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Read only fun

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10-04-2001 06:17 AM
I started this thread in the R14 discussion group, and it was suggested
I move it here ....you can see some of the replies still in R14. The
original message is shown below (anyone have any clues? Thanks!):


One of our networked ACADR14 user's has run into an odd read-only
situation with files that he is working on. None of this involves a CD
or files from a CD, as some past messages have.

Whenever he tries to Save or QSave a file, or simply use the Open
command to go to another file, AutoCAD tells him that the drawing he is
in is read only and can not be saved. He has to do a Saveas, and keep
it under a new file name. This gets risky - as he constantly has to
make sure he is either renaming files and/or deleting duplicates.

What we've tried:

1. All types of drawings (i.e. with/without XREF's) - old, new, etc.
with the same result.

2. Working at a different computer. Didn't matter - the problem seems
to follow him. So I ruled out the system registry.

3. Reloaded his operating system profile - back from when we knew things
worked correctly (Monday) - which also didn't make a difference. So I'm
assuming it is not his operating system log in/profile.

4. Reviewed the ACAD knowledge base - which didn't appear to address
this issue except in a Unix environment (tried that resolution also -
with no luck).

5. Check all of his ACAD settings against other users in the office for
items such as demand loading, enable with copy, etc. - no difference.

6. Checked and reset all permissions on files and folders for the
program and project file locations - which didn't make a difference.

No other user in the office has had this problem - we run a simple WinNt
4.0/SP6a set up with ADLM. All ACAD files are on a network server,
except for the executable and a few other critical files which are on
local workstations. All project files are also on a server.

Anyone with any ideas on why one user consistently gets the read only
message when trying to exit a file (he does not receive it when opening
the drawing)?

Thanks for any help.

Tim
*martin, jason
Message 2 of 5 (93 Views)

Re: Read only fun

10-04-2001 06:17 AM in reply to: *TF
I've seen this happen with R14, but it is much more pronounced in A2k. Every time that
I've seen it in R14 it has been due to some customization (usually mine).

For example I once had about 2300 drawings (small blocks) that I had to go through and
modify the same thing over and over again (stuff like change the layer of all items to 0,
change the color to bylayer, etc). I wrote a little lisp routine to do what I wanted to 1
drawing, then packaged the whole thing in a big script (used dos dir *.dwg >mylist.txt,
imported that into excel, added columns for open fname lisp save, export to csv, replaced
all , with spaces, and renamed to scr) so that all of the files could be processed without
help from me. Well the script would run for a while and then it would hit me with a read
only. Almost never fail on the same file, never the same time span. I'd kill the script
and start it over, it would eventually fail. I tried it when the server was busy, I tried
it when no one else was on the server. I tried with no other apps open, I tried it with
almost all of my apps open (it actually had longer between failures this way, I think
because my machine was slower??) and it would still hit me with read-only errors.

Does this user have a special acad.lsp file, or special stuff in his startup? Does he use
more custom "shortcuts" than other users. Does he have a customized save or open command,
or is it the standard .save (have any commands been "re-defined")?

This is a "timing" problem in the way autocad saves to a file. I just don't think that
anyone has figured out exactly what part of the time it is yet?

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza

"TF" wrote in message news:3BBCD1F4.DCDE98C5@hobbs-black.com...
> I started this thread in the R14 discussion group, and it was suggested
> I move it here ....you can see some of the replies still in R14. The
> original message is shown below (anyone have any clues? Thanks!):
>
>
> One of our networked ACADR14 user's has run into an odd read-only
> situation with files that he is working on. None of this involves a CD
> or files from a CD, as some past messages have.
>
> Whenever he tries to Save or QSave a file, or simply use the Open
> command to go to another file, AutoCAD tells him that the drawing he is
> in is read only and can not be saved. He has to do a Saveas, and keep
> it under a new file name. This gets risky - as he constantly has to
> make sure he is either renaming files and/or deleting duplicates.
>
> What we've tried:
>
> 1. All types of drawings (i.e. with/without XREF's) - old, new, etc.
> with the same result.
>
> 2. Working at a different computer. Didn't matter - the problem seems
> to follow him. So I ruled out the system registry.
>
> 3. Reloaded his operating system profile - back from when we knew things
> worked correctly (Monday) - which also didn't make a difference. So I'm
> assuming it is not his operating system log in/profile.
>
> 4. Reviewed the ACAD knowledge base - which didn't appear to address
> this issue except in a Unix environment (tried that resolution also -
> with no luck).
>
> 5. Check all of his ACAD settings against other users in the office for
> items such as demand loading, enable with copy, etc. - no difference.
>
> 6. Checked and reset all permissions on files and folders for the
> program and project file locations - which didn't make a difference.
>
> No other user in the office has had this problem - we run a simple WinNt
> 4.0/SP6a set up with ADLM. All ACAD files are on a network server,
> except for the executable and a few other critical files which are on
> local workstations. All project files are also on a server.
>
> Anyone with any ideas on why one user consistently gets the read only
> message when trying to exit a file (he does not receive it when opening
> the drawing)?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
*TF
Message 3 of 5 (93 Views)

