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Holes in a in a rolled part / can't place fastener

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RUBE
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‎09-22-2003 01:08 AM
‎09-22-2003 01:08 AM

Holes in a in a rolled part / can't place fastener

see part in cf.
i have tried serval ways to do this part. when i go to assemble the bolts i have nothing to pick on the hole.
i have tried putting in planes and points but nothing.
how can i put a bolt in these holes? or do i need to make the part different and more labor intensive.

rube
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RUBE
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‎09-22-2003 04:30 AM
‎09-22-2003 04:30 AM

anyone have anything? Autodesk? why can't this be done
the hole is there but can't constrain to it. is this a bug or not? all these brains and no one wants to answer the questions that have to do with actual modeling. seems like people just want to answer the opinion related ones.
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 04:51 AM
‎09-22-2003 04:51 AM

See iCF in 5 minutes

 

Hope this is more or less what you were looking
for.

 

Rui


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anyone
have anything? Autodesk? why can't this be done
the hole is there but
can't constrain to it. is this a bug or not? all these brains and no one wants
to answer the questions that have to do with actual modeling. seems like
people just want to answer the opinion related ones.
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 04:51 AM
‎09-22-2003 04:51 AM

I put one in there also.  Move the EOP icon
above the Fold then put in a work axis.  Then simply use axis-axis mate
plus a tangent with desired offset.  Also less than 5 mins.


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See iCF in 5 minutes

 

Hope this is more or less what you were looking
for.

 

Rui


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
anyone
have anything? Autodesk? why can't this be done
the hole is there but
can't constrain to it. is this a bug or not? all these brains and no one
wants to answer the questions that have to do with actual modeling. seems
like people just want to answer the opinion related
ones.
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 05:10 AM
‎09-22-2003 05:10 AM

Only problem being; the axes don't follow the holes when you re-apply
the fold.
darvin

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:2B5CFF6234493884EBBA05FE3913B7DD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I put one in there also. Move the EOP icon above the Fold then put in
a work axis. Then simply use axis-axis mate plus a tangent with desired
offset. Also less than 5 mins.
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> "RuiF" wrote in message
news:B1DCC6ED30AF60C2CCD60F9353239294@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> See iCF in 5 minutes
>
> Hope this is more or less what you were looking for.
>
> Rui
> "RUBE" <1john@liftaloft.com> wrote in message
news:f18c511.0@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> anyone have anything? Autodesk? why can't this be done
> the hole is there but can't constrain to it. is this a bug or not?
all these brains and no one wants to answer the questions that have to
do with actual modeling. seems like people just want to answer the
opinion related ones.
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Anonymous
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‎09-22-2003 05:25 AM
‎09-22-2003 05:25 AM

Another attempt posted in CF

 

Neil

 


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anyone
have anything? Autodesk? why can't this be done
the hole is there but
can't constrain to it. is this a bug or not? all these brains and no one wants
to answer the questions that have to do with actual modeling. seems like
people just want to answer the opinion related ones.
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 05:30 AM
‎09-22-2003 05:30 AM

Odd, the ones nearest the axis are OK (the ones I added) but I see what you
mean. I'd say that's a bug..

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"darvinv" wrote in message
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> Only problem being; the axes don't follow the holes when you re-apply
> the fold.
> darvin
>
> "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> news:2B5CFF6234493884EBBA05FE3913B7DD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I put one in there also. Move the EOP icon above the Fold then put in
> a work axis. Then simply use axis-axis mate plus a tangent with desired
> offset. Also less than 5 mins.
> >
> > --
> > Sean Dotson, PE
> > http://www.sdotson.com
> > Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> > www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> > "RuiF" wrote in message
> news:B1DCC6ED30AF60C2CCD60F9353239294@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > See iCF in 5 minutes
> >
> > Hope this is more or less what you were looking for.
> >
> > Rui
> > "RUBE" <1john@liftaloft.com> wrote in message
> news:f18c511.0@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > anyone have anything? Autodesk? why can't this be done
> > the hole is there but can't constrain to it. is this a bug or not?
> all these brains and no one wants to answer the questions that have to
> do with actual modeling. seems like people just want to answer the
> opinion related ones.
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 06:03 AM
‎09-22-2003 06:03 AM

Neil

When I open yours I loose all the axis constraints. I can't quiet figure out how you were
using them either.

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"Neil Munro" wrote in message
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> Another attempt posted in CF
>
> Neil
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Anonymous
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‎09-22-2003 06:05 AM
‎09-22-2003 06:05 AM

I have to think of it as one (a bug). It was the first thing I tried
and nothing gets them to follow. I think the first one is so close to
the beginning of the fold that it just doesn't matter. Out at the other
end you sure can see it though. There's just no way I can find to get
anything to stick to those holes after a fold.
I even tried Assy features, thinking they might hold at that level,
but no joy.
darvin

