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Can R6 do a flat of a flared horn?

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Message 1 of 19
Anonymous
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Can R6 do a flat of a flared horn?

The kind of flare you might find on a trombone, French horn etc.(not a cone)
Will R6 do a flat pattern of that? I think I already know the answer but I
might be surprised!

Thanks,

Albert (the guy without R6 loaded) but hoping
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Message 2 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Albert:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.

Richard
Message 3 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thanks Richard, that is the answer I expected but one can hope. I guess it
is a little complicated and even if it could give me what to do how would I
go about making one
"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...
> Albert:
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
> a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.
>
> Richard
>
Message 4 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

It is spun if you know what that is!
Ole

"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...
> Albert:
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
> a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.
>
> Richard
>
Message 5 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I saw them being made once. The horn section is divided into several
sections and wrapped and soldered. A lot of pounding takes place during
the process. I can't remember much more than that, but it was very
interesting.

--
Billy Hiebert
HIEBERT SCULPTURE WORKS
Small Part Injection Molding
http://www.hieberts.com

Albert Allen wrote:

> Thanks Richard, that is the answer I expected but one can hope. I guess it
> is a little complicated and even if it could give me what to do how would I
> go about making one
> "Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
> news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...
>
>>Albert:
>>
>>Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
>>a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>
>
Message 6 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Same way that cymbals are made I think.
"Ole Germer" wrote in message
news:53E875809EA3BC597C275ADF70BBE2B1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It is spun if you know what that is!
> Ole
>
> "Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
> news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...
> > Albert:
> >
> > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
> > a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.
> >
> > Richard
> >
>
>
Message 7 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

2nd that, yes allot of patience very interesting indeed. Make two flat
shaped horns out of 30" brass, square notch the edges so they will interlock
down the sides of the funnel. Bend tabs over so they interlock and solder
down the tabs, then force the flat envelope over a shaped mandrel. Hammer
out till the funnel is formed and hammer some more then polish. Phew would
you believe it. Hand made of course.

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---


"Billy Hiebert" wrote in message
news:3DD2D867.5070104@hieberts.com...
> I saw them being made once. The horn section is divided into several
> sections and wrapped and soldered. A lot of pounding takes place during
> the process. I can't remember much more than that, but it was very
> interesting.
>
> --
> Billy Hiebert
>
Message 8 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I'm glad someone's memory is better than mine! I have an old trumpet
and the plating is worn so you can see the tabs. Beautiful.
--
Billy Hiebert
HIEBERT SCULPTURE WORKS
Small Part Injection Molding
http://www.hieberts.com

Laurence Yeandle wrote:

> 2nd that, yes allot of patience very interesting indeed. Make two flat
> shaped horns out of 30" brass, square notch the edges so they will interlock
> down the sides of the funnel. Bend tabs over so they interlock and solder
> down the tabs, then force the flat envelope over a shaped mandrel. Hammer
> out till the funnel is formed and hammer some more then polish. Phew would
> you believe it. Hand made of course.
>
> --
> Laurence,
>
> Power is nothing without Control
> ---
>
Message 9 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I just posted a Trumpet to CF.  This thread caught my interest so I pulled
the old trumpet out to see if I could model it.  Anyone up for modeling a
Strad?  



In the process, I found a bug in my Save to JPEG tool.  That has been repaired
and posted to my web site.



Ole Germer wrote:


cite="mid53E875809EA3BC597C275ADF70BBE2B1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">
It is spun if you know what that is!
Ole

"Richard Hinterhoeller" <rhinterhoeller@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...


Albert:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.

Richard








Message 10 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Never mind modelling a Strad, any one know how to play one? I actually started modelling the
hammer/damper mechanism on my Piano back in R2, but never got round to finishing it. Maybe one
day...

John Bilton
Message 11 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Smart Charles, just knock up a model like you
do...between jobs. Are you gona post the model? So the question is how are the
majority of these instruments constructed? That shot is straight out of IV
right.


--
Laurence,
  
Power is nothing without
Control
---
        


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
I
just posted a Trumpet to CF.  This thread caught my interest so I pulled
the old trumpet out to see if I could model it.  Anyone up for modeling a
Strad?  

In the process, I found a bug in my Save to JPEG tool.
 That has been repaired and posted to my web site.

Ole Germer
@ wrote:


type="cite">
It is spun if you know what that is!
Ole

"Richard Hinterhoeller" <rhinterhoeller@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...

Albert:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.

Richard




Message 12 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Are you asking how they are constructed or how to
model them in Inventor?  I think others have been telling you how they are
constructed.  The reason you cannot unfold the shape to a flat pattern, it
that there is no flat pattern that can be bent to form those shapes.  They
require stretching or deforming the material or else the joining of multiple
pieces.  You can model part of the shape with a revolve of a curved
profile, but you cannot expect to be able to create a flat pattern of
it.

 

        Ed
R


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Smart Charles, just knock up a model like you
do...between jobs. Are you gona post the model? So the question is how are the
majority of these instruments constructed? That shot is straight out of IV
right.


