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*Parab, Sunil
Message 1 of 16 (139 Views)

Switch from Network to Stand alone AutoCAD

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12-12-2001 02:31 AM
I am implementing a Arch. Desktop 3.3 setup with network installation -
AutoCAD installed on workstation and NT server managing licensing with
FlexLM.

My question is - In case of the NT server failure is it possible to switch
from network licensing to stand alone AutoCAD?

I know Jason had explained it to me before that one can move server NIC to a
new server to make it work. We have only one server and in case of its
failure we have a disaster recovery plan but in the mean time is it possible
to switch to stand alone version so CAD users are not sitting idle.

I am not concerned about legal issues as we have enough licenses to cover
users just wanted to know if it is possible technically or else we have to
plan to reduce the downtime.

Thanks in advance.
Sunil
*martin, jason
Message 2 of 16 (139 Views)

Re: Switch from Network to Stand alone AutoCAD

12-12-2001 03:10 AM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
Sunil -

As far as I know there is no (supported) way to do this (on the US version).
Some of the non-US versions have a license configuration switcher, which will allow a person to "disconnect" from the adlm and use a
local license (I don't know if that's a hardware lock or a c-dilla license, but I know there is a switcher).

I've not tried this as I'm not especially worried about the adlm dying, (watch the thing go out tonight, now that I've said that)
but if I where, here's what I'd try.

Build a clean machine (no other apps) using whatever OS / Service Pack is my current favorite. Do an install from a network
deployment, using the adlm.

Build another clean machine using the exact same installation procedure as the previous one. Do an install from a deployment set to
use a serial number and not the adlm.

Take both the drives out, put them in a third machine and windiff them. Print out / write down / whatever a list of all the files
that are different. Start copying files from the "local license" machine to the network license machine, until it either doesn't
work, or it doesn't need a network license. Using some logic about what files to replace will save some time. There's no reason to
worry about pc3's and other junk like that.

When you think you have it figured out, re-build a machine, put the network license deployment on it, and confirm that you can
switch it to a "local". Now, see if you can switch back to a network. Write a batch file, or script, or exe or some such thing that
will replace the files for you, and test it.

NOTE: This "installation" will probably be forever unsupported by Autodesk.

You'll notice that I indicated "Here's what I'd do" rather than "Here's what I did", because I haven't done it. This will take some
time and some trial and error to get working (or not working, as the case may be). If you do decide to follow through with this I'd
love to see what you come up with.

hth

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza

"Sunil Parab" wrote in message news:smileyvery-happy:C2652C7E740D4E62CDB433BE9AA7368@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I am implementing a Arch. Desktop 3.3 setup with network installation -
> AutoCAD installed on workstation and NT server managing licensing with
> FlexLM.
>
> My question is - In case of the NT server failure is it possible to switch
> from network licensing to stand alone AutoCAD?
>
> I know Jason had explained it to me before that one can move server NIC to a
> new server to make it work. We have only one server and in case of its
> failure we have a disaster recovery plan but in the mean time is it possible
> to switch to stand alone version so CAD users are not sitting idle.
>
> I am not concerned about legal issues as we have enough licenses to cover
> users just wanted to know if it is possible technically or else we have to
> plan to reduce the downtime.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Sunil
>
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 3 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 04:37 AM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
So would I.

--
Kevin Nehls

"jason martin" wrote in message
news:1FBC6FFC242D81334C88DFFAEF61EC02@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> If you do decide to follow through with this I'd
> love to see what you come up with.
*Inc.], Bud Schroeder [Autodesk
Message 4 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 05:12 AM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
Hi Kevin and Jason,

That is a lot of work. May be cheaper in the long run just to setup a
couple more NT boxes and redundant servers;-)... One other observation that
I have had with this in the past. Way before my time at Autodesk;-)...
When my server is hosed and I can not get a license, I can't get to my
AutoCAD drawings as well, so it did not matter if I had a local copy of
AutoCAD to run. Also all my printers and DesignJets were on servers so I
was just dead in the water until I got the servers back up.

Take care.

Bud


"Kevin Nehls" wrote in message
news:smileyvery-happy:E9C9ED28DDC9681245DE93FDAD4C404@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> So would I.
>
> --
> Kevin Nehls
>
> "jason martin" wrote in message
> news:1FBC6FFC242D81334C88DFFAEF61EC02@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > If you do decide to follow through with this I'd
> > love to see what you come up with.
>
>
>
*martin, jason
Message 5 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 06:36 AM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
Bud -

If we could just get you to tell us what files we need it wouldn't be neeeaaarrrllllly as much work.

jason

"Bud Schroeder [Autodesk Inc.]" wrote in message
news:smileyvery-happy:26731CAD905CF7F6B0513084A330D93@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi Kevin and Jason,
>
> That is a lot of work. May be cheaper in the long run just to setup a
> couple more NT boxes and redundant servers;-)... One other observation that
> I have had with this in the past. Way before my time at Autodesk;-)...
> When my server is hosed and I can not get a license, I can't get to my
> AutoCAD drawings as well, so it did not matter if I had a local copy of
> AutoCAD to run. Also all my printers and DesignJets were on servers so I
> was just dead in the water until I got the servers back up.
>
> Take care.
>
> Bud
>
>
>
*Parab, Sunil
Message 6 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 06:44 AM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
Thanks Jason for your detailed explanation. We are in US. If there is no
supported and easy way of switching then I have to look at other options.
May be AutoDesk will come up with some other way where one can change
registry settings to make it work.

