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*Josh
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Peer to peer or client/server

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06-08-2000 02:04 PM
Any ideas on which type of network is better for a small office (3 to 5
users) peer to peer or client server? Right now we are set up with peer to
peer. At what point is it better to go to a client/server setup?

Thanks
*Follmer, CJ
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Re: Peer to peer or client/server

06-08-2000 02:54 PM in reply to: *Josh
we currently have 6 pcs (3 workstations, 1 secretary, 1 file server, 1
secretary/print server). we use what is really a peer to peer but have the
one computer acting as a "file server" to hold all files. this allows us to
1. store all files in one location 2. backup them up easily, etc.

I intend to move us from our Lantastic network to windows 2000 sometime this
year but the setup will remain the same really since the server will still
just hold the files and spit them at us when we need them.

Client/server networks are better for large systems where you have the
network version of autocad and the server spits the application to you as
well as the dwg data. this is good so if you have 20 pc but only a 15
autocad licenses you can prevent illegal copies. It also good for bit
system updates etc.

for your size, i'd focus more on a peer-to-peer system but with a "file
server". this speeds up the system since a workstation doesn't need work
and give files to others.

hope that helps
cj

"Josh" wrote in message
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> Any ideas on which type of network is better for a small office (3 to 5
> users) peer to peer or client server? Right now we are set up with peer
to
> peer. At what point is it better to go to a client/server setup?
>
> Thanks
>
*Schroeder, Bud
Message 3 of 7 (90 Views)

Re: Peer to peer or client/server

06-08-2000 09:00 PM in reply to: *Josh
Hi Josh,

For me the magic number has always been 10 or more users. That is the cap on
peer to peer.

Take care.

Bud

Josh wrote:

> Any ideas on which type of network is better for a small office (3 to 5
> users) peer to peer or client server? Right now we are set up with peer to
> peer. At what point is it better to go to a client/server setup?
>
> Thanks
*Wedding, James
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06-09-2000 06:13 AM in reply to: *Josh
> Client/server networks are better for large systems where you have the
> network version of autocad and the server spits the application to you as
> well as the dwg data. this is good so if you have 20 pc but only a 15
> autocad licenses you can prevent illegal copies. It also good for bit
> system updates etc.
While this is true, I wouldn't try and run any ADesk product from the server
unless you're buying one horse of a server. Use a NT network with local
installs of the software and server licensing. That's been great for us, we
pulled out of peer-to-peer at about 15 users. Just made more sense to have
one file/license server.

Good luck!--
James Wedding, E.I.T.
Jones & Boyd, Inc.
Dallas, TX

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*Nehls, Kevin
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06-09-2000 01:06 PM in reply to: *Josh
James,

I'm trying to decide whether or not that is the way I want to go on my
network. We have 9 seats of AutoCAD and are in the process of upgrading
from R12 to 2000. Currently R12 is installed on the network with the
clients accessing that install. I have tested 2000 in both environments
(local and network installs), and the performance hit on a 100 Mbs network
is barely noticeably between a local install and a network install. Could
you please share with me what kind of problems (if any) you have had with
clients messing around with their local installs, changing files, modifying
lisp routines, etc.? Also, what kind of administrative headaches (if any)
have you ran into? Do you just take a copy of a local Acad.lsp and
Acaddoc.lsp and move them to the server, modify them as you need for your
organization, and have that path listed before any of the others in the
support paths?

Thanks.

--
Kevin Nehls
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James Wedding wrote in message ...
>> Client/server networks are better for large systems where you have the
>> network version of autocad and the server spits the application to you as
>> well as the dwg data. this is good so if you have 20 pc but only a 15
>> autocad licenses you can prevent illegal copies. It also good for bit
>> system updates etc.
>While this is true, I wouldn't try and run any ADesk product from the
server
>unless you're buying one horse of a server. Use a NT network with local
>installs of the software and server licensing. That's been great for us, we
>pulled out of peer-to-peer at about 15 users. Just made more sense to have
>one file/license server.
>
>Good luck!--
>James Wedding, E.I.T.
>Jones & Boyd, Inc.
>Dallas, TX
>
>Remove NOSPAM for reply
>
*Wedding, James
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06-09-2000 02:12 PM in reply to: *Josh
For the most part, I just make them runa batch file that searches for the
new acaddoc.lsp and copies it to their local support path. I tell them all
my cool new routines won't work unless they run the batch file I mail them
first. TAkes care of most things. People screwing up toolbars and the like
is about the worst problems I have, but I just don't think that's too bad.

As far as the install location, I wouldn't worry too much about the
performance hit on the local machine, I'd be more worried about what happens
to my server when all 20 users are up and accessing the program at once.

