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*Lewis, David
Message 1 of 9 (178 Views)

Stand alone vs Network ADLM?

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09-13-2001 06:05 AM
We are considering switching from stand alone licenses to ADLM and I was wondering what the pro's and con's are from
both the users and admin's point of view.

What do most companies do? If you have 20 people do you skimp and buy 15 or 18 licenses and hope not every one shows
up for work on the same day? Seriously, have you had problems with not enough licenses? Do users end up leaving
autocad running all day so that they can still get a license? What happens with laptop users? Most of our project
management staff have laptops and don't use autocad very often, but when they do they might be out of the office. Do
they need to borrow a license before they leave the office?

What happens when a computer does not release a license? Is there anything on the ADLM that can kill a license that is
in use? Or does a computer always have to be connected to the network to get a license?

I saw a post to look at the installation guide. Is there an online pdf for the install guide?

What other problems have people run accross?

We currently have stand alone versions of 2000i, 2002, LDD R2, Cad Overlay. Can we convert our existing licenses to
network versions or do we have to pay a fee for the privilege? Is there a price difference in stand alone vs network?
*D_Reaume
Message 2 of 9 (178 Views)

Re: Stand alone vs Network ADLM?

09-13-2001 08:52 PM in reply to: *Lewis, David
Answers from my Hard Knocks Schooling

What do most companies do? If you have 20 people do you skimp and buy 15
or 18 licenses and hope not every one shows up for work on the same day?
Seriously, have you had problems with not enough licenses? Do users end up
leaving

Dapends on the users duties , if they all nead to be on all of the time ,
then Amount is = users


> autocad running all day so that they can still get a license? What
happens with laptop users? Most of our project management staff have
laptops and don't use autocad very often, but when they do they might be out
of the office.
Do they need to borrow a license before they leave the office?

Note Books are a standalone license as you can only get and keep a license
while attached to the network ADLM is on.

> What happens when a computer does not release a license? Is there
anything on the ADLM that can kill a license that is in use? Or does a
computer always have to be connected to the network to get a license?

Yes you can revoke from individual users comes in handy when the leave the
systems running when the step out to a meeting.

Dave
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ggaska
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Registered: ‎11-01-2001
Message 3 of 9 (178 Views)

Re: Stand alone vs Network ADLM?

09-20-2001 11:32 PM in reply to: *Lewis, David
David,

Our architectural office has 38 R14 licenses running on an AdLM server with 48 potential CAD users, and no under-licensing problems. I've tried running redundant servers but the pass-off from master to slave doesn't seem to work. So when, albeit rarely, the AdLM machine (a NT4.0 box) goes down - everyone stops. I'm hoping the new AdLM with R2002 will work better for us...

-gint
*Lipsey, Jim
Message 4 of 9 (178 Views)

Re: Stand alone vs Network ADLM?

10-09-2001 07:12 AM in reply to: *Lewis, David
Our firm has just 6 CAD stations currently running R14, each w/ a stand-alone license. We'll be
upgrading to ADT3 before 01/2002, so if we begin using the LM I guess that'd be the time to
start. With all the confusion in the newsgroup, though, I'm not convinced that using either LM
would benefit a network as small as ours.

Is there a threshold below which is doesn't make sense to use ADLM?


David Lewis wrote in message ...
>We are considering switching from stand alone licenses to ADLM and I was wondering what the
pro's and con's are from both the users and admin's point of view.
*martin, jason
Message 5 of 9 (178 Views)

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10-09-2001 09:25 PM in reply to: *Lewis, David
In my opinion, any number of licenses less than 1 should not use the adlm. For 1 or above
I'd go the adlm route. The only reason not to use the adlm (in my opinion) is for laptops
who need to run autocad when they are out of the office.

jason martin
assistant idiot
frankfurt-short-bruza
www.fsb-ae.com/acadnetwork/acadnetworkfaq.htm

