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Orest_iy
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Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

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11-21-2013 07:36 AM

I need templates with different Part List settings in the same project.

The Part List is set either for frame construction or for regular assembly.

I cannot use them both in templates due to Style conflict and should alter

the Part List table manually.

Is it possible to bypass this somehow?

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Re: Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

11-21-2013 08:47 AM in reply to: Orest_iy
If it's drawing, then you will need to edit one of the parts lists as it's parameters are pulled from the Style Manager.
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11-21-2013 08:50 AM in reply to: blair
Trying to think if you can select a different Style to use on the fly. Insert Parts List, select properties and change the Style. Never tried it before, hard enough trying to keep each page of a drawing package looking consistent as it is. :-)
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Re: Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

11-21-2013 09:19 AM in reply to: blair

Hmm,

Does not work this way.

If I have several Standarts available in the Style Editor and switch them before applying the Part List table the active

style overwrites the previous so they become the same. I do not know it is working "as designed"...

http://screencast.com/t/u0zUQoCu2

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11-21-2013 10:07 AM in reply to: Orest_iy
As designed, I thought it might work. Guess it's manually make the changes....
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Re : Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

11-25-2013 05:15 AM in reply to: Orest_iy

Dear Orest_iy,

It should be possible to "play" with different styles. In your video you select 2 times the same BOM.

Try the following workaround:

1) Create (duplicate) a new “Standard”

In drawing >> Manage >> Style Editor >> Standard >> Select the standard to duplicate (in your example OREST (ISO) >> Right click >> New style >> enter new name (for example: "Frame BOM OREST (ISO)") >> OK

2) Create and update a new “Part list style”

Expand "Part list" section >> Select the part list you want to duplicate (in your example "Part List (ISO)" ) >> Right click "New Style" >> enter new name (for example "Frame Part List (ISO)") >> select "add to standard" >> ok

>>Select the new part list style >> update the part style (add columns, new title,...) >> save

3) Create a new “object default”

Expand "Object default" section >> select the corresponding object default you want to duplicate >> >> Right click "New Style" >> enter a new name for example "Frame Object Default (ISO)" >> select "add to standard" >> ok

4) Assign new part list style to new object default:

Select the new "Frame Object Default (ISO)" style >> in the list select "Parts List" >> click the field column Part List (ISO) of the line "Part List">> on the drop down list select the new part list style created at step 2) ("Frame Part List (ISO)") >> save

5) Assign the new object default to the new standard

Select and active the new standard created at step 1) "Frame BOM OREST (ISO) >> tab "object default >> “Active Object Default drop” down list => select the new Object Default created at step 3) (Frame Object Default (ISO)") >> save.

Remark: verify that the initial standard (OREST (ISO)) has the initial Object Default assigned (Object Default (ISO)). If not change it and save.

6) in “style and standard editor” >> active (double click or right click on the initial standard (OREST (ISO)) >> create a view >> generate and place a first parts list

7) repeat step 6) but select the new standard ” created at step 1 (Frame BOM OREST (ISO)).

=> the both parts list should be inserted

I hope that will help

Best Regards



Nicolas Bourquin
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Re : Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

11-25-2013 10:00 AM in reply to: Nicolas.Bourquin

Nicolas,

 

Yes it is working,

Thank yoy for great advice

Orest

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Re : Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

11-25-2013 01:59 PM in reply to: Nicolas.Bourquin

Nicolas,

 

Unfortunatelly it is working only within one drawing.

Inventor fails to save more than one custom standard to Library.

http://screencast.com/t/O06Obdq4so

 

As you can see from video the two custom standards are working well

and saved to library and saved to template.

But template fails to keep both custom Standarts.

 

Somehow if I save template when OREST (ISO) FRAME is active

it working well and template keep both custom Standards.

But I wish my OREST (ISO) would be active by Default.

Seems it is not “as designed”?

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Re : Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

11-26-2013 03:36 AM in reply to: Nicolas.Bourquin

Nicolas,

 

IDW Template does not keep Standards available to be purged.

For example I have an IDW I am planning to save as template.

In the IDW Style Editor I create a custom Style.

I save this Style to the Library.

Now this style is available in Local document and in All Styles.

I make the Default Style as Active.

The custom Style is available in local document and available to be purged.

I save this IDW as template.

When I use this template I get it without my custom Style.

Template is saved with only not purge able styles.

If I open template and add my custom Style and save it the result is the same.

The IDW file keeps the custom style upon a save but IDW template does not.

 

I have IDW with my custom Style which is not available to be purged when it is not active.

I do not know what makes it not purge able. I used it for several genarations of Inventor.

This custom Style is kept by template when it is saved when custom Style is not active.

So it seems like if I would make my custom styles as not purge able it would resolve this problem.

But I cannot find the way of making the custom style not purge able if it available in general.

Please advise.

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Re : Need templates with different Part List settings in same project

11-29-2013 07:40 AM in reply to: Orest_iy

Dear Orest_iY,

Thank you for your additional comments.

As indicated as this link, starting from 2012 , on open, Inventor automatically purges all unused styles from Inventor documents if the style matches a style also present in the style library. http://beinginventive.typepad.com/being-inventive/2011/05/how-to-preserve-cached-styles-in-inventor-...

The normal process would be to save in the style "library"all the personal "standard" styles present in the template and not only inside the document. At this time, even if the template is purged, the user just needs to open the style editor, set the filter to "all styles" and to save these personal styles in the document.

Other workarounds would be => don't save the standard in the style library and keep it only locally inside the template. Or in the template drawing after having activated the unused standard style(s) to keep inside the document, generate an object (even if it will never be used) for example a "Sketch symbol" => at this time the standard being in use, should not be purged.

I hope that will help

Best Regards

 



Nicolas Bourquin

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