User inerface, why reinvent the wheel?

[Anonymous]

I am using the MDT and the IV now for 9 years for quite complicated
mechanical designs (1000 parts and more) For me the ease of user interface
is very, very, VERY important. So:

1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I can
in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my big
machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain.
It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't have
it. SW has it also.

2. Why IV is the only application (at least I know) that after "Save As" you
stay in the "old" file? Normally using "Save As" I want to modify the new
file and not the old one.

3. Why in IV I cannot copy the dimension features, to and from, one
dimension to one or many other dimensions?

4. Why in IV I cannot copy hole features from existing one?

5. Why it took 6 releases to get the Zoom at cursor?

6. Why I cannot know the location of the CG relative to a point defined by
me??

7. Why, in drawing, I cannot SIMPLY (point and click) select the parts that
I want to see in drawing. Now documenting the process of buildup of my
machine based on main assembly is practically impossible.

8. Why the cursor always highlights something?

9. Why I cannot osnap directly to whatever I want?

10. Why in IV I don't have analysis tools?

In MDT all the above is much, much simpler!! So why to reinvent the wheel?
AutoDesk, you have it all in house.

Regards,
Michael

[Anonymous]

See comments below:

Michael Levkovitch wrote:

>I am using the MDT and the IV now for 9 years for quite complicated
>mechanical designs (1000 parts and more) For me the ease of user interface
>is very, very, VERY important. So:
>
>1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I can
>in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my big
>machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain!!!
>It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't have
>it. SW has it also.
>
The little dot in the middle of the Orbit Cursor can be moved above the
point you want to orbit around then click.

>
>2. Why IV is the only application (at least I know) that after "Save As" you
>stay in the "old" file? Normally using "Save As" I want to modify the new
>file and not the old one.
>
IV is trying to protect the integrety of your and others assemblies.
 When you do a SaveAs, the open file and the saved file are the same.
 The difference between them in the filename. If you were working with
a design team and SaveAs changed the name of the part/assembly, it could
have drastic effects on the rest of the design team's assemblies.

>
>3. Why in IV I cannot copy the dimension features, to and from, one
>dimension to one or many other dimensions?
>
Not sure what you are asking here; you can reference one or many
dimensions by just clicking on them in responese to the edit dimension
box. You can have older dimensions refer to newer ones and can import
dimensions from other parts / assemblies. This can also be done using
the parameters dialog. In addition, you have full use of placing
formulas in dimensions as well as adding tolerances.

>
>4. Why in IV I cannot copy hole features from existing one?
>
Have you tried Copy / Paste? Works for me

>
>5. Why it took 6 releases to get the Zoom at cursor
>
Until it appeared, I don't recall anyone ever asking for it.

>
>6. Why I cannot know the location of the CG relative to a point defined by
>me??
>
>7. Why, in drawing, I cannot SIMPLY (point and click) select the parts that
>I want to see in drawing. Now documenting the process of buildup of my
>machine based on main assembly is practically impossible.
>
You need to set your selection filter to Part, then you can select them
in IDWs

>
>8. Why the cursor always highlights something?
>
As opposed to AutoCAD / MDT with running osnaps on often trying to snap
to the wrong thing. Inventor is supports both pre and post select and
is attempting to give you visual feedback at all times about what you
will select if you pick something. I believe you are there to create
content, hence the expectation is that you will be picking stuff. If
you don't want it to highlight, hit the orbit button. This will suspend
the highlighting.

>
>9. Why I cannot osnap directly to whatever I want?
>
In sketch mode, Inventor is giving you feedback about what it is going
to connect to. This is similar to the osnaps in AutoCAD/MDT. The
difference is that when you place a point, it merges the new point with
existing ones creating a hard connection between the sketch entities.
 Watch the cursor closely and you will see that Inventor is actually
telling you what it is going to apply when you click. If it is not what
you want, move a little and perhaps it will give you a different option.
 If all you want is an unconstrained point, hold down the Ctrl key and
all but "coincident" will be disabled.