Re:

10-04-2001 11:29 PM in reply to: *TF
Jason -

Thanks for the reply - that's a logical scenario. But unfortunately it doesn't seem to apply
here. That user has all of the same customization, startup, defined commands, etc. as
everyone else in the office, and nothing has been added, altered, deleted, etc. If anything
had been changed on the system, it should have affected other people in some manner also. So
far, he is the only one.

Something, somewhere got changed - but I still can't figure out what it is. If you have any
other ideas, I'd love to hear them!

Thanks for the help.

Tim


jason martin wrote:

> I've seen this happen with R14, but it is much more pronounced in A2k. Every time that
> I've seen it in R14 it has been due to some customization (usually mine).
>
> For example I once had about 2300 drawings (small blocks) that I had to go through and
> modify the same thing over and over again (stuff like change the layer of all items to 0,
> change the color to bylayer, etc). I wrote a little lisp routine to do what I wanted to 1
> drawing, then packaged the whole thing in a big script (used dos dir *.dwg >mylist.txt,
> imported that into excel, added columns for open fname lisp save, export to csv, replaced
> all , with spaces, and renamed to scr) so that all of the files could be processed without
> help from me. Well the script would run for a while and then it would hit me with a read
> only. Almost never fail on the same file, never the same time span. I'd kill the script
> and start it over, it would eventually fail. I tried it when the server was busy, I tried
> it when no one else was on the server. I tried with no other apps open, I tried it with
> almost all of my apps open (it actually had longer between failures this way, I think
> because my machine was slower??) and it would still hit me with read-only errors.
>
> Does this user have a special acad.lsp file, or special stuff in his startup? Does he use
> more custom "shortcuts" than other users. Does he have a customized save or open command,
> or is it the standard .save (have any commands been "re-defined")?
>
> This is a "timing" problem in the way autocad saves to a file. I just don't think that
> anyone has figured out exactly what part of the time it is yet?
>
> jason martin
> frankfurt-short-bruza
>
> "TF" wrote in message news:3BBCD1F4.DCDE98C5@hobbs-black.com...
> > I started this thread in the R14 discussion group, and it was suggested
> > I move it here ....you can see some of the replies still in R14. The
> > original message is shown below (anyone have any clues? Thanks!):
> >
> >
> > One of our networked ACADR14 user's has run into an odd read-only
> > situation with files that he is working on. None of this involves a CD
> > or files from a CD, as some past messages have.
> >
> > Whenever he tries to Save or QSave a file, or simply use the Open
> > command to go to another file, AutoCAD tells him that the drawing he is
> > in is read only and can not be saved. He has to do a Saveas, and keep
> > it under a new file name. This gets risky - as he constantly has to
> > make sure he is either renaming files and/or deleting duplicates.
> >
> > What we've tried:
> >
> > 1. All types of drawings (i.e. with/without XREF's) - old, new, etc.
> > with the same result.
> >
> > 2. Working at a different computer. Didn't matter - the problem seems
> > to follow him. So I ruled out the system registry.
> >
> > 3. Reloaded his operating system profile - back from when we knew things
> > worked correctly (Monday) - which also didn't make a difference. So I'm
> > assuming it is not his operating system log in/profile.
> >
> > 4. Reviewed the ACAD knowledge base - which didn't appear to address
> > this issue except in a Unix environment (tried that resolution also -
> > with no luck).
> >
> > 5. Check all of his ACAD settings against other users in the office for
> > items such as demand loading, enable with copy, etc. - no difference.
> >
> > 6. Checked and reset all permissions on files and folders for the
> > program and project file locations - which didn't make a difference.
> >
> > No other user in the office has had this problem - we run a simple WinNt
> > 4.0/SP6a set up with ADLM. All ACAD files are on a network server,
> > except for the executable and a few other critical files which are on
> > local workstations. All project files are also on a server.
> >
> > Anyone with any ideas on why one user consistently gets the read only
> > message when trying to exit a file (he does not receive it when opening
> > the drawing)?
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
*Wui, Rex
Message 4 of 5 (93 Views)

Re: Read only fun

10-05-2001 12:49 AM in reply to: *TF
Hey TF,

Try this....Go to your file server.
Go to Control Panel -> Server.
Click on the 'In Use' button.
Scroll down and find the files that the user has open and click on 'Close
Resource' for each one.

Try opening the files again.

