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*A, Ed
Message 1 of 6 (75 Views)

MS or Novell

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03-17-2000 10:38 AM
Hi -

General question: I may be in the position of recommending a choice of NOS
for an engineering company that is not presently networked, and who uses
AutoCAD (R14 at present). The Acad installations will probably continue to
be non-network version.

All things being equal, I like NetWare better because (please correct me
where I'm wrong): it's more open-standards-based, leaner-and-meaner, they
implement useful new technologies sooner, I don't like having Microsoft
rammed down my throat, and ... well ... I'm a CNE. But, given how tightly
Autodesk is embracing Microsoft, no doubt there are reasons to use NT or
Windows 2000 Server. Actually, my experience level with Novell and MS is
pretty even, so that's not an issue (and shouldn't be).

Please give me some intelligent arguments each way!

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*A, Ed
Message 2 of 6 (75 Views)

Re: MS or Novell

03-17-2000 10:48 AM in reply to: *A, Ed
Maybe I should add that, either way, I'll be recommending pure IP on
100BaseT, probably 3com hardware. No legacy network hardware!

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Ed A ............ x11@uswest.net
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*Milana, Jerry
Message 3 of 6 (75 Views)

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03-17-2000 02:17 PM in reply to: *A, Ed
Ed,

As an Autodesk employee I am prohibited in voicing opinion on third
party products on this site.

As far as Novell goes, however, it will not work for AutoCAD in a "pure
IP" network. The Netware version of our license manager only works with
the IPX protocol. If you want a pure IP network, AdLM will have to run
on a Windows 95, 98, NT 4 or 2000 system.

Jerry Milana,
Autodesk Product Support

Ed A wrote:

> Maybe I should add that, either way, I'll be recommending pure IP on
> 100BaseT, probably 3com hardware. No legacy network hardware!
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*A, Ed
Message 4 of 6 (75 Views)

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03-17-2000 02:53 PM in reply to: *A, Ed
Glad you mentioned that. Even though I doubt we'll use the network version
of AutoCAD, it's still a consideration. This seems to happen with NetWare.
They come out with a nice new feature that you want to use, but you can't
because other software or hardware doesn't handle it yet.

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*Blanchard, Chris
Message 5 of 6 (75 Views)

Re: MS or Novell

03-21-2000 06:17 AM in reply to: *A, Ed
We've been running AutoCAD on Netware for 6 years. Started with AutoCAD 11
on Netware 3.12. Upgraded to AutoCAD R14 and Netware 5 about a year ago.
Running Win98 on the PCs, also win 95 on non-autocad stations. Initial set
up was agonizing but our Network consultant did not know autocad. Once it
was set up ran great. Latest installation is much better. Plotting to HP
1050C with Jetdirect card. The network is as solid as a rock (Compaq
Proliant Server) We do have recurring issues I chase when I find the time
but to date don't know if its a Windows, AutoCAD, Novell, or hardware
problem.

1. One user out of our six saves an AutoCAD drawing then can't call it back
up. It is corrupted, the error is "unhandled access violation exception @
418500h". This has happend to 4 drawings in the last 9 months. Drawing
recovery techniques don't bring back the whole drawing.

2. All users have occasionally crashed (black screen with green line across
the top) when plotting. Most frequently they are plotting several drawings
in succession. Sometimes its only one. Must reboot to continue.

My experience with Win 3.1, and 95 over the years made me wary of putting
Microsoft on our server. I've never had to reboot the Novell server, Every
PC we have needs a re-boot weekly.

Ed A wrote in message
news:8atu7i$1kk30@adesknews2.autodesk.com...
> Hi -
>
> General question: I may be in the position of recommending a choice of
NOS
> for an engineering company that is not presently networked, and who uses
> AutoCAD (R14 at present). The Acad installations will probably continue
to
> be non-network version.
>
> All things being equal, I like NetWare better because (please correct me
> where I'm wrong): it's more open-standards-based, leaner-and-meaner, they
> implement useful new technologies sooner, I don't like having Microsoft
> rammed down my throat, and ... well ... I'm a CNE. But, given how tightly
> Autodesk is embracing Microsoft, no doubt there are reasons to use NT or
> Windows 2000 Server. Actually, my experience level with Novell and MS is
> pretty even, so that's not an issue (and shouldn't be).
>
> Please give me some intelligent arguments each way!
>
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> Ed A ............ x11@uswest.net
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>
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 6 of 6 (75 Views)

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03-21-2000 07:46 AM in reply to: *A, Ed
Chris Blanchard wrote in message <8b80gt$14c16@adesknews2.autodesk.com>...
>We've been running AutoCAD on Netware for 6 years. Started with AutoCAD 11
>on Netware 3.12. Upgraded to AutoCAD R14 and Netware 5 about a year ago.
>Running Win98 on the PCs, also win 95 on non-autocad stations. Initial set
>up was agonizing but our Network consultant did not know autocad. Once it
>was set up ran great. Latest installation is much better. Plotting to HP
>1050C with Jetdirect card. The network is as solid as a rock (Compaq
>Proliant Server) We do have recurring issues I chase when I find the time
>but to date don't know if its a Windows, AutoCAD, Novell, or hardware
>problem.
>
>1. One user out of our six saves an AutoCAD drawing then can't call it
back
>up. It is corrupted, the error is "unhandled access violation exception @
>418500h". This has happend to 4 drawings in the last 9 months. Drawing
>recovery techniques don't bring back the whole drawing.
>
>2. All users have occasionally crashed (black screen with green line
across
>the top) when plotting. Most frequently they are plotting several drawings
>in succession. Sometimes its only one. Must reboot to continue.
>
>My experience with Win 3.1, and 95 over the years made me wary of putting
>Microsoft on our server. I've never had to reboot the Novell server, Every
>PC we have needs a re-boot weekly.
>

NT server and workstation are extremely stable (just as stable as NetWare).
The only time that our servers need a reboot is when we add new software, or
change the configuration, they have never crashed. It's the consumer
versions of Windows 3.x and 9x that have the stability issues.

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Kevin Nehls
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