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*Meives, Michael
Message 1 of 14 (156 Views)

network install on Novell netware 5.0 server

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06-11-2001 04:20 AM
We just received our AutoCAD (2002) Mechanical 6 update, we are currently
using our Novell server to manage network licenses. Is it true that this is
no longer possible with the new Adlm? and if so what are my options? I only
have 15 licenses am I better off getting individual licenses and forget
about the network install? Anyone else facing this?

Mike Meives
*martin, jason
Message 2 of 14 (156 Views)

Re: network install on Novell netware 5.0 server

06-11-2001 09:32 AM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
Yes it is true. The FlexLM doesn't support netware. The choice to do local licenses is
up to you, but I generally recommend network licensing. Get any old workstation you have
sitting around and install NT 4 on it (or win2k). If you want to use tcp as your
licensing protocol you'll need to run a server version as the workstation version will
only allow 10 connections. You can opt out and use the udp version, but udp isn't as
reliable as tcp. (Although I don't have much trouble with the old adlm running udp).

sorry

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza

"Michael Meives" wrote in message
news:65F7529E6204FE6C4FE896D2BD068376@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We just received our AutoCAD (2002) Mechanical 6 update, we are currently
> using our Novell server to manage network licenses. Is it true that this is
> no longer possible with the new Adlm? and if so what are my options? I only
> have 15 licenses am I better off getting individual licenses and forget
> about the network install? Anyone else facing this?
>
> Mike Meives
>
>
*ljb
Message 3 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-12-2001 08:31 AM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
jmartin@^nospam^fsb-ae.com wrote:
>Yes it is true. The FlexLM doesn't support netware. The choice to do local licenses is
>up to you, but I generally recommend network licensing. Get any old workstation you have
>sitting around and install NT 4 on it (or win2k). If you want to use tcp as your
>licensing protocol you'll need to run a server version as the workstation version will
>only allow 10 connections. You can opt out and use the udp version, but udp isn't as
>reliable as tcp. (Although I don't have much trouble with the old adlm running udp).
>
>sorry
>
>jason martin
>frankfurt-short-bruza

OK, so FlexLM won't play on Netware. That's sad.
But FlexLM has a nice long list of supported platforms. See:
http://www.globetrotter.com/flexlm/lmplat.shtml
Great, yes? So we can move our Autodesk license server from Netware to our
Linux server, or HP-UX server, right? Oh no, I'm dreaming here, aren't I?

By the way, parking a Windows NT Workstation system in a corner somewhere
to run just server-type things like the License Manager is a violation of
the Microsoft license, which requires Workstation to be used for
workstation-type stuff; i.e. a warm body sitting in front of it I guess.
Don't encourage people to violate license agreements.
*martin, jason
Message 4 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-12-2001 09:03 AM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
Could you please quote me the paragraph(s) where the MS EULA says that a workstation
cannot be used for network services? Or where it has to have someone actually working on
it?

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza

(snip)
>
> By the way, parking a Windows NT Workstation system in a corner somewhere
> to run just server-type things like the License Manager is a violation of
> the Microsoft license, which requires Workstation to be used for
> workstation-type stuff; i.e. a warm body sitting in front of it I guess.
> Don't encourage people to violate license agreements.
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 5 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-12-2001 10:43 PM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
I'd like to see this too, because something just doesn't sound right. I
suppose that our "robot" printer running AutoCAD on Win95 (soon to be
Win98SE) is also illegal (not) as nobody even touches that PC unless it
crashes (about every other day).

Here is something else that I find really, really odd. Our IT director was
told, supposedly by someone at MS, that for *every* user account you have in
User Manager for Domains you have to have a CAL. One, of the many, things
that really strikes me as odd is in companies that have split shifts.

Example:
A company has 20 PCs, but 60 employees (20 on 3 different shifts) and maybe
70 user accounts (employees, temps, contractors, accounts for running
services, etc), but only 20 (maybe 25 for temps and contractors) people
would ever be logged onto the network at a time. But our IT director has it
in his head that we would have to own 70 CALs to be legal. I believe and
from the little that I've read and heard that you only need as many CALs as
you have concurrent users. So you wouldn't even need a CAL for those
accounts that you create to run as service as.

--
Kevin Nehls


"jason martin" wrote in message
news:FE4BBFEBF538E1BA69642F160DA29858@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Could you please quote me the paragraph(s) where the MS EULA says that a
workstation
> cannot be used for network services? Or where it has to have someone
actually working on
> it?
>
> jason martin
> frankfurt-short-bruza
*martin, jason
Message 6 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-12-2001 10:47 PM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
Kevin -
Some very good points.

To take your example even further, lets say that there isn't a server. Only a
workstation, isolated, not connected to a network. 3 different people use the
workstation, hence 3 logons. Since there are no "cals" for workstation does that mean
that you have to have 3 workstation licenses for 1 piece of hardware/software?

