Inventor Seminar

[Anonymous]

I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. If I had
not viewed the demo's that are online and seen for myself how useful
some of the features are of IV I would have walked out half way through
the demo. The system froze three times, when the salesman/presenter gave
his talk 2 slides into his slide show presentation his low battery alarm
starts going off and it sounds like a cell phone so people are looking
around trying to see who has there phone on and not answering!! Very
distracting and this lasted for the next 20 minutes. The guy doing the
demo was from AutoDesk and couldn't get the jaw of a chuck to move out
to the new dimension that had come from a pretend meeting....so he goes
to the Streamline site and downloads the files and starts working on
them the browser froze and the viewer with it. So he had to kill that
start again finally he got it to work and then he saved to the
Streamline site and then went there and opened what was supposed to be
the file that he just sent there but the date was off by at least two
weeks because it still said Oct. in the file date. So he went on to tell
us that the Streamline site was so intelligent that it already had made
the changes to the affected drawings and put them in titleblocked files
so he opens one of these (dated back in Oct.) and walla there are all
the changes he made. SHAZAM and GOLLY (in my best Goober voice)!

The best part was at the end of the whole presentation when they where
going to draw for a copy of Inventor 6, well they decided to also
include the afternoon seminar in the draw as well and the winner will be
notified!!!! This is like the priest winning the raffle of the new.


I'm sure inventor is a or soon to be a great product but this demo was
not convincing at all.


Regards, Rich B

[Anonymous]

Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet, are
just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out on
the Internet somewhere. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.
Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your
solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve) isn't
heavily web-based, then you're just not with it. IMO It's a colossal waste
of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream. Maybe in 25 years or so when the
Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure tool,
but not now.

Walt


"Rich B" wrote in message
news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)

[Anonymous]

I and a few others were interviewed for an article on data collaboration
(you can read it on my bio page) and the agreement was that it's a good idea
but the infrastructure is not there. Even if I have a T1 connection and
Inventor and all the bells and whistles, Joe's Machine shop is using AutoCAD
13, has a 36k modem and is using AOL dialup. One day it's time will come
but for now it's a technology that can mainly be used internally or with
clients/vendors that have levels of technology similar to your own..

m two cents...

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
...sleep is for the weak..
-----------------------------------------
"Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet, are
> just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out on
> the Internet somewhere. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
> into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.
> Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your
> solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve)
isn't
> heavily web-based, then you're just not with it. IMO It's a colossal
waste
> of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream. Maybe in 25 years or so when
the
> Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure tool,
> but not now.
>
> Walt
>
>
> "Rich B" wrote in message
> news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)
>
>

[Anonymous]

Exactly, it is a colossal waste. It is a continuing drone of answering the
questions that no-body is asking. Which normally is their prerogative, but
with far more pressing matters at hand for the average user, it makes Adesk
seem increasingly irrelevant and out of touch with the user base.

Oh well....

"Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet, are
> just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out on
> the Internet somewhere. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
> into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.
> Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your
> solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve)
isn't
> heavily web-based, then you're just not with it. IMO It's a colossal
waste
> of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream. Maybe in 25 years or so when
the
> Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure tool,
> but not now.
>
> Walt
>
>
> "Rich B" wrote in message
> news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)
>
>

[Anonymous]

Likewise, I view most of it as an extension of an e-tech buzz word dynasty
that has crumbled. It's not meat and potatoes. If it worked well I think it
would be a great an add-on capability that could be purchased if I had a use
for it, but I'd prefer more beef in the CAD system that I have purchased
instead.

That's a pretty interesting account of the presentation. Where was it held?
How do they do that? Smoke and mirrors.... 8~)

Jeff
======================

"Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
.........
Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your
solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve) isn't
heavily web-based, then you're just not with it.
..............

[Anonymous]

I believe most software these days has too many dependencies. It seems that
(from my experience, and from reading this newsgroup) many problems come
from the software we're trying to use depending on other programs to be
working exactly as expected. Initially, I couldn't use IV6 help, because it
is dependant on a browser being configured exactly right. What was wrong
with the Windows help system that we used for years? It seemed to finally
perfected. Paint? What if I don't want the .BMP filetype set to Paint? Volo
view? Excel? The list goes on and on. Why would we also want to be
dependant on the internet being "up" and exactly configured? Sometimes I
long for the days when all I had to do was place a few lines in the
autoexec.bat and config.sys and the software ran like a champ. However, I
wouldn't give up the internet for other vital functions (downloading part
data, email, etc...). Probably collaborative development time would be
better spent perfecting that aspect of our needs.