>
>10. Why in IV I don't have analysis tools?
>
>In MDT all the above is much, much simpler!! So why to reinvent the wheel?
>AutoDesk, you have it all in house.
>
As one who used MDT since it was called Designer and wrote thousands of
lines of code enhancing AutoCAD and MDT, I don't share the same
perspective. IMHO Inventor is much easier to use.

>
>Regards,
>Michael
>
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Michael,
I second all your complaints and will add some:
- Why is there no double click to zoom all
- Why is there no MMB+ctrl to rotate, MMB+shift to zoom
- Why does zoom/all in idw not zoom/all, but leave a broad margin
- Why is the graphics slower from release to release
This very same complaints took several releases to get worked into MDT, and
int the competition.
How long will it take until we see these in IV?

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria

[Anonymous]

Charles,
I know and respect your opinion.
Unfortunately, you give your strong vote to something many others out there
think different about. Please take it as a fact that very many user only
monitor this group, without doing any posting, due to lack of time or due to
lack of English knowledge. So it is not true that the opinion of the few
great, well educated stars here represent the average of all the estimated
200.000 users of IV.

Charles, in some points of Michaels post you didn't quite get the point, I
believe:
1. Maintain Z while rotate is a great tool in MDT, and it's missing in IV.
The little dot in the orbit cursor is a first substitute for to get a new
rotation point, but nothing more.
5. The zoom around cursor location was requested zillions of times here, now
we have it, OK. The other zoom/rotate/pan/zoom all commands every other
modeler out there has available on the MMB we will see soon, hopefully.
8. This "feature" is the greatest hindrance during everyday work I've ever
seen. Until now, I've not heard of any sense or usefulness of it, nor seen
anybody who liked it. Basically it drops the - already very low - graphic
speed of IV by a factor of 10, so really huge files are almost unworkable.
It took several years of developement of the competition until they bult in
this tiny little switch to switch it off.

I think, Michael is very right in most of his points - Why does Adesk try to
reinvent the wheel, and not look over the fence and take what's already fine
in other programs (MDT included)?

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria

[Anonymous]

Michael:

I'm with Charles on the ease of use issue and I'm glad he directed you
to the IV equivalent or reasoning for some of the IV quirks. I really
liked, and still like, AutoCAD, but there are few things I miss about it.

As for your points:

 >> 2. Why IV is the only application (at least I know) that after "Save
 >> As" you
 >> stay in the "old" file? Normally using "Save As" I want to modify
the new
 >> file and not the old one.

I agree with you. I absolutely detest the lack of the 'Save As'. No
doubt, from a programming point of view, there are issues with this, but
as a user "I HATE IT! I HATE IT! I HATE IT!". I've worked with IV
since May of 2000 and I can't get my head around this one. Just
yesterday I lost half an hour of work re-creating a part because I
thought I'd done a Save As.

Now there is a partial solution. If you go to Drew's web site:

http://www.mymcad.com/

Click on Inventor > Inventor Tips & Tricks > Nifty Routines (50) and select:

Make Part Indepenent (5012)

There's a neat routine that allows you to click on a part in an
assembly, run this routine and it will do a 'SaveAs'. Not only does it
copy the selected part to a new file, it replaces the selection within
the assembly.

It's a real gem and has saved me from having to repair my wall (from
having thrown my monitor through it).

 >> 4. Why in IV I cannot copy hole features from existing one?

A solution here is to again go to Drew's site. On the home page, about
the middle of the left column, there's a free utility called IV holes.

It lets you do neat things like selecting a counterbored hole for a
5/16" hex socket cap screw and it looks up the diameters and depths for
you. It is cutomizable and may be useful to you.

 >> 5. Why it took 6 releases to get the Zoom at cursor
 >>
 > Until it appeared, I don't recall anyone ever asking for it.