HTH, but I am just a hack at this...--
James Wedding, E.I.T.
Jones & Boyd, Inc.
Dallas, TX

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"Kevin Nehls" wrote in message
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> James,
>
> I'm trying to decide whether or not that is the way I want to go on my
> network. We have 9 seats of AutoCAD and are in the process of upgrading
> from R12 to 2000. Currently R12 is installed on the network with the
> clients accessing that install. I have tested 2000 in both environments
> (local and network installs), and the performance hit on a 100 Mbs network
> is barely noticeably between a local install and a network install. Could
> you please share with me what kind of problems (if any) you have had with
> clients messing around with their local installs, changing files,
modifying
> lisp routines, etc.? Also, what kind of administrative headaches (if any)
> have you ran into? Do you just take a copy of a local Acad.lsp and
> Acaddoc.lsp and move them to the server, modify them as you need for your
> organization, and have that path listed before any of the others in the
> support paths?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Kevin Nehls
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> James Wedding wrote in message ...
> >> Client/server networks are better for large systems where you have the
> >> network version of autocad and the server spits the application to you
as
> >> well as the dwg data. this is good so if you have 20 pc but only a 15
> >> autocad licenses you can prevent illegal copies. It also good for bit
> >> system updates etc.
> >While this is true, I wouldn't try and run any ADesk product from the
> server
> >unless you're buying one horse of a server. Use a NT network with local
> >installs of the software and server licensing. That's been great for us,
we
> >pulled out of peer-to-peer at about 15 users. Just made more sense to
have
> >one file/license server.
> >
> >Good luck!--
> >James Wedding, E.I.T.
> >Jones & Boyd, Inc.
> >Dallas, TX
> >
> >Remove NOSPAM for reply
> >
>
*Nehls, Kevin
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06-09-2000 02:59 PM in reply to: *Josh
NT server with today's hardware should handle 20 users with no problem.
Anyhow, I've only got 13 users to share 9 licensees so I don't really have
to worry too much about it. I will also not have to be sharing this
"AutoCAD server" with any other resources on the network as we are going to
get a new server just for AutoCAD. :smileyhappy:

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Kevin Nehls
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James Wedding wrote in message ...
>For the most part, I just make them runa batch file that searches for the
>new acaddoc.lsp and copies it to their local support path. I tell them all
>my cool new routines won't work unless they run the batch file I mail them
>first. TAkes care of most things. People screwing up toolbars and the like
>is about the worst problems I have, but I just don't think that's too bad.
>
>As far as the install location, I wouldn't worry too much about the
>performance hit on the local machine, I'd be more worried about what
happens
>to my server when all 20 users are up and accessing the program at once.
>
>HTH, but I am just a hack at this...--
>James Wedding, E.I.T.
>Jones & Boyd, Inc.
>Dallas, TX
>
>Remove NOSPAM for reply
>
>"Kevin Nehls" wrote in message
>news:ef20f25.3@WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
>> James,
>>
>> I'm trying to decide whether or not that is the way I want to go on my
>> network. We have 9 seats of AutoCAD and are in the process of upgrading
>> from R12 to 2000. Currently R12 is installed on the network with the
>> clients accessing that install. I have tested 2000 in both environments
>> (local and network installs), and the performance hit on a 100 Mbs
network
>> is barely noticeably between a local install and a network install.
Could
>> you please share with me what kind of problems (if any) you have had with
>> clients messing around with their local installs, changing files,
>modifying
>> lisp routines, etc.? Also, what kind of administrative headaches (if
any)
>> have you ran into? Do you just take a copy of a local Acad.lsp and
>> Acaddoc.lsp and move them to the server, modify them as you need for your
>> organization, and have that path listed before any of the others in the
>> support paths?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Nehls
>> remove -ns- for direct reply
>> James Wedding wrote in message ...
>> >> Client/server networks are better for large systems where you have the
>> >> network version of autocad and the server spits the application to you
>as
>> >> well as the dwg data. this is good so if you have 20 pc but only a 15
>> >> autocad licenses you can prevent illegal copies. It also good for bit
>> >> system updates etc.
>> >While this is true, I wouldn't try and run any ADesk product from the
>> server
>> >unless you're buying one horse of a server. Use a NT network with local
>> >installs of the software and server licensing. That's been great for us,
>we
>> >pulled out of peer-to-peer at about 15 users. Just made more sense to
>have
>> >one file/license server.
>> >
>> >Good luck!--
>> >James Wedding, E.I.T.
>> >Jones & Boyd, Inc.
>> >Dallas, TX
>> >
>> >Remove NOSPAM for reply
>> >
>>
>

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