Thanks again.
Sunil

"jason martin" wrote in message
news:1FBC6FFC242D81334C88DFFAEF61EC02@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Sunil -
>
> As far as I know there is no (supported) way to do this (on the US
version).
> Some of the non-US versions have a license configuration switcher, which
will allow a person to "disconnect" from the adlm and use a
> local license (I don't know if that's a hardware lock or a c-dilla
license, but I know there is a switcher).
>
> I've not tried this as I'm not especially worried about the adlm dying,
(watch the thing go out tonight, now that I've said that)
> but if I where, here's what I'd try.
>
> Build a clean machine (no other apps) using whatever OS / Service Pack is
my current favorite. Do an install from a network
> deployment, using the adlm.
>
> Build another clean machine using the exact same installation procedure as
the previous one. Do an install from a deployment set to
> use a serial number and not the adlm.
>
> Take both the drives out, put them in a third machine and windiff them.
Print out / write down / whatever a list of all the files
> that are different. Start copying files from the "local license" machine
to the network license machine, until it either doesn't
> work, or it doesn't need a network license. Using some logic about what
files to replace will save some time. There's no reason to
> worry about pc3's and other junk like that.
>
> When you think you have it figured out, re-build a machine, put the
network license deployment on it, and confirm that you can
> switch it to a "local". Now, see if you can switch back to a network.
Write a batch file, or script, or exe or some such thing that
> will replace the files for you, and test it.
>
> NOTE: This "installation" will probably be forever unsupported by
Autodesk.
>
> You'll notice that I indicated "Here's what I'd do" rather than "Here's
what I did", because I haven't done it. This will take some
> time and some trial and error to get working (or not working, as the case
may be). If you do decide to follow through with this I'd
> love to see what you come up with.
>
> hth
>
> jason martin
> frankfurt-short-bruza
>
> "Sunil Parab" wrote in message
news:smileyvery-happy:C2652C7E740D4E62CDB433BE9AA7368@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I am implementing a Arch. Desktop 3.3 setup with network installation -
> > AutoCAD installed on workstation and NT server managing licensing with
> > FlexLM.
> >
> > My question is - In case of the NT server failure is it possible to
switch
> > from network licensing to stand alone AutoCAD?
> >
> > I know Jason had explained it to me before that one can move server NIC
to a
> > new server to make it work. We have only one server and in case of its
> > failure we have a disaster recovery plan but in the mean time is it
possible
> > to switch to stand alone version so CAD users are not sitting idle.
> >
> > I am not concerned about legal issues as we have enough licenses to
cover
> > users just wanted to know if it is possible technically or else we have
to
> > plan to reduce the downtime.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Sunil
> >
> >
>
>
*Parab, Sunil
Message 7 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 06:52 AM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
I agree that it is better to have redundant server. At present we have stand
alone licenses and we have alternate way of accessing data and printers in
case of server failure. It had worked when our server did not boot due to
defective SCSI connector. We just switched drive mapping to access CAD files
at alternate location and manually connect printer to a workstation till we
figured of solution. Although this does not happen all the time but it would
be nice if AutoDesk could provide an easy way of switching - something like
calling support line and change registry setting.

Thanks for your input.
Sunil
"Bud Schroeder [Autodesk Inc.]" wrote in
message news:smileyvery-happy:26731CAD905CF7F6B0513084A330D93@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi Kevin and Jason,
>
> That is a lot of work. May be cheaper in the long run just to setup a
> couple more NT boxes and redundant servers;-)... One other observation
that
> I have had with this in the past. Way before my time at Autodesk;-)...
> When my server is hosed and I can not get a license, I can't get to my
> AutoCAD drawings as well, so it did not matter if I had a local copy of
> AutoCAD to run. Also all my printers and DesignJets were on servers so I
> was just dead in the water until I got the servers back up.
>
> Take care.
>
> Bud
>
>
> "Kevin Nehls" wrote in message
> news:smileyvery-happy:E9C9ED28DDC9681245DE93FDAD4C404@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > So would I.
> >
> > --
> > Kevin Nehls
> >
> > "jason martin" wrote in message
> > news:1FBC6FFC242D81334C88DFFAEF61EC02@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > If you do decide to follow through with this I'd
> > > love to see what you come up with.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
*Inc.], Bud Schroeder [ Autodesk
Message 8 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 03:00 PM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
Hee hee... Hi Jason,

I could tell you, but you would not like the answer;-)... It's not just the
registry or some files, it's all of AutoCAD. They are really different
versions. So tweaking the registry will not do it. ACAD is designed to
look for the server. That was why I said that it would be better to build
redundant servers;-)...