Sorry to contradict Charles, but I'd been whining (as in posting on this
newsgroup's predecessor) about this for quite a while and am truly
thankful it's been adopted. I'm hoping that with release 7, IV will
adopt the "Double-Click the wheel to Zoom All".

Richard

[Anonymous]

Charles

A few points I disagree with... that is what makes the world go around
See embedded.


"Charles Bliss" wrote in message
news:3DDF7D7F.8080304@cbliss.com...

> >2. Why IV is the only application (at least I know) that after "Save As"
you
> >stay in the "old" file? Normally using "Save As" I want to modify the new
> >file and not the old one.
> >
> IV is trying to protect the integrety of your and others assemblies.
> When you do a SaveAs, the open file and the saved file are the same.
> The difference between them in the filename. If you were working with
> a design team and SaveAs changed the name of the part/assembly, it could
> have drastic effects on the rest of the design team's assemblies.

That may be true for you, but there are many many people that don't work in
environments like you do. Many of us work alone, or with no project sharing,
and many of those people would prefer SaveAs. The point is they could have
easily done both.

> >
> >3. Why in IV I cannot copy the dimension features, to and from, one
> >dimension to one or many other dimensions?
> >
> Not sure what you are asking here; you can reference one or many
> dimensions by just clicking on them in responese to the edit dimension
> box. You can have older dimensions refer to newer ones and can import
> dimensions from other parts / assemblies. This can also be done using
> the parameters dialog. In addition, you have full use of placing
> formulas in dimensions as well as adding tolerances.

I believe he is talking about IDW dimensions and a paint type of tool.
Something many have complained about.

> >
> >5. Why it took 6 releases to get the Zoom at cursor
> >
> Until it appeared, I don't recall anyone ever asking for it.

I don't think they added this for Gary It was customers asking that
brought it about... I remember seeing it many times on the NG, and prefer it
myself. I am also one of the many that is waiting for them to come around
and make double MMB zoom extents.
>
> >
> >8. Why the cursor always highlights something?
> >
> As opposed to AutoCAD / MDT with running osnaps on often trying to snap
> to the wrong thing. Inventor is supports both pre and post select and
> is attempting to give you visual feedback at all times about what you
> will select if you pick something. I believe you are there to create
> content, hence the expectation is that you will be picking stuff. If
> you don't want it to highlight, hit the orbit button. This will suspend
> the highlighting.

I am in Leo's camp on this one. It causes more problems than it solves.

>
> >
> >9. Why I cannot osnap directly to whatever I want?
> >
> In sketch mode, Inventor is giving you feedback about what it is going
> to connect to. This is similar to the osnaps in AutoCAD/MDT. The
> difference is that when you place a point, it merges the new point with
> existing ones creating a hard connection between the sketch entities.
> Watch the cursor closely and you will see that Inventor is actually
> telling you what it is going to apply when you click. If it is not what
> you want, move a little and perhaps it will give you a different option.
> If all you want is an unconstrained point, hold down the Ctrl key and
> all but "coincident" will be disabled.

Inventor is getting better, by adding the middle snap, but I still miss some
of the others like Quadrant snaps


> >In MDT all the above is much, much simpler!! So why to reinvent the
wheel?
> >AutoDesk, you have it all in house.
> >
> As one who used MDT since it was called Designer and wrote thousands of
> lines of code enhancing AutoCAD and MDT, I don't share the same
> perspective. IMHO Inventor is much easier to use.
>
I have also used MDT since it was called Designer, and while I don't think
it was easier, I do think it was a lot more flexible and allowed you to work
the way you wanted a little easier. If something didn't work there was
almost always a way to workaround it, or a simple lisp to automate it, but
in the past that hasn't been true in Inventor... It is getting better
though, and currently there is very little I need to go back to MDT/Acad
for.