Keith

"Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet, are
> just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out on
> the Internet somewhere. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
> into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.
> Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your
> solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve)
isn't
> heavily web-based, then you're just not with it. IMO It's a colossal
waste
> of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream. Maybe in 25 years or so when
the
> Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure tool,
> but not now.
>
> Walt
>
>
> "Rich B" wrote in message
> news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)
>
>

[Anonymous]

Is there some other way to produce dog-n-pony shows?
~Larry

[Snip]>
> How do they do that? Smoke and mirrors.... 8~)
>
> Jeff
> ======================
[Snip]>
>
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Work on the web, not me, but...
I have to jump in here and announce my complete love of Streamline.
What do I use it for? I put models of new designs up there and my
customers who aren't cad literate can rotate, zoom, change visibility of
parts - make markups. A great tool for communicating with people not in
your building, town, or state.


"Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet, are
> just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out on
> the Internet somewhere. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
> into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.
> Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your
> solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve)
isn't
> heavily web-based, then you're just not with it. IMO It's a colossal
waste
> of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream. Maybe in 25 years or so when
the
> Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure tool,
> but not now.
>
> Walt
>
>
> "Rich B" wrote in message
> news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)
>
>

[Anonymous]

So it's a cadphone right?

- drew

--


Drew Fulford, B.A.Sc. Systems Engineer
Solid Caddgroup Inc, Burlington, Ontario
Phone: (905) 331-9670 Fax: (905) 331-7280

Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
Check out my MDT & Inventor FAQ @ http://www.mymcad.com/

"Ron Crain" wrote in message
news:A1D63453E24E8B0FBAA8D729E1223536@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Work on the web, not me, but...
> I have to jump in here and announce my complete love of Streamline.
> What do I use it for? I put models of new designs up there and my
> customers who aren't cad literate can rotate, zoom, change visibility of
> parts - make markups. A great tool for communicating with people not in
> your building, town, or state.
>
>
> "Walt Jaquith" wrote in message
> news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet,
are
> > just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out
on
> > the Internet somewhere. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
> > into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.
> > Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your
> > solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve)
> isn't
> > heavily web-based, then you're just not with it. IMO It's a colossal
> waste
> > of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream. Maybe in 25 years or so when
> the
> > Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure
tool,
> > but not now.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> >
> > "Rich B" wrote in message
> > news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

.... state or country.  I know some engineers who used it to collaborate
with manufacturing companies in Taiwan.  Saved time and more importantly
money.  



I am a technology freak but believe it is important to use appropriate technology
for appropriate tasks.  I wouldn't try to use Streamline as a PDM system
or vis versa.



As to the poor guy doing the demo, he has to be depressed.  I was party to
one today with a PROfessional Engineering Software and like all good demos
there were some wonderful excuses.



The court was sloped, the sun was in my eyes, my shoes came untied.  We have
all been there.



Ron Crain wrote:

cite="midA1D63453E24E8B0FBAA8D729E1223536@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">

Work on the web, not me, but...

I have to jump in here and announce my complete love of Streamline.

What do I use it for?   I put models of new designs up there and my

customers who aren't cad literate can rotate, zoom, change visibility of

parts - make markups.  A great tool for communicating with people not in

your building, town, or state.





"Walt Jaquith" <waltj@harristhermal.com> wrote in message

news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

  

Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet, are

just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out on

the Internet somewhere.  Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run

into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.

Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your

solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve)

    

isn't

  

heavily web-based, then you're just not with it.  IMO It's a colossal

    

waste

  

of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream.  Maybe in 25 years or so when

    

the

  

Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure tool,

but not now.



Walt





"Rich B" <dontbotherme@work.com> wrote in message

news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

    

I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)

      

[Anonymous]

I have no desire to go back to the Dos Extender days. You couldn't hardly
run AutoCAD unless you bought a add-on Video driver. No thanks I am glad
those days are gone. 8^)

I think all this internet stuff depends on a couple of things... the size of
your company...the bigger the more likely you are to want to leverage the
internet and collaboration things. Also smaller company's that deal
directly with a number of customers and suppliers I could see it being
beneficial.

For me.... I only deal with a couple of suppliers and since we are a OEM we
don't really deal with customers much. 8^)

--
Kent Keller
Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm

"Keith Bender" wrote in message

Sometimes I
> long for the days when all I had to do was place a few lines in the
> autoexec.bat and config.sys and the software ran like a champ.