"TF" wrote in message
news:3BBCD1F4.DCDE98C5@hobbs-black.com...
> I started this thread in the R14 discussion group, and it was suggested
> I move it here ....you can see some of the replies still in R14. The
> original message is shown below (anyone have any clues? Thanks!):
>
>
> One of our networked ACADR14 user's has run into an odd read-only
> situation with files that he is working on. None of this involves a CD
> or files from a CD, as some past messages have.
>
> Whenever he tries to Save or QSave a file, or simply use the Open
> command to go to another file, AutoCAD tells him that the drawing he is
> in is read only and can not be saved. He has to do a Saveas, and keep
> it under a new file name. This gets risky - as he constantly has to
> make sure he is either renaming files and/or deleting duplicates.
>
> What we've tried:
>
> 1. All types of drawings (i.e. with/without XREF's) - old, new, etc.
> with the same result.
>
> 2. Working at a different computer. Didn't matter - the problem seems
> to follow him. So I ruled out the system registry.
>
> 3. Reloaded his operating system profile - back from when we knew things
> worked correctly (Monday) - which also didn't make a difference. So I'm
> assuming it is not his operating system log in/profile.
>
> 4. Reviewed the ACAD knowledge base - which didn't appear to address
> this issue except in a Unix environment (tried that resolution also -
> with no luck).
>
> 5. Check all of his ACAD settings against other users in the office for
> items such as demand loading, enable with copy, etc. - no difference.
>
> 6. Checked and reset all permissions on files and folders for the
> program and project file locations - which didn't make a difference.
>
> No other user in the office has had this problem - we run a simple WinNt
> 4.0/SP6a set up with ADLM. All ACAD files are on a network server,
> except for the executable and a few other critical files which are on
> local workstations. All project files are also on a server.
>
> Anyone with any ideas on why one user consistently gets the read only
> message when trying to exit a file (he does not receive it when opening
> the drawing)?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
*TF
Message 5 of 5 (93 Views)

Re:

10-05-2001 07:04 AM in reply to: *TF
Rex -

That looked like a good idea ... but the weird thing is that for that
particular user, the file he had open did not show up under the "in use"
button. For all other users their respective open file shows up. However,
for this user with the read only problem, the folder that he was working from
did show up under "in Use". I closed that out - used your directions, but it
still didn't help.

He can open any AutoCAD file, and it won't show up as an open resource - only
the path shows. But all other users have the file name showing. Go figure.

So ... I'm still stumped on this read-only problem!

Thanks for your help,

Tim


Rex Wui wrote:

> Hey TF,
>
> Try this....Go to your file server.
> Go to Control Panel -> Server.
> Click on the 'In Use' button.
> Scroll down and find the files that the user has open and click on 'Close
> Resource' for each one.
>
> Try opening the files again.
>
> "TF" wrote in message
> news:3BBCD1F4.DCDE98C5@hobbs-black.com...
> > I started this thread in the R14 discussion group, and it was suggested
> > I move it here ....you can see some of the replies still in R14. The
> > original message is shown below (anyone have any clues? Thanks!):
> >
> >
> > One of our networked ACADR14 user's has run into an odd read-only
> > situation with files that he is working on. None of this involves a CD
> > or files from a CD, as some past messages have.
> >
> > Whenever he tries to Save or QSave a file, or simply use the Open
> > command to go to another file, AutoCAD tells him that the drawing he is
> > in is read only and can not be saved. He has to do a Saveas, and keep
> > it under a new file name. This gets risky - as he constantly has to
> > make sure he is either renaming files and/or deleting duplicates.
> >
> > What we've tried:
> >
> > 1. All types of drawings (i.e. with/without XREF's) - old, new, etc.
> > with the same result.
> >
> > 2. Working at a different computer. Didn't matter - the problem seems
> > to follow him. So I ruled out the system registry.
> >
> > 3. Reloaded his operating system profile - back from when we knew things
> > worked correctly (Monday) - which also didn't make a difference. So I'm
> > assuming it is not his operating system log in/profile.
> >
> > 4. Reviewed the ACAD knowledge base - which didn't appear to address
> > this issue except in a Unix environment (tried that resolution also -
> > with no luck).
> >
> > 5. Check all of his ACAD settings against other users in the office for
> > items such as demand loading, enable with copy, etc. - no difference.
> >
> > 6. Checked and reset all permissions on files and folders for the
> > program and project file locations - which didn't make a difference.
> >
> > No other user in the office has had this problem - we run a simple WinNt
> > 4.0/SP6a set up with ADLM. All ACAD files are on a network server,
> > except for the executable and a few other critical files which are on
> > local workstations. All project files are also on a server.
> >
> > Anyone with any ideas on why one user consistently gets the read only
> > message when trying to exit a file (he does not receive it when opening
> > the drawing)?
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >

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