"Jim Lipsey" wrote in message
news:343AD9E87BBF03A4A6F98266FBC5F7A2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Our firm has just 6 CAD stations currently running R14, each w/ a stand-alone license.
We'll be
> upgrading to ADT3 before 01/2002, so if we begin using the LM I guess that'd be the time
to
> start. With all the confusion in the newsgroup, though, I'm not convinced that using
either LM
> would benefit a network as small as ours.
>
> Is there a threshold below which is doesn't make sense to use ADLM?
>
>
> David Lewis wrote in message ...
> >We are considering switching from stand alone licenses to ADLM and I was wondering what
the
> pro's and con's are from both the users and admin's point of view.
>
>
>
*Prettyman, Charles
Message 6 of 9 (178 Views)

Re:

10-10-2001 03:06 AM in reply to: *Lewis, David
If, for some reason, you own more licenses than you have people, it might
not make much sense to go the ADLM route. Why you wouild intentionlly buy
more licenses than you have people is your business, I don't want to know
about it.

We have shrunk a bit over the last few months, so we actually own one
superfluous license. I'm still going ADLM, because it makes no sense to me
to change. The nice thing is that I do not need to worry about putting ACAD
on the bosses machines for them to try to learn, and I can tell them to hire
two more people if they want, without uincurring the software cost of an
extra license, etc.

I have this suspicion that if my office were down to six users, we could
comfortably own only 5 licenses. OK, maybe once a week we would need 6 for
about an hour. The problem is, I don't know how to prove that. Maybe, in
my spare time, I'll teach myself enough application development skills to
write a little program that polls the lan every 10 minutes to see how many
instances of ACAD are running, and logs the data. Flex LM will tell you how
many licenses are in use if you ask it, but it does not log the data.

If someone who already has the skills to do so wants to create that little
app, I'd love a copy.




"Jim Lipsey" wrote in message
news:343AD9E87BBF03A4A6F98266FBC5F7A2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Our firm has just 6 CAD stations currently running R14, each w/ a
stand-alone license. We'll be
> upgrading to ADT3 before 01/2002, so if we begin using the LM I guess
that'd be the time to
> start. With all the confusion in the newsgroup, though, I'm not convinced
that using either LM
> would benefit a network as small as ours.
>
> Is there a threshold below which is doesn't make sense to use ADLM?
>
>
> David Lewis wrote in message ...
> >We are considering switching from stand alone licenses to ADLM and I was
wondering what the
> pro's and con's are from both the users and admin's point of view.
>
>
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 7 of 9 (178 Views)

Re:

10-10-2001 03:33 AM in reply to: *Lewis, David
"Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
news:C42B3AA9F3CBEF0807B8B2A4A6BA0659@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Flex LM will tell you how
> many licenses are in use if you ask it, but it does not log the data.

Yes it does log the data. What use is a lic manager if it doesn't log the
data? Check out the thread titled "Anyone using the SAMlite report program
on the Autocad 2002 CD ?" dated 8/14/01

HTH
Kevin
*martin, jason
Message 8 of 9 (178 Views)

Re:

10-10-2001 03:36 AM in reply to: *Lewis, David
It's already written into the flexlm.

Look at the html files in the netsetup folder. Check the switches in the options file. You can log everything.

To read the logs however, you'll need to get samreport lite from globetrotter (you'll have to allow port 88 if your behind a
firewall to get at it)(btw, it's free, you just have to get it???). Check out the acad_netguide.chm file for information on getting
the samreport lite.

hth

jason martin
assistant idiot
frankfurt-short-bruza
www.fsb-ae.com/acadnetwork/acadnetworkfaq.htm