--
Kent Keller
Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

[Anonymous]

I agree with most of your responses. No doubt I missed on the zoom to
cursor, I just don't remember it being asked for. As a person who uses
a spaceball, even with laptop, I may be less sensitive to some of the
zoom stuff and I think I misunderstood what he was asking for with the
ZAxis rotate.

The highlighting drives me nuts as well but the real issue (correct me
if I'm wrong) is the hit on performance. How would you expect a
preselect mechanism to work? A simple Orbit, pan or zoom turns it off.
 I just wish they would treat a SpaceBall move the same.

I also wish they would look at some of the interface things others have
done. Another one I would like to see is a combination of the Right and
Left button. A couple of other products switch into orbit when they are
used together. Given the Inventor responds to the up click, it seems
like it should be possible for it to be programed to look at two down
clicks and do something different (like orbit).

Why does Autodesk try to "Reinvent the Wheel"? It is called Inventor
isn't it?

Every voice is important!

[Anonymous]

Charles Bliss wrote:
> Why does Autodesk try to "Reinvent the Wheel"? It is called Inventor
> isn't it?

Right on Charles. By starting with a clean slate WRT AutoCAD, IV has
done a lot of great things. As a user it can be frustrating to make the
transition from the AutoCAD methods but once that's behind you, you
don't miss much.

On the other hand, AutoCAD is a mature product that has a lot going for
it and I wish the IV team would be a bit more receptive to some of the
ideas.

Richard

[Anonymous]

Charles,
The Z-axis up has been once provided by a ex-employee of Adesk in some
add-on. I liked it so very much, that I asked the senior programmer of the
maker of Spacemouse wheter he could bring this into the driver. Upon next
release, Adesk implemented this into the core graphic of MDT. Really great,
when you are doing work that should stand upright on screen (like
house/furniture/plants), but maybe not so important when you design
complicated cast/molded parts. You have to try it out in MDT to understand
the difference. And I find it even more important when running the
spacemouse(ball), when you don't have these extra goodis the orbit circle
provides.

The highlight issue is just a whole separate story - if only Adesk could
explain their ideas behind this mess. I could continue the whole evening
about all the negative impact it brings....

I really love many sides and facettes of IV, and am looking forward to the
time where it does me better than MDT.