--
Laurence,
  
Power is nothing without
Control
---
        


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
I
just posted a Trumpet to CF.  This thread caught my interest so I
pulled the old trumpet out to see if I could model it.  Anyone up for
modeling a Strad?  

In the process, I found a bug in my Save to
JPEG tool.  That has been repaired and posted to my web
site.

@ole Germer wrote:


type="cite">
It is spun if you know what that is!
Ole

"Richard Hinterhoeller" <rhinterhoeller@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...

Albert:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.

Richard




Message 13 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I have seen them spun from a flat disc and are formed around a mandrel. I
saw a program in last month's Cadalyst Magazine that was for calculating
blanks for stampings. Spinning is a similar process. Maybe that program
would do it.


"Albert Allen" wrote in message
news:446E9D9EC1CA1AC6B77805183235E207@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks Richard, that is the answer I expected but one can hope. I guess it
> is a little complicated and even if it could give me what to do how would
I
> go about making one
> "Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
> news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...
> > Albert:
> >
> > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
> > a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.
> >
> > Richard
> >
>
>
Message 14 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

What size mouthpiece is that?  That's
certainly not the Schilke 7C that came with the trumpet!

 

Throw a third-valve kicker on it and it's a
beaut!

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
I
just posted a Trumpet to CF.  This thread caught my interest so I pulled
the old trumpet out to see if I could model it.  Anyone up for modeling a
Strad?  

In the process, I found a bug in my Save to JPEG tool.
 That has been repaired and posted to my web site.

Ole Germer
@ wrote:


type="cite">
It is spun if you know what that is!
Ole

"Richard Hinterhoeller" <rhinterhoeller@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...

Albert:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.

Richard




Message 15 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

It was closing on midnight so I didn't measure the mouth piece or add
the drain valve or some of the bits which hold it together or the music
holder mount. I also thought about adding the logo which is a bunch of
dots which reads Locker Music Exchange. My wife is suggesting I have it
fixed and get our kid playing it. Doh!

In answer to one of the other questions, yes, it was captured from
Inventor with my JPEG tool which is how I happened to find the bug in it.

DJSpaceMouse wrote:

> What size mouthpiece is that? That's certainly not the Schilke 7C
> that came with the trumpet!
>
> Throw a third-valve kicker on it and it's a beaut!
>
>
> "Charles Bliss" >
> wrote in message news:3DD355B1.3030803@cbliss.com...
> I just posted a Trumpet to CF. This thread caught my interest so
> I pulled the old trumpet out to see if I could model it. Anyone
> up for modeling a Strad?
>
> In the process, I found a bug in my Save to JPEG tool. That has
> been repaired and posted to my web site.
>
> Ole Germer wrote:
>
>>It is spun if you know what that is!
>>Ole
>>
>>"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
>>news:3DD2CF30.5010003@hfx.eastlink.ca...
>>
>>
>>>Albert:
>>>
>>>Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but every trombone I've ever seen is
>>>a compound curve so it won't flat pattern.
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Message 16 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Just through it together eh Charles? it would take me a day to do something
that nice and Charles just throws it together in a leisurely evening
"Albert Allen" wrote in message
news:804394D46651EA5CF2A1A32A50454EAD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> The kind of flare you might find on a trombone, French horn etc.(not a
cone)
> Will R6 do a flat pattern of that? I think I already know the answer but I
> might be surprised!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Albert (the guy without R6 loaded) but hoping
>
>
Message 17 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

How did you get the grid floor? Or do you have grids showing? I never use
them so I'm not familiar with what they look like in an assembly.

"Charles Bliss" wrote in message
news:3DD3BEEF.7000308@cbliss.com...

> In answer to one of the other questions, yes, it was captured from
> Inventor with my JPEG tool which is how I happened to find the bug in it.
Message 18 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

It's one of the background images you can select by Tools/App Options

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
...sleep is for the weak..
-----------------------------------------
"Ron Crain" wrote in message
news:F6EC590FCDA36A31E8839141113C867C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> How did you get the grid floor? Or do you have grids showing? I never
use
> them so I'm not familiar with what they look like in an assembly.
>
> "Charles Bliss" wrote in message
> news:3DD3BEEF.7000308@cbliss.com...
>
> > In answer to one of the other questions, yes, it was captured from
> > Inventor with my JPEG tool which is how I happened to find the bug in
it.
>
>
>
Message 19 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Imagine that!
I'm sure I can even make my own bmp 🙂

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:157303CD102ADA0E99BB51161C8C807D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It's one of the background images you can select by Tools/App Options
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> ...sleep is for the weak..
> -----------------------------------------
> "Ron Crain" wrote in message
> news:F6EC590FCDA36A31E8839141113C867C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > How did you get the grid floor? Or do you have grids showing? I never
> use
> > them so I'm not familiar with what they look like in an assembly.
> >
> > "Charles Bliss" wrote in message
> > news:3DD3BEEF.7000308@cbliss.com...
> >
> > > In answer to one of the other questions, yes, it was captured from
> > > Inventor with my JPEG tool which is how I happened to find the bug in
> it.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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