"Charles Prettyman" wrote in message news:C42B3AA9F3CBEF0807B8B2A4A6BA0659@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> If, for some reason, you own more licenses than you have people, it might
> not make much sense to go the ADLM route. Why you wouild intentionlly buy
> more licenses than you have people is your business, I don't want to know
> about it.
>
> We have shrunk a bit over the last few months, so we actually own one
> superfluous license. I'm still going ADLM, because it makes no sense to me
> to change. The nice thing is that I do not need to worry about putting ACAD
> on the bosses machines for them to try to learn, and I can tell them to hire
> two more people if they want, without uincurring the software cost of an
> extra license, etc.
>
> I have this suspicion that if my office were down to six users, we could
> comfortably own only 5 licenses. OK, maybe once a week we would need 6 for
> about an hour. The problem is, I don't know how to prove that. Maybe, in
> my spare time, I'll teach myself enough application development skills to
> write a little program that polls the lan every 10 minutes to see how many
> instances of ACAD are running, and logs the data. Flex LM will tell you how
> many licenses are in use if you ask it, but it does not log the data.
>
> If someone who already has the skills to do so wants to create that little
> app, I'd love a copy.
>
>
>
>
> "Jim Lipsey" wrote in message
> news:343AD9E87BBF03A4A6F98266FBC5F7A2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Our firm has just 6 CAD stations currently running R14, each w/ a
> stand-alone license. We'll be
> > upgrading to ADT3 before 01/2002, so if we begin using the LM I guess
> that'd be the time to
> > start. With all the confusion in the newsgroup, though, I'm not convinced
> that using either LM
> > would benefit a network as small as ours.
> >
> > Is there a threshold below which is doesn't make sense to use ADLM?
> >
> >
> > David Lewis wrote in message ...
> > >We are considering switching from stand alone licenses to ADLM and I was
> wondering what the
> > pro's and con's are from both the users and admin's point of view.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
*Prettyman, Charles
Message 9 of 9 (178 Views)

Re:

10-10-2001 04:15 AM in reply to: *Lewis, David
Thank you Kevin and Jason


"jason martin" wrote in message
news:229B56A0966A278F7DB524D3A316FB43@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It's already written into the flexlm.
>
> Look at the html files in the netsetup folder. Check the switches in the
options file. You can log everything.
>
> To read the logs however, you'll need to get samreport lite from
globetrotter (you'll have to allow port 88 if your behind a
> firewall to get at it)(btw, it's free, you just have to get it???). Check
out the acad_netguide.chm file for information on getting
> the samreport lite.
>
> hth
>
> jason martin
> assistant idiot
> frankfurt-short-bruza
> www.fsb-ae.com/acadnetwork/acadnetworkfaq.htm
>
>
> "Charles Prettyman" wrote in message
news:C42B3AA9F3CBEF0807B8B2A4A6BA0659@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > If, for some reason, you own more licenses than you have people, it
might
> > not make much sense to go the ADLM route. Why you wouild intentionlly
buy
> > more licenses than you have people is your business, I don't want to
know
> > about it.
> >
> > We have shrunk a bit over the last few months, so we actually own one
> > superfluous license. I'm still going ADLM, because it makes no sense to
me
> > to change. The nice thing is that I do not need to worry about putting
ACAD
> > on the bosses machines for them to try to learn, and I can tell them to
hire
> > two more people if they want, without uincurring the software cost of an
> > extra license, etc.
> >
> > I have this suspicion that if my office were down to six users, we could
> > comfortably own only 5 licenses. OK, maybe once a week we would need 6
for
> > about an hour. The problem is, I don't know how to prove that. Maybe,
in
> > my spare time, I'll teach myself enough application development skills
to
> > write a little program that polls the lan every 10 minutes to see how
many
> > instances of ACAD are running, and logs the data. Flex LM will tell you
how
> > many licenses are in use if you ask it, but it does not log the data.
> >
> > If someone who already has the skills to do so wants to create that
little
> > app, I'd love a copy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jim Lipsey" wrote in message
> > news:343AD9E87BBF03A4A6F98266FBC5F7A2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Our firm has just 6 CAD stations currently running R14, each w/ a
> > stand-alone license. We'll be
> > > upgrading to ADT3 before 01/2002, so if we begin using the LM I guess
> > that'd be the time to
> > > start. With all the confusion in the newsgroup, though, I'm not
convinced
> > that using either LM
> > > would benefit a network as small as ours.
> > >
> > > Is there a threshold below which is doesn't make sense to use ADLM?
> > >
> > >
> > > David Lewis wrote in message ...
> > > >We are considering switching from stand alone licenses to ADLM and I
was
> > wondering what the
> > > pro's and con's are from both the users and admin's point of view.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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