Have a nice weekend!
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria


"Charles Bliss" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3DDFA42E.7020502@cbliss.com...
> I agree with most of your responses. No doubt I missed on the zoom to
> cursor, I just don't remember it being asked for. As a person who uses
> a spaceball, even with laptop, I may be less sensitive to some of the
> zoom stuff and I think I misunderstood what he was asking for with the
> ZAxis rotate.
>
> The highlighting drives me nuts as well but the real issue (correct me
> if I'm wrong) is the hit on performance. How would you expect a
> preselect mechanism to work? A simple Orbit, pan or zoom turns it off.
> I just wish they would treat a SpaceBall move the same.
>
> I also wish they would look at some of the interface things others have
> done. Another one I would like to see is a combination of the Right and
> Left button. A couple of other products switch into orbit when they are
> used together. Given the Inventor responds to the up click, it seems
> like it should be possible for it to be programed to look at two down
> clicks and do something different (like orbit).
>
> Why does Autodesk try to "Reinvent the Wheel"? It is called Inventor
> isn't it?
>
> Every voice is important!
>
> Leo Laimer wrote:
>
> >Charles,
> >I know and respect your opinion.
> >Unfortunately, you give your strong vote to something many others out
there
> >think different about. Please take it as a fact that very many user only
> >monitor this group, without doing any posting, due to lack of time or due
to
> >lack of English knowledge. So it is not true that the opinion of the few
> >great, well educated stars here represent the average of all the
estimated
> >200.000 users of IV.
> >
> >Charles, in some points of Michaels post you didn't quite get the point,
I
> >believe:
> >1. Maintain Z while rotate is a great tool in MDT, and it's missing in
IV.
> >The little dot in the orbit cursor is a first substitute for to get a new
> >rotation point, but nothing more.
> >5. The zoom around cursor location was requested zillions of times here,
now
> >we have it, OK. The other zoom/rotate/pan/zoom all commands every other
> >modeler out there has available on the MMB we will see soon, hopefully.
> >8. This "feature" is the greatest hindrance during everyday work I've
ever
> >seen. Until now, I've not heard of any sense or usefulness of it, nor
seen
> >anybody who liked it. Basically it drops the - already very low - graphic
> >speed of IV by a factor of 10, so really huge files are almost
unworkable.
> >It took several years of developement of the competition until they bult
in
> >this tiny little switch to switch it off.
> >
> >I think, Michael is very right in most of his points - Why does Adesk try
to
> >reinvent the wheel, and not look over the fence and take what's already
fine
> >in other programs (MDT included)?
> >
> >Regards,
> >--
> >Leo Laimer
> >Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
> >A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
> >
> >
> >
> >"Charles Bliss" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> >news:3DDF7D7F.8080304@cbliss.com...
> >
> >
> >>See comments below:
> >>
> >>Michael Levkovitch wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I am using the MDT and the IV now for 9 years for quite complicated
> >>>mechanical designs (1000 parts and more) For me the ease of user
> >>>
> >>>
> >interface
> >
> >
> >>>is very, very, VERY important. So:
> >>>
> >>>1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I
> >>>
> >>>
> >can
> >
> >
> >>>in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my big
> >>>machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain in the
> >>>
> >>>
> >ass!!.
> >
> >
> >>>It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't
> >>>
> >>>
> >have
> >
> >
> >>>it. SW has it also.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>The little dot in the middle of the Orbit Cursor can be moved above the
> >>point you want to orbit around then click.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>2. Why IV is the only application (at least I know) that after "Save
As"
> >>>
> >>>
> >you
> >
> >
> >>>stay in the "old" file? Normally using "Save As" I want to modify the
new
> >>>file and not the old one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>IV is trying to protect the integrety of your and others assemblies.
> >> When you do a SaveAs, the open file and the saved file are the same.
> >> The difference between them in the filename. If you were working with
> >>a design team and SaveAs changed the name of the part/assembly, it could
> >>have drastic effects on the rest of the design team's assemblies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>3. Why in IV I cannot copy the dimension features, to and from, one
> >>>dimension to one or many other dimensions?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Not sure what you are asking here; you can reference one or many
> >>dimensions by just clicking on them in responese to the edit dimension
> >>box. You can have older dimensions refer to newer ones and can import
> >>dimensions from other parts / assemblies. This can also be done using
> >>the parameters dialog. In addition, you have full use of placing
> >>formulas in dimensions as well as adding tolerances.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>4. Why in IV I cannot copy hole features from existing one?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Have you tried Copy / Paste? Works for me
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>5. Why it took 6 releases to get the Zoom at cursor
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Until it appeared, I don't recall anyone ever asking for it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>6. Why I cannot know the location of the CG relative to a point defined
> >>>
> >>>
> >by
> >
> >
> >>>me??
> >>>
> >>>7. Why, in drawing, I cannot SIMPLY (point and click) select the parts
> >>>
> >>>
> >that
> >
> >
> >>>I want to see in drawing. Now documenting the process of buildup of my
> >>>machine based on main assembly is practically impossible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You need to set your selection filter to Part, then you can select them
> >>in IDWs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>8. Why the cursor always highlights something?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>As opposed to AutoCAD / MDT with running osnaps on often trying to snap
> >>to the wrong thing. Inventor is supports both pre and post select and
> >>is attempting to give you visual feedback at all times about what you
> >>will select if you pick something. I believe you are there to create
> >>content, hence the expectation is that you will be picking stuff. If
> >>you don't want it to highlight, hit the orbit button. This will suspend
> >>the highlighting.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>9. Why I cannot osnap directly to whatever I want?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>In sketch mode, Inventor is giving you feedback about what it is going
> >>to connect to. This is similar to the osnaps in AutoCAD/MDT. The
> >>difference is that when you place a point, it merges the new point with
> >>existing ones creating a hard connection between the sketch entities.
> >> Watch the cursor closely and you will see that Inventor is actually
> >>telling you what it is going to apply when you click. If it is not what
> >>you want, move a little and perhaps it will give you a different option.
> >> If all you want is an unconstrained point, hold down the Ctrl key and
> >>all but "coincident" will be disabled.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>10. Why in IV I don't have analysis tools?
> >>>
> >>>In MDT all the above is much, much simpler!! So why to reinvent the
> >>>
> >>>
> >wheel?
> >
> >
> >>>AutoDesk, you have it all in house.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>As one who used MDT since it was called Designer and wrote thousands of
> >>lines of code enhancing AutoCAD and MDT, I don't share the same
> >>perspective. IMHO Inventor is much easier to use.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Anonymous]

