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Neil_Cross
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Materials - Eh!

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07-20-2012 03:09 AM

So I migrated our Inventor 2012 style library into this stupid 'new' adsklib format, got that done, there they are working fine.  I have rights to edit it, I know this because I made it, now someone wants me to add a new material into the library... apparently:

 

"The library file is currently locked, multiple users have the same library file open, to unlock a library quit all applications on all computers that are currently using that library"

 

I beg your pardon, so each time I want to add a new material, I have to tell 120+ very busy engineers to close down their CAD applications, stop working completely whilst I add a new material??

 

Do me a favour ffs.

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Rory_M
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Message 2 of 21 (735 Views)

Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 04:15 AM in reply to: Neil_Cross

You're right, it's a real issue for us too and we've only got 4 licenses!

 

See also discussions about the issue here:

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/2013-Materials-editor/td-p/3427407

 

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Rory

 

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jletcher
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Message 3 of 21 (714 Views)

Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 05:36 AM in reply to: Neil_Cross

LOL yeah Autodesk going the wrong way. Inventor now has become the most hated with the release of 2012 and 2013. I have talked with people about Inventor and they would like to go with it but I showed them that they would have to get 2013. I did a demo for them with 2013 and they are going to look into other software now or just stay with autocad.

 

Autodesk you really messed up..you need to go back to interface of 2011 and take out all this crap you added this is a software for mechanical engineers not photoshop.......

 

 

The death of Inventor is soon to come...


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Mark_Flayler
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Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 05:40 AM in reply to: jletcher

Well, you don't have to get 2013 if you buy it with subscription...

 

I agree on this Material Editor, I see the reason in the big picture, but it is hurting the core modeling program.

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jletcher
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Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 05:47 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

Thats not what I was told plus it took the place I am setting up now 6 weeks to get 2012 and when we called from the other place they told us they cannot go back to 2012 because he has no seats of Inventor he was just autocad. I even talked to that guys boss he said the same thing.... So now we are going to have a pro-e wildfire guy come in see whats up with that.

 

Some of us just want to design Inventor has taken the fun out of it. And if any one knows me I loved Inventor even with the little bugs but start adding crap interfaces more clicks have to shut down the world to add hot roll material.

 

I use to eat sleep and drink it now I sh&t it.


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Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 06:11 AM in reply to: Neil_Cross

The way subscription works is if you purchase a license of 2013 on subs you have rights to use three versions back from that release and continue to use that release back to 2010 as long as you stay on subscription.  When you drop subscription you have to go back to the most current version you purchased.  That is why some users can still use MDT2009 legally since they originally purchased 2009 on subs.

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jletcher
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Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 06:27 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

Well not what we was told plus he does not want subscription because right now he does not like the way Autodesk is going. See I let him read some of the threads and some blogs of inventor lovers that now are looking at wildfire. And he did not like what he read. See I let my clients know everything thats why the like me I don't lie to sell a product they have a job to do and Inventor is turning more into a movie maker than a mechanical soulution.

 

Sorry to say but I will no longer praise Inventor in fact I almost cry when I tell people to go look at wildfire I am waiting for my seat I have messed with it when it 1st came out so I will have to see what they done before I go a push that to clients. as of right now most of my clients are looking to drop the subscription. One has $26,000 a year in subscriptions and after the release of 2013 and 2012 they are now looking into wildfire.

 

 Autodesk mess up big time with this crap 2012 and really crappy 2013 My phone has not stopped ringing It helps me but also makes me sad.

 

One guy had some down time so they load 2013 withiout me the next day I had to go remove them all and re-install 2012. And lucky I have backups for all my clients so it only cost him 10 engineers to go home with pay 2 days of down time. and $2500.00 for me.. total cost  $7,000.00 he is not happy with autodesk right now. and wants me to look into wildfire for him as well.


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bespenship
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Message 8 of 21 (668 Views)

Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 02:05 PM in reply to: Neil_Cross

We are aware of this issue with the new materials library being locked by anyone accessing the library and the difficulty it causes in making updates to the library. We are actively working on changing the behavior.

 

Neil - there are a couple of things you can do to minimize the difficulty in making library updates. You may already be doing this:

 

1) With 120 or so active engineers, if you are geographically distributed across time zones, the best option may be to have two copies of your materials library. You can make updates in the offline version of the library, and turn on (or roll versions) of the updated library on a scheduled basis.

 

2) Another option is to collect changes and integrate them all when Engineers are offline, which may be difficult or impossible with the number of active engineers.

 

As noted, there were significant changes around working with materials in 2013. We've created some expanded documentation to provide more guidance on the new materials and appearances tools. Please take a look and provide feedback on the documentation usefulness.

We are listening and we are comitted to you and all of our customers in having Inventor be your mechanical design software of choice. Please continue to give us your feedback about how we can improve our products - we take your feedback seriously and it does influence or direction and decisions.

 

-Brent

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Neil_Cross
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Message 9 of 21 (666 Views)

Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 02:07 PM in reply to: jletcher

$26,000 a year subscription fees? Multiply that by 20 and you're getting warm to what our subscription fees are.  Regardless, yes I had a good old moan about the materials... frankly it's dreadful, and who at Autodesk thought an industrial engineering design package needed a suite of textures including floral yellow wallpaper and mosaic bathroom tiles should be frog marched out the door immediately.  But it's still a good package, irrespective of all that garbage, the bad ill-concieved ideas, it gets a job done.  Believe me I've seen hundreds of companies and how they all use Inventor, I've seen the successful clients, and I've seen the bad side who whinge and moan about it not working and being slow/rubbish/unreliable/buggy etc.  And there's an undisputed fact that can be proven in each and every case, if a user knows their stuff, is switched on, is trained properly and has their eye on the ball, Inventor works like a dream.  If the user is negative, uninterested, lazy, ignores prompts, then it'll fall flat on its backside just like anything else would.

The talk up of Wildfire is off topic, and to move a company off Inventor to another CAD package over a few trivial issues is not only crazy but infintely more badly thought out than putting up with Inventors niggles.  Most places will have oodles of legacy data, to suddenly swap platform across to Wildfire is a massive gamble... then you have to think about training up staff, get over the learning curve, how do you work with the legacy data whilst still knocking jobs out the door, and then there's something else worth mentioning... Pro-E is full of holes and clangers.  Take a sneak peak for yourself http://www.ptc.com/community/proewf/issues.htm

 

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Neil_Cross
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Re: Materials - Eh!

07-20-2012 02:16 PM in reply to: bespenship

Brent - Parden my suspicious sounding response, and not that I don't appreciate the response, but you're speaking on behalf of Autodesk there but you're not signed into the forums as an Autodesk employee... and that isn't official Autodesk material you're attaching there.  Autodesk are very strict on corporate branding on documents released into the public domain, that definately isn't official...? What's the status with that.

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