[Anonymous]

Charles I think I was part of that same demo (if it
was the webbased conference call).  We were put on hold several times while
the "video" locked up (a black screen).  Too bad they didn't turn the video
off quick enough when the BSoD appeared... <g>

--
Sean Dotson, PE

href="http://www.sdotson.com">http://www.sdotson.com
...sleep is for the
weak..
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"Charles Bliss" <
href="mailto:cbliss@cbliss.com">cbliss@cbliss.com> wrote in message
href="news:3DCB2F7F.8090704@cbliss.com">news:3DCB2F7F.8090704@cbliss.com...

....
state or country.  I know some engineers who used it to collaborate with
manufacturing companies in Taiwan.  Saved time and more importantly
money.  

I am a technology freak but believe it is important to
use appropriate technology for appropriate tasks.  I wouldn't try to use
Streamline as a PDM system or vis versa.

As to the poor guy doing the
demo, he has to be depressed.  I was party to one today with a
PROfessional Engineering Software and like all good demos there were some
wonderful excuses.

The court was sloped, the sun was in my eyes, my
shoes came untied.  We have all been there.

@Anonymous Crain wrote:

type="cite">

Work on the web, not me, but...

I have to jump in here and announce my complete love of Streamline.

What do I use it for?   I put models of new designs up there and my

customers who aren't cad literate can rotate, zoom, change visibility of

parts - make markups.  A great tool for communicating with people not in

your building, town, or state.





"Walt Jaquith" <waltj@harristhermal.com> wrote in message

news:897940A476F0DA6228BD41DBD4787874@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

  

Autodesk, and every other software company on the face of the planet, are

just absolutely in love with this idea that all our stuff should be out on

the Internet somewhere.  Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run

into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea.

Unfortunately, the marketing types are apparently convinced that if your

solution (to whatever problem it is you happen to be trying to solve)

    

isn't

  

heavily web-based, then you're just not with it.  IMO It's a colossal

    

waste

  

of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream.  Maybe in 25 years or so when

    

the

  

Internet has settled down into a more stable, predictable and secure tool,

but not now.



Walt





"Rich B" <dontbotherme@work.com> wrote in message

news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

    

I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. (snip)

      

[Anonymous]

"Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea."

"IMO It's a colossal waste of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream."

Walt,

How large (or small) is your company? I'm not arguing that the tools
currently provided for online collaboration are the best, but this whole
internet idea is no waste of time. How would you propose to share and
maintain large amounts of data between other divisions, customers, and
suppliers that are located on 3 continents? There is a real-world need for
it - I see it everyday. If your design is being manufactured in another
country and you make a design change that will affect next day's build, you
can't exactly toss a CD in the mail.

From what I've seen with Streamline, I think the idea is great. It needs
plugins to handle data of other CAD systems other than just Autodesk's. We
use Inventor along with 3 other major CAD systems, we can't sign up for a
solution that can only display 25% of our data, nor do we want to use
Streamline for certain data and ABC company's version of it for other data,
etc. Sure, designers love to see feature enhancements in their CAD releases,
but the web collaboration end of things cannot be ignored.

Andrew
Pipe-Dreamin' 🙂

[Anonymous]

I just got back from a IV 6.0 road show call it what you like, I was
expecting little an nothing, so I was happily surprised when It included
speakers on FEA, PDM,CADCAM,and WALKTHRU visualisation and IV 6.0 of course.
Knowing very little about these add on programs very interesting, although
there was a sales man slant, that was totally offset by the content. There
were seven of us and seven of them! It introduced the products then there
was time to explore more at detail if required. I was not pressed to buy and
generally informal chat. I was interested to see the IV engineer at work and
the way he worked but I can say you just don't do it that way every day when
you have designed a model from scratch. I did learn some tricks that I have
not heard mentioned here and although I have seen the option several times,
just don't know how to use it ..............I do now. Sure all you guys use
it every day. Considering the area covered seven bods is real small and I
and one other were the only ones using IV from what I can gather and two
others on MTD. I understand that if the bulk of your work has been in 2D and
you data is too then there is a reluctance to convert to 3D, and of course
every Tom Dick and Harry's got Auto cad for free so why part with dosh.