>7. Why, in drawing, I cannot SIMPLY (point and click) select the parts
that
> >I want to see in drawing. Now documenting the process of buildup of my
> >machine based on main assembly is practically impossible.
> >
> You need to set your selection filter to Part, then you can select them
> in IDWs

I think he wants the inverse of his selection however. IOW in an IDW, pick 5
parts to keep, turn off rest. IMHO i think michael should investigate Design
Views and make views based on them as its much more manageable.

PS. Did anyone realize that as of R6, design views are actually permanently
applied to a drawing view (Yay!!) so that if that design view changes, the
drawing view changes/updates without the need to reapply the modified design
view.

- drew

[Anonymous]

Or... he should investigate using IPN's to setup the configurations he
wants.

"Drew Fulford" wrote in message
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>
> I think he wants the inverse of his selection however. IOW in an IDW, pick
5
> parts to keep, turn off rest. IMHO i think michael should investigate
Design
> Views and make views based on them as its much more manageable.

[Anonymous]

Others answered most of your other questions, but I think this one was
overlooked.

Michael, I may be mis interpretting your question/description but have you
tried rotating by clicking on the orbit axis? These will rotate only about
a single axis.

"Michael Levkovitch" wrote in message
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> 1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I can
> in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my big
> machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain.
> It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't have
> it. SW has it also.

[Anonymous]

Ron,
Suppose you are mis-interpreting the Maintain Z-axis. This is more than just
rotate around a single axis. Best is, to fire up MDT, model a very simple
house, call orbit command, RMB/other options->check "maintain z-axis" (or
whatever it's called in English), then use the orbit tool.
The vertical outlines of your house will always remain vertical, like they
hopefully always be in real life.

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria


"Ron Crain" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:E2689627067662E768F0787033CDEB03@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Others answered most of your other questions, but I think this one was
> overlooked.
>
> Michael, I may be mis interpretting your question/description but have you
> tried rotating by clicking on the orbit axis? These will rotate only
about
> a single axis.
>
> "Michael Levkovitch" wrote in message
> news:5627D46B80448FDEBBE2D49D2EB265BC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>
> > 1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I
can
> > in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my big
> > machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain.
> > It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't
have
> > it. SW has it also.
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

This can be done with the orbit command Leo. Pull the model by selecting
the little orbit icon on one of the quadrants of the recticule.
"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
news:89AF595669F6A86743372DF09492FE3E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ron,
> Suppose you are mis-interpreting the Maintain Z-axis. This is more than
just
> rotate around a single axis. Best is, to fire up MDT, model a very simple
> house, call orbit command, RMB/other options->check "maintain z-axis" (or
> whatever it's called in English), then use the orbit tool.
> The vertical outlines of your house will always remain vertical, like they
> hopefully always be in real life.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Leo Laimer
> Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
> A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>
> "Ron Crain" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:E2689627067662E768F0787033CDEB03@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Others answered most of your other questions, but I think this one was
> > overlooked.
> >
> > Michael, I may be mis interpretting your question/description but have
you
> > tried rotating by clicking on the orbit axis? These will rotate only
> about
> > a single axis.
> >
> > "Michael Levkovitch" wrote in message
> > news:5627D46B80448FDEBBE2D49D2EB265BC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> > > 1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I
> can
> > > in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my
big
> > > machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain.
> > > It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't
> have
> > > it. SW has it also.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Yes, but the "Z" is still a psuedo-screen-Z-axis using the reticule.