I believe that your IT director has been mis-informed. Take a look at the MS License
logging service (it doesn't work that well to start with, but it's the idea that counts).
The license logging service counts "simultaneous connections" to a server. It doesn't
care about number of users in usermanager. Doesn't care about print connections. It
simply counts the number of users connected at any given time. If the number of users
exceeds the number of licenses it's logged in the event log.

jmo

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza

"Kevin Nehls" wrote in message
news:smileyvery-happy:50B22A844B15A974E21E9686BF781BD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I'd like to see this too, because something just doesn't sound right. I
> suppose that our "robot" printer running AutoCAD on Win95 (soon to be
> Win98SE) is also illegal (not) as nobody even touches that PC unless it
> crashes (about every other day).
>
> Here is something else that I find really, really odd. Our IT director was
> told, supposedly by someone at MS, that for *every* user account you have in
> User Manager for Domains you have to have a CAL. One, of the many, things
> that really strikes me as odd is in companies that have split shifts.
>
> Example:
> A company has 20 PCs, but 60 employees (20 on 3 different shifts) and maybe
> 70 user accounts (employees, temps, contractors, accounts for running
> services, etc), but only 20 (maybe 25 for temps and contractors) people
> would ever be logged onto the network at a time. But our IT director has it
> in his head that we would have to own 70 CALs to be legal. I believe and
> from the little that I've read and heard that you only need as many CALs as
> you have concurrent users. So you wouldn't even need a CAL for those
> accounts that you create to run as service as.
>
> --
> Kevin Nehls
>
>
> "jason martin" wrote in message
> news:FE4BBFEBF538E1BA69642F160DA29858@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Could you please quote me the paragraph(s) where the MS EULA says that a
> workstation
> > cannot be used for network services? Or where it has to have someone
> actually working on
> > it?
> >
> > jason martin
> > frankfurt-short-bruza
>
>
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 7 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-12-2001 11:03 PM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
"jason martin" wrote in message
news:41825A09BD821716A5284886E0A1219F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Kevin -
> Some very good points.
>
> To take your example even further, lets say that there isn't a server.
Only a
> workstation, isolated, not connected to a network. 3 different people use
the
> workstation, hence 3 logons. Since there are no "cals" for workstation
does that mean
> that you have to have 3 workstation licenses for 1 piece of
hardware/software?
>
> I believe that your IT director has been mis-informed.

Oh, I know he's been mis-informed.

> Take a look at the MS License
> logging service (it doesn't work that well to start with, but it's the
idea that counts).
> The license logging service counts "simultaneous connections" to a server.

Oh, I know. I tried telling him this, but he's sooooo close minded. Maybe
I'll have to show him exactly where it is on the server, because I know he
doesn't know.
*Inc.], Bud Schroeder [ Autodesk
Message 8 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-13-2001 12:27 AM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
Hi Guys,

You can run Flex on a Novell TCP/IP network. You would have to do it at the
local workstation, but it does work. There is no NLM so you can not put it
on the actual Netware server. Globetrotter actually had an NLM a while
back, but stopped supporting it.

Take care.

Bud Schroeder
Autodesk Inc.
Test Development



"ljb" wrote in message
news:C08466F00013F188B78098DEBEF1DEAB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> jmartin@^nospam^fsb-ae.com wrote:
> >Yes it is true. The FlexLM doesn't support netware. The choice to do
local licenses is
> >up to you, but I generally recommend network licensing. Get any old
workstation you have
> >sitting around and install NT 4 on it (or win2k). If you want to use tcp
as your
> >licensing protocol you'll need to run a server version as the workstation
version will
> >only allow 10 connections. You can opt out and use the udp version, but
udp isn't as
> >reliable as tcp. (Although I don't have much trouble with the old adlm
running udp).
> >
> >sorry
> >
> >jason martin
> >frankfurt-short-bruza
>
> OK, so FlexLM won't play on Netware. That's sad.
> But FlexLM has a nice long list of supported platforms. See:
> http://www.globetrotter.com/flexlm/lmplat.shtml
> Great, yes? So we can move our Autodesk license server from Netware to our
> Linux server, or HP-UX server, right? Oh no, I'm dreaming here, aren't I?
>
> By the way, parking a Windows NT Workstation system in a corner somewhere
> to run just server-type things like the License Manager is a violation of
> the Microsoft license, which requires Workstation to be used for
> workstation-type stuff; i.e. a warm body sitting in front of it I guess.
> Don't encourage people to violate license agreements.
*ljb
Message 9 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-13-2001 09:34 AM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
jmartin@^nospam^fsb-ae.com wrote:
>Could you please quote me the paragraph(s) where the MS EULA says that a workstation
>cannot be used for network services? Or where it has to have someone actually working on
>it?

Cannot be used *only* for network services, I think said.

This from the Microsoft Windows NT Workstation EULA, item 1:

| You may install the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on a single computer
| ("Workstation Computer") for use as interactive workstation
| software, but not as server software.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Notwithstanding this:

| However, you may permit a maximum of ten (10) computers to connect to the
| Workstation Computer to access and use services of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT,
| such as file and print services and peer web services.

Which says that in addition to interactive use, up to 10 computers can
connect over the network.

So how about it... will we be able to get FlexLM on Linux serving
AutoCAD licenses and all stay nice and software-legal?
*ljb
Message 10 of 14 (156 Views)

FlexLM on Netware or on...? For AutoCAD 2002

06-13-2001 09:45 AM in reply to: *Meives, Michael
bud.schroeder@autodesk.com wrote:
>Hi Guys,
>
>You can run Flex on a Novell TCP/IP network. You would have to do it at the
>local workstation, but it does work. There is no NLM so you can not put it
>on the actual Netware server. Globetrotter actually had an NLM a while
>back, but stopped supporting it.

No such thing really as a "Novell TCP/IP network". The issue is the
platform for running the Autodesk licensing server itself. The network
itself is irrelevant.

We can't run it on a workstation because people turn their workstations
off at night, and anyway interactive Windows boxes are too unreliable
for this and they need to be rebooted too often.

I don't blame Autodesk for not supporting Novell since FlexLM doesn't
support it. But how about considering supporting some of the other server
platforms which FlexLM does support? Put in my vote for Linux.

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