--
Laurence,
--

"Rich B" wrote in message
news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. If I had
> not viewed the demo's that are online and seen for myself how useful
> some of the features are of IV I would have walked out half way through
> the demo. The system froze three times, when the salesman/presenter gave
> his talk 2 slides into his slide show presentation his low battery alarm
> starts going off and it sounds like a cell phone so people are looking
> around trying to see who has there phone on and not answering!! Very
> distracting and this lasted for the next 20 minutes. The guy doing the
> demo was from AutoDesk and couldn't get the jaw of a chuck to move out
> to the new dimension that had come from a pretend meeting....so he goes
> to the Streamline site and downloads the files and starts working on
> them the browser froze and the viewer with it. So he had to kill that
> start again finally he got it to work and then he saved to the
> Streamline site and then went there and opened what was supposed to be
> the file that he just sent there but the date was off by at least two
> weeks because it still said Oct. in the file date. So he went on to tell
> us that the Streamline site was so intelligent that it already had made
> the changes to the affected drawings and put them in titleblocked files
> so he opens one of these (dated back in Oct.) and walla there are all
> the changes he made. SHAZAM and GOLLY (in my best Goober voice)!
>
> The best part was at the end of the whole presentation when they where
> going to draw for a copy of Inventor 6, well they decided to also
> include the afternoon seminar in the draw as well and the winner will be
> notified!!!! This is like the priest winning the raffle of the new.
>
>
> I'm sure inventor is a or soon to be a great product but this demo was
> not convincing at all.
>
>
> Regards, Rich B
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

So... what are these tricks? C'mon spit it out.

--
Cory McConnell
BJ pipeline Inspection
"Laurence Yeandle" wrote in message
news:20A99B788181503C007DFF78758B16BD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I just got back from a IV 6.0 road show call it what you like, I was
> expecting little an nothing, so I was happily surprised when It included
> speakers on FEA, PDM,CADCAM,and WALKTHRU visualisation and IV 6.0 of
course.
> Knowing very little about these add on programs very interesting, although
> there was a sales man slant, that was totally offset by the content. There
> were seven of us and seven of them! It introduced the products then there
> was time to explore more at detail if required. I was not pressed to buy
and
> generally informal chat. I was interested to see the IV engineer at work
and
> the way he worked but I can say you just don't do it that way every day
when
> you have designed a model from scratch. I did learn some tricks that I
have
> not heard mentioned here and although I have seen the option several
times,
> just don't know how to use it ..............I do now. Sure all you guys
use
> it every day. Considering the area covered seven bods is real small and I
> and one other were the only ones using IV from what I can gather and two
> others on MTD. I understand that if the bulk of your work has been in 2D
and
> you data is too then there is a reluctance to convert to 3D, and of course
> every Tom Dick and Harry's got Auto cad for free so why part with dosh.
>
> --
> Laurence,
> --
>
> "Rich B" wrote in message
> news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. If I had
> > not viewed the demo's that are online and seen for myself how useful
> > some of the features are of IV I would have walked out half way through
> > the demo. The system froze three times, when the salesman/presenter gave
> > his talk 2 slides into his slide show presentation his low battery alarm
> > starts going off and it sounds like a cell phone so people are looking
> > around trying to see who has there phone on and not answering!! Very
> > distracting and this lasted for the next 20 minutes. The guy doing the
> > demo was from AutoDesk and couldn't get the jaw of a chuck to move out
> > to the new dimension that had come from a pretend meeting....so he goes
> > to the Streamline site and downloads the files and starts working on
> > them the browser froze and the viewer with it. So he had to kill that
> > start again finally he got it to work and then he saved to the
> > Streamline site and then went there and opened what was supposed to be
> > the file that he just sent there but the date was off by at least two
> > weeks because it still said Oct. in the file date. So he went on to tell
> > us that the Streamline site was so intelligent that it already had made
> > the changes to the affected drawings and put them in titleblocked files
> > so he opens one of these (dated back in Oct.) and walla there are all
> > the changes he made. SHAZAM and GOLLY (in my best Goober voice)!
> >
> > The best part was at the end of the whole presentation when they where
> > going to draw for a copy of Inventor 6, well they decided to also
> > include the afternoon seminar in the draw as well and the winner will be
> > notified!!!! This is like the priest winning the raffle of the new.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure inventor is a or soon to be a great product but this demo was
> > not convincing at all.
> >
> >
> > Regards, Rich B
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