Leo is talking about having the model rotate about its TRUE Z axis no
matter how the model is viewed on screen.... one could be viewing the
model from the RH Top Iso (area) and see the model spin on its true Z
axis. With the reticule, the model (viewed as mentioned) would spin on
some arbitrary axis defined by the "camera" location.

The 3D controllers will do this to a certain extent if the
Rotation/Translation modes are tweaked to maintain a Dominant Axis with
no translation. However, this becomes the same as using the reticule
quadrants and basically cripples the functionality of the 3D controller.

IMO, we need the iTeam to concentrate on more pressing issues. Some web
part viewers have this functionality (as does MDT) and it has never
caused me to become so excited that I felt the need to beg for its
inclusion in IV.

QBZ



"Jimmy Carr" wrote in message
news:BFD084F9B3C6706C904E57D372E13007@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> This can be done with the orbit command Leo. Pull the model by
selecting
> the little orbit icon on one of the quadrants of the recticule.

> "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
> news:89AF595669F6A86743372DF09492FE3E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Ron,
> > Suppose you are mis-interpreting the Maintain Z-axis. This is more
than
> just
> > rotate around a single axis. Best is, to fire up MDT, model a very
simple
> > house, call orbit command, RMB/other options->check "maintain
z-axis" (or
> > whatever it's called in English), then use the orbit tool.
> > The vertical outlines of your house will always remain vertical,
like they
> > hopefully always be in real life.

[Anonymous]

OH, that sounds cool.

"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
news:89AF595669F6A86743372DF09492FE3E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ron,
> Suppose you are mis-interpreting the Maintain Z-axis. This is more than
just
> rotate around a single axis. Best is, to fire up MDT, model a very simple
> house, call orbit command, RMB/other options->check "maintain z-axis" (or
> whatever it's called in English), then use the orbit tool.
> The vertical outlines of your house will always remain vertical, like they
> hopefully always be in real life.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Leo Laimer
> Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
> A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>
> "Ron Crain" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:E2689627067662E768F0787033CDEB03@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Others answered most of your other questions, but I think this one was
> > overlooked.
> >
> > Michael, I may be mis interpretting your question/description but have
you
> > tried rotating by clicking on the orbit axis? These will rotate only
> about
> > a single axis.
> >
> > "Michael Levkovitch" wrote in message
> > news:5627D46B80448FDEBBE2D49D2EB265BC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> > > 1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I
> can
> > > in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my
big
> > > machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain.
> > > It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't
> have
> > > it. SW has it also.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Point taken and I agree with your closing statement.