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:F6F63FCEB47AF3EDEB25F583D2910D0F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Odd, the ones nearest the axis are OK (the ones I added) but I see
what you
> mean. I'd say that's a bug..
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> "darvinv" wrote in message
> news:951608C8AEB2025E06EE5B5AACBFB4CD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Only problem being; the axes don't follow the holes when you
re-apply
> > the fold.
> > darvin
> >
> > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> > news:2B5CFF6234493884EBBA05FE3913B7DD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I put one in there also. Move the EOP icon above the Fold then
put in
> > a work axis. Then simply use axis-axis mate plus a tangent with
desired
> > offset. Also less than 5 mins.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean Dotson, PE
> > > http://www.sdotson.com
> > > Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> > > www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -
> > > "RuiF" wrote in message
> > news:B1DCC6ED30AF60C2CCD60F9353239294@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > See iCF in 5 minutes
> > >
> > > Hope this is more or less what you were looking for.
> > >
> > > Rui
> > > "RUBE" <1john@liftaloft.com> wrote in message
> > news:f18c511.0@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > anyone have anything? Autodesk? why can't this be done
> > > the hole is there but can't constrain to it. is this a bug or
not?
> > all these brains and no one wants to answer the questions that have
to
> > do with actual modeling. seems like people just want to answer the
> > opinion related ones.
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 06:07 AM
‎09-22-2003 06:07 AM

I got the same errors.

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"Kent Keller" wrote in message
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> Neil
>
> When I open yours I loose all the axis constraints. I can't quiet figure
out how you were
> using them either.
>
> --
> Kent
> Assistant Moderator
> Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
>
> "Neil Munro" wrote in message
> news:042E1D7AF071E4BC71E280F07FCC6902@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Another attempt posted in CF
> >
> > Neil
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 06:15 AM
‎09-22-2003 06:15 AM

Hmmm, it opens fine for me. But, it's the same problem. Try recreting
the solution on one of the far end holes, no joy. I think it's either a
defect or a definciency.
darvin

"Kent Keller" wrote in message
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> Neil
>
> When I open yours I loose all the axis constraints. I can't quiet
figure out how you were
> using them either.
>
> --
> Kent
> Assistant Moderator
> Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
>
> "Neil Munro" wrote in message
> news:042E1D7AF071E4BC71E280F07FCC6902@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Another attempt posted in CF
> >
> > Neil
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 09:43 AM
‎09-22-2003 09:43 AM

Sorry, I was in a huge rush and the zip ended up with the wrong copy of the
strap part. I've posted a new one on CF. This one retains the fateners when
you change the fold feature. Fold is the oddball tool in IV, but even with
that, it should be easier to accomplish this.

Neil


"Kent Keller" wrote in message
news:EB2770FAF164DF49C9DB71F09F92BAB8@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Neil
>
> When I open yours I loose all the axis constraints. I can't quiet figure
out how you were
> using them either.
>
> --
> Kent
> Assistant Moderator
> Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
>
> "Neil Munro" wrote in message
> news:042E1D7AF071E4BC71E280F07FCC6902@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Another attempt posted in CF
> >
> > Neil
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 05:29 PM
‎09-22-2003 05:29 PM

See iCF.

 

Rui

 


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see
part in cf. have tried serval ways to do this part. when i go to assemble
the bolts i have nothing to pick on the hole. have tried putting in
planes and points but nothing. how can i put a bolt in these holes? or do
i need to make the part different and more labor intensive.

rube

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RUBE
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 09:14 PM
‎09-22-2003 09:14 PM

thanks all i will take a look at them all.
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RUBE
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 09:41 PM
‎09-22-2003 09:41 PM

I agree with dar. this is a bug and should be corrected or something. Rui i think would work but takes way longer than it should and i really hate doing workarounds. if the tool don't work i won't use it, that simple. what this is for is to hold curved polycarbonate sheet down on top of a canopy for airline stairs mounted on a f450. i have serval different lengths to do also and chaing only one or two dims and keep doing save as would be nice. thanks for you help
rube
www.liftaloft.com
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Anonymous
in reply to: RUBE
‎09-22-2003 10:24 PM
‎09-22-2003 10:24 PM

The fact that the axis doesn't follow the hole
after the fold is added is, IMO, coherent with a feature-based modeller like
IV:  features that come before are not affected by features that come
after. (If it could be an option, great).

 

What I DO consider a bug or, at best, missing
functionality, is the inability to define an axis on the hole center after it
has been folded.

 

At least, a point at the center of the hole should
be possible to (easily) define . (Maybe at the skecth level it would
work?)

 

That would allow quick definition of the
axes.

 

And if you could, as other programs can,
create an iFeature that could include work features and parts, quick assembly of
the bolts would be allowed.

 

For my part, I'll keep suggesting and
hopefully sometime (soon), Autodesk will look into including some of the
suggestions here.

 

On a similar note: AUTODESK pay attention. 
IMO, this newsgroup is the best I have seen, so take (more) advantage of
it.

 

Rui

 


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I
agree with dar. this is a bug and should be corrected or something. Rui i
think would work but takes way longer than it should and i really hate doing
workarounds. if the tool don't work i won't use it, that simple. what this is
for is to hold curved polycarbonate sheet down on top of a canopy for airline
stairs mounted on a f450. i have serval different lengths to do also and
chaing only one or two dims and keep doing save as would be nice. thanks for
you help
rube
www.liftaloft.com
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