He was working to fast for me to see most of the stuff, and as he was
working for the firm who interfaces between Autodesk UK and the UK sellers
of AutoDesk's products he must pretty clued up even if what he was showing
was for demo purposes. Open a file from a library of 2D stuff remove layers
of unneeded detail and insert the 2D straight in to an IV assembly
constraining the sketch to IV solids, well I do this several times a day
don't you? Moving subs in a assembly and get the pipes all to resize at a
clic of the mouse, great if it works ist time with adaptivity? Dropping a
part from web site straight on to a shaft using imates and auto aligns with
fixing holes just one clik of course? can you insert and align with one
clik? Much more all spiffing stuff, as I appeared to be the only one using
6.0 there the others could not of grasped how difficult this is in practice!
Also worked on parts in context of assembly with all parts opacity on? Is
this easy or was this for the benefits of the watchers, maybe some of you do
this? There again I know some only like to work on parts and not parts via
assemblies? The trick I learned was when placing a dimension, drop down box
and select show dims, click on an existing dim and bobs your uncle dimension
placed & associated with existing dim, wow. All of you know this of course,
I just couldn't find ref to this in help. Now that's a time saver, no wonder
I'm so slow. Demir Ali probably never heard of him.

--
Laurence,
--

"Cory McConnell" wrote in message
news:DD728079D600AF176171A8EA403AB869@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> So... what are these tricks? C'mon spit it out.
>
> --
> Cory McConnell

[Anonymous]

I think that Immersive Design's IPA can import the three other CAD
systems data and export to Streamline. As a matter of fact, I think you
can merge all the CAD systems data in IPA then export. I haven't tried
it but I think it is supposed to do it.

Andrew Pawelski wrote:

>"Maybe I'm just sheltered, but I have yet to run
>into an in-the-trenches user that didn't think this was a silly idea."
>
>"IMO It's a colossal waste of time and energy, chasing a pipe dream."
>
>Walt,
>
>How large (or small) is your company? I'm not arguing that the tools
>currently provided for online collaboration are the best, but this whole
>internet idea is no waste of time. How would you propose to share and
>maintain large amounts of data between other divisions, customers, and
>suppliers that are located on 3 continents? There is a real-world need for
>it - I see it everyday. If your design is being manufactured in another
>country and you make a design change that will affect next day's build, you
>can't exactly toss a CD in the mail.
>
>From what I've seen with Streamline, I think the idea is great. It needs
>plugins to handle data of other CAD systems other than just Autodesk's. We
>use Inventor along with 3 other major CAD systems, we can't sign up for a
>solution that can only display 25% of our data, nor do we want to use
>Streamline for certain data and ABC company's version of it for other data,
>etc. Sure, designers love to see feature enhancements in their CAD releases,
>but the web collaboration end of things cannot be ignored.
>
>Andrew
>Pipe-Dreamin' 🙂
>
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

I will give you a set of mostly new (useful) ones for R6. If you want
to create a plane normal to the end of a line, you could (in 5.3) just
pick the end of the line then click on the line. In R6, you can click
on the end of an arc or a spline and do the same thing. Now, put some
sketch points on the arc, line or spline, "finish" the sketch. You can
pick the sketch points and the sketch segment near it and have a
workplane generated normal to the segment at the sketch point. In
combination with the new repeat command, this makes doing lofted
surfaces very fast and easy (relatively).

For those who don't know about the repeat command, it is kind of buried.
Start the WorkPlane command and before clicking on anything, Right
Click and check Repeat Command. This is a persistent toggle. Once you
set it, it will remain set from session to session. It applies to Work
Geometry like planes, points and axis.

Cory McConnell wrote:

>So... what are these tricks? C'mon spit it out.
>
>--
>Cory McConnell
>BJ pipeline Inspection
>"Laurence Yeandle" wrote in message
>news:20A99B788181503C007DFF78758B16BD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>
>
>>I just got back from a IV 6.0 road show call it what you like, I was
>>expecting little an nothing, so I was happily surprised when It included
>>speakers on FEA, PDM,CADCAM,and WALKTHRU visualisation and IV 6.0 of
>>
>>
>course.
>
>
>>Knowing very little about these add on programs very interesting, although
>>there was a sales man slant, that was totally offset by the content. There
>>were seven of us and seven of them! It introduced the products then there
>>was time to explore more at detail if required. I was not pressed to buy
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>generally informal chat. I was interested to see the IV engineer at work
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>the way he worked but I can say you just don't do it that way every day
>>
>>
>when
>
>
>>you have designed a model from scratch. I did learn some tricks that I
>>
>>
>have
>
>
>>not heard mentioned here and although I have seen the option several
>>
>>
>times,
>
>
>>just don't know how to use it ..............I do now. Sure all you guys
>>
>>
>use
>
>
>>it every day. Considering the area covered seven bods is real small and I
>>and one other were the only ones using IV from what I can gather and two
>>others on MTD. I understand that if the bulk of your work has been in 2D
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>you data is too then there is a reluctance to convert to 3D, and of course
>>every Tom Dick and Harry's got Auto cad for free so why part with dosh.
>>
>>--
>>Laurence,
>>--
>>
>>"Rich B" wrote in message
>>news:A8380024F7AF4A099B9A8B0BBD424792@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>>
>>
>>>I just got back from a demonstration of IV 6 and Streamline. If I had
>>>not viewed the demo's that are online and seen for myself how useful
>>>some of the features are of IV I would have walked out half way through
>>>the demo. The system froze three times, when the salesman/presenter gave
>>>his talk 2 slides into his slide show presentation his low battery alarm
>>>starts going off and it sounds like a cell phone so people are looking
>>>around trying to see who has there phone on and not answering!! Very
>>>distracting and this lasted for the next 20 minutes. The guy doing the
>>>demo was from AutoDesk and couldn't get the jaw of a chuck to move out
>>>to the new dimension that had come from a pretend meeting....so he goes
>>>to the Streamline site and downloads the files and starts working on
>>>them the browser froze and the viewer with it. So he had to kill that
>>>start again finally he got it to work and then he saved to the
>>>Streamline site and then went there and opened what was supposed to be
>>>the file that he just sent there but the date was off by at least two
>>>weeks because it still said Oct. in the file date. So he went on to tell
>>>us that the Streamline site was so intelligent that it already had made
>>>the changes to the affected drawings and put them in titleblocked files
>>>so he opens one of these (dated back in Oct.) and walla there are all
>>>the changes he made. SHAZAM and GOLLY (in my best Goober voice)!
>>>
>>>The best part was at the end of the whole presentation when they where
>>>going to draw for a copy of Inventor 6, well they decided to also
>>>include the afternoon seminar in the draw as well and the winner will be
>>>notified!!!! This is like the priest winning the raffle of the new.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sure inventor is a or soon to be a great product but this demo was
>>>not convincing at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards, Rich B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Thank you, Charles!
=================

"Charles Bliss" wrote in message
news:3DCCBDA7.1030404@cbliss.com...
............
For those who don't know about the repeat command, it is kind of buried.
Start the WorkPlane command and before clicking on anything, Right
Click and check Repeat Command. This is a persistent toggle. Once you
set it, it will remain set from session to session. It applies to Work
Geometry like planes, points and axis.
................

[Anonymous]

I wish my stuff was that easy to put together.

--
Cory McConnell
BJ Pipeline Inspection
"Laurence Yeandle" wrote in message
news:2CDCA74E91154EFF18A9B380DAE0B2CE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> He was working to fast for me to see most of the stuff, and as he was
> working for the firm who interfaces between Autodesk UK and the UK sellers
> of AutoDesk's products he must pretty clued up even if what he was showing
> was for demo purposes. Open a file from a library of 2D stuff remove
layers
> of unneeded detail and insert the 2D straight in to an IV assembly
> constraining the sketch to IV solids, well I do this several times a day
> don't you? Moving subs in a assembly and get the pipes all to resize at a
> clic of the mouse, great if it works ist time with adaptivity? Dropping a
> part from web site straight on to a shaft using imates and auto aligns
with
> fixing holes just one clik of course? can you insert and align with one
> clik? Much more all spiffing stuff, as I appeared to be the only one using
> 6.0 there the others could not of grasped how difficult this is in
practice!
> Also worked on parts in context of assembly with all parts opacity on? Is
> this easy or was this for the benefits of the watchers, maybe some of you
do
> this? There again I know some only like to work on parts and not parts via
> assemblies? The trick I learned was when placing a dimension, drop down
box
> and select show dims, click on an existing dim and bobs your uncle
dimension
> placed & associated with existing dim, wow. All of you know this of
course,
> I just couldn't find ref to this in help. Now that's a time saver, no
wonder
> I'm so slow. Demir Ali probably never heard of him.
>
> --
> Laurence,
> --
>
> "Cory McConnell" wrote in message
> news:DD728079D600AF176171A8EA403AB869@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > So... what are these tricks? C'mon spit it out.
> >
> > --
> > Cory McConnell
>
>