"Quinn Zander" wrote in message
news:C8C2B265DED1B3898D377837B9B68663@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Yes, but the "Z" is still a psuedo-screen-Z-axis using the reticule.
>
> Leo is talking about having the model rotate about its TRUE Z axis no
> matter how the model is viewed on screen.... one could be viewing the
> model from the RH Top Iso (area) and see the model spin on its true Z
> axis. With the reticule, the model (viewed as mentioned) would spin on
> some arbitrary axis defined by the "camera" location.
>
> The 3D controllers will do this to a certain extent if the
> Rotation/Translation modes are tweaked to maintain a Dominant Axis with
> no translation. However, this becomes the same as using the reticule
> quadrants and basically cripples the functionality of the 3D controller.
>
> IMO, we need the iTeam to concentrate on more pressing issues. Some web
> part viewers have this functionality (as does MDT) and it has never
> caused me to become so excited that I felt the need to beg for its
> inclusion in IV.
>
> QBZ
>
>
>
> "Jimmy Carr" wrote in message
> news:BFD084F9B3C6706C904E57D372E13007@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > This can be done with the orbit command Leo. Pull the model by
> selecting
> > the little orbit icon on one of the quadrants of the recticule.
>
> > "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
> > news:89AF595669F6A86743372DF09492FE3E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Ron,
> > > Suppose you are mis-interpreting the Maintain Z-axis. This is more
> than
> > just
> > > rotate around a single axis. Best is, to fire up MDT, model a very
> simple
> > > house, call orbit command, RMB/other options->check "maintain
> z-axis" (or
> > > whatever it's called in English), then use the orbit tool.
> > > The vertical outlines of your house will always remain vertical,
> like they
> > > hopefully always be in real life.
>
>
>

[guzie]

Actually the zoom at cursor is a hinderance for large assemblies in my opinion. The reason being is that the scroll wheel also handles part selection via the select other tool. Now lets say you have a large assembly and you want to zoom to the point around your cursor. That cursor happens to be already hovering over parts in the assembly that you want to zoom to. Using the scroll wheel at that point does not invoke the zoom tool it kicks off select other. To get the zoom at cursor to work in that instance you need to move the cursor, bring it back to that point and quickly scroll the wheel before the (1) sec. default delay kicks in and the select other tool takes over the scroll wheel. In prior releases you just pan the view to center the image and you can roll the wheel with the cursor way to the side of the screen and off of parts without having your zoom image shifting to follow it. I have disabled this worthless new addition in the registry on our systems at work and my own one at home. As long as I can kill it in the registry you guys can have that worthless feature.

[Anonymous]

Actually I think most people turn the 1 second delay to OFF and don't have
this problem.

--
Kent Keller
Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

"guzie" wrote in message
news:f126d00.16@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

quickly scroll the wheel before the (1) sec. default delay kicks in and the
select other tool takes over the scroll wheel. In prior releases you just
pan the view to center the image and you can roll the wheel with the cursor
way to the side of the screen and off of parts without having your zoom
image shifting to follow it. I have disabled this worthless new addition in
the registry on our systems at work and my own one at home. As long as I can
kill it in the registry you guys can have that worthless feature.

[Anonymous]

"...then use the orbit tool.
The vertical outlines of your house will always remain vertical, like they
hopefully always be in real life."

Hope the walls on my house will refrain orbiting, vertical or otherwise! ...
I get dizzy easily.
~Larry



"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
news:89AF595669F6A86743372DF09492FE3E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ron,
> Suppose you are mis-interpreting the Maintain Z-axis. This is more than
just
> rotate around a single axis. Best is, to fire up MDT, model a very simple
> house, call orbit command, RMB/other options->check "maintain z-axis" (or
> whatever it's called in English), then use the orbit tool.
> The vertical outlines of your house will always remain vertical, like they
> hopefully always be in real life.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Leo Laimer
> Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
> A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>
> "Ron Crain" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:E2689627067662E768F0787033CDEB03@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Others answered most of your other questions, but I think this one was
> > overlooked.
> >
> > Michael, I may be mis interpretting your question/description but have
you
> > tried rotating by clicking on the orbit axis? These will rotate only
> about
> > a single axis.
> >
> > "Michael Levkovitch" wrote in message
> > news:5627D46B80448FDEBBE2D49D2EB265BC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> > > 1. Why in IV I cannot rotate (THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED COMMAND!!) as I
> can
> > > in MDT using the "Maintain Z" option? In MDT I can rotate freely my
big
> > > machine ALL AROUND while keeping it vertical. In IV it is pain.
> > > It makes me crazy. I think that today IV is the only one that doesn't
> have
> > > it. SW has it also.
> >
> >
> >
>
>