topic for now.  I happen to have an Apple iPod shuffle that is charged via USB with a small integrated battery which can produce music for more than 8 hours, so I don’t find producing a wireless device to be an insurmountable technical achievement.  By taking the time to evaluate these products it looks like the Space Navigator is the better choice rather than those devices with all the bells and whistles since the objective is to reduce  time to completion.

 

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-30-2013 01:36 AM in reply to: WORKSTATIONresearch

My reply was to JD Mather, not Blair.

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Message 34 of 37 (131 Views)

Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-30-2013 04:04 AM in reply to: WORKSTATIONresearch

The blue LEDs are driven by power from the USB port. The screen on the more advanced model is driven by power from the USB port.

 

I don't know how I would use the functionality provided if it wasn't 2-handed.
The basic idea is that I am now working 2-handed.  Manipulation of the model with one hand and selection of program function tools simultaneously with the other hand.  Ambidextrious effort.  Half the wrist motion moved to the other hand.  Less repetitive stress.

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Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-30-2013 04:51 AM in reply to: WORKSTATIONresearch

All of them have blue lights to let you know they are wiorking and I also suspect just to be pretty.

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Message 36 of 37 (120 Views)

Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-30-2013 05:17 AM in reply to: blair

Just throwing my hat in the ring here..

 

I have a MX Revolution Mouse,Wireless Keyboard, a Space Pilot,, and a Razer Nostromo..

The Keyboard could be replaced by the Nostromo theoretically, as well as the mouse to some degree, I suppose, although admittedly, I got the Nostromo as a gift, hooked it up, and havent really played with it much. I do once in awhile, but havent found i was comfortable enough with it to be productive. When I get time, I will have to slog through the programming of the keys, etc, and see how it works with Inventor.There are alot of ways you could program each of the 18 or so buttons, but there is a learning curve getting used to what you have programmed. Its was developed for gaming so I am not sure how it will work for IV. Some have used it with AutoCAD, and like it alot.

 

I dont use any of the keys on the Space Pilot except for "Fit" to get my model back on the screen after it shoots off into space or something, etc. I have tried getting used to using the keys, but just havent been able to do it. Using the Space Pilot, mouse, keyboard combo has worked out the best for me.

I have used Space Pilot for awhile now and find it impossible to work without one. I have one at home as well that I use with my laptop, along with a wireless mouse. It really does increase your productivity, and is useful for other programs as someone mentioned.

 

The Space Navigator  is good for traveling, etc, isnt too big. (Try lugging around a Space Pilot..lol). Also, if memory serves, the Navigator has a weighted base so it doesnt move around when you are using it. The USB cord makes it a great weapon when you feel like bouncing something hard off of an annoying coworker's head. The cord allows you to really wind up before throwing , as well as retrieve it and try again if you happen to miss the frist time.

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Message 37 of 37 (107 Views)

Re: Best mouse for navigating large IV assemblies

04-30-2013 07:06 AM in reply to: riff62

riff62 wrote:

Just throwing my hat in the ring here..

 

I have a MX Revolution Mouse,Wireless Keyboard, a Space Pilot,, and a Razer Nostromo..

The Keyboard could be replaced by the Nostromo theoretically, as well as the mouse to some degree, I suppose, although admittedly, I got the Nostromo as a gift, hooked it up, and havent really played with it much. I do once in awhile, but havent found i was comfortable enough with it to be productive. When I get time, I will have to slog through the programming of the keys, etc, and see how it works with Inventor.There are alot of ways you could program each of the 18 or so buttons, but there is a learning curve getting used to what you have programmed. Its was developed for gaming so I am not sure how it will work for IV. Some have used it with AutoCAD, and like it alot.

 

I dont use any of the keys on the Space Pilot except for "Fit" to get my model back on the screen after it shoots off into space or something, etc. I have tried getting used to using the keys, but just havent been able to do it. Using the Space Pilot, mouse, keyboard combo has worked out the best for me.

I have used Space Pilot for awhile now and find it impossible to work without one. I have one at home as well that I use with my laptop, along with a wireless mouse. It really does increase your productivity, and is useful for other programs as someone mentioned.

 

The Space Navigator  is good for traveling, etc, isnt too big. (Try lugging around a Space Pilot..lol). Also, if memory serves, the Navigator has a weighted base so it doesnt move around when you are using it. The USB cord makes it a great weapon when you feel like bouncing something hard off of an annoying coworker's head. The cord allows you to really wind up before throwing , as well as retrieve it and try again if you happen to miss the frist time.

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Give the function keys on that Nostromo another look, at least for use in the drawing environment.

 

I've got a Razer keyboard, and I've got macros programmed for a bunch of the common notes that I use in the drawing environment.  Unfortunately I don't have a separate bank of keys like I had on my old G15, or like you've got on the Nostromo, but right now I've got F1-F5 programmed for SYM, REF, TYP, ° & Ø, respectively.  There's a bunch of others that I'd put in there if I had all the extra keys still.


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