Take care.

Bud



"jason martin" wrote in message
news:45FF6B0865D5181E5B67D8307BEEE0E0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Bud -
>
> If we could just get you to tell us what files we need it wouldn't be
neeeaaarrrllllly as much work.
>
> jason
>
> "Bud Schroeder [Autodesk Inc.]" wrote in
message
> news:smileyvery-happy:26731CAD905CF7F6B0513084A330D93@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hi Kevin and Jason,
> >
> > That is a lot of work. May be cheaper in the long run just to setup a
> > couple more NT boxes and redundant servers;-)... One other observation
that
> > I have had with this in the past. Way before my time at Autodesk;-)...
> > When my server is hosed and I can not get a license, I can't get to my
> > AutoCAD drawings as well, so it did not matter if I had a local copy of
> > AutoCAD to run. Also all my printers and DesignJets were on servers so
I
> > was just dead in the water until I got the servers back up.
> >
> > Take care.
> >
> > Bud
> >
> >
> >
>
>
*Inc.], Bud Schroeder [ Autodesk
Message 9 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 03:02 PM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
Hi Sunil,

I understand what your after, but unfortunately when using the Network
version of AutoCAD you can not do this. You would need to use standalone
AutoCAD in this case. But I will pass this on to the team that works on
this so that they know people want this type of functionality.

Thanks for the details.

Bud


"Sunil Parab" wrote in message
news:6380AF57F912214A3B72CB410E98D69C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I agree that it is better to have redundant server. At present we have
stand
> alone licenses and we have alternate way of accessing data and printers in
> case of server failure. It had worked when our server did not boot due to
> defective SCSI connector. We just switched drive mapping to access CAD
files
> at alternate location and manually connect printer to a workstation till
we
> figured of solution. Although this does not happen all the time but it
would
> be nice if AutoDesk could provide an easy way of switching - something
like
> calling support line and change registry setting.
>
> Thanks for your input.
> Sunil
> "Bud Schroeder [Autodesk Inc.]" wrote in
> message news:smileyvery-happy:26731CAD905CF7F6B0513084A330D93@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hi Kevin and Jason,
> >
> > That is a lot of work. May be cheaper in the long run just to setup a
> > couple more NT boxes and redundant servers;-)... One other observation
> that
> > I have had with this in the past. Way before my time at Autodesk;-)...
> > When my server is hosed and I can not get a license, I can't get to my
> > AutoCAD drawings as well, so it did not matter if I had a local copy of
> > AutoCAD to run. Also all my printers and DesignJets were on servers so
I
> > was just dead in the water until I got the servers back up.
> >
> > Take care.
> >
> > Bud
> >
> >
> > "Kevin Nehls" wrote in message
> > news:smileyvery-happy:E9C9ED28DDC9681245DE93FDAD4C404@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > So would I.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kevin Nehls
> > >
> > > "jason martin" wrote in message
> > > news:1FBC6FFC242D81334C88DFFAEF61EC02@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > If you do decide to follow through with this I'd
> > > > love to see what you come up with.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
*martin, jason
Message 10 of 16 (139 Views)

Re:

12-12-2001 10:04 PM in reply to: *Parab, Sunil
Bud -

I won't argue with the fact that I wouldn't like the answer, but... How does the license configuration switcher work? It either has
to basically switch out the autocad versions, or intercept the license request and re-direct it somehow, right (and I'm guessing on
the prior)??

And as long as I'm asking stupid questions here's another one-
Could a person, in theory, install both a local copy, and a client deployment to the same machine (different install folders) and
get them both to run. I know that there will be problems with the registry and pathing, and that the install won't necessarily
"work" correctly. The reason I ask is because for R14 we used a network deployment (yes, thin client, exe's on the server). When I
switched to W2k, obviously I couldn't pull a license (adesksys.dll). I simply made a copy of our autocad installation tree (K:\R14)
to another folder (k:\acad14), replaced adesksys.dll, changed my shortcut (just the shortcut, I left the registry alone), and viola!
I understand that this would be an "unsupported" install, and I might have to deal with some licensing issues, but is it possible? I
don't really want to do this, but now I'm curious

tia

jason

"Bud Schroeder [ Autodesk Inc.]" wrote in message
news:smileyvery-happy:1CB5349555BCB084E17CEB25C21B895@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hee hee... Hi Jason,
>
> I could tell you, but you would not like the answer;-)... It's not just the
> registry or some files, it's all of AutoCAD. They are really different
> versions. So tweaking the registry will not do it. ACAD is designed to
> look for the server. That was why I said that it would be better to build
> redundant servers;-)...
>
> Take care.
>
> Bud
>

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