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MatthiasFostel
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Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

04-20-2012 02:57 PM in reply to: TravisNave

Creating a share per installation is erroneous and ridiculous. The issue isn't the customer producing pathes too long, it's the fact Autodesk is producing pathes too long.

 

In our case, putting the installation folder to a share would only save 19 characters of 255 (bypassing two folders), or less than 7% of the characters.

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GrantCollins
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Message 22 of 40 (664 Views)

Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

04-20-2012 03:29 PM in reply to: MatthiasFostel

I completey agree, cause even myself i think i save 12 characters by shoretning it

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TravisNave
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Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

04-20-2012 03:46 PM in reply to: bryce.thelin
Semantics. So long as you're not 1 character over 255, you're fine. That accounts for 1/255th of the maximum path size. If you can save 7% then you're already 18x better than meeting the limit.

Seems that this is always only a problem with unnecessarily long shares. Otherwise everybody would have this problem. Yes, I agree that some of these long filenames are ridiculous. But it is what it is. You wouldn't create a share name of 243 characters and complain to Microsoft for creating long filename support over 8.3 conventions, so stop creating unnecessary folders as part of your UNC when it is irrelevant.
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kudzuman
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Message 24 of 40 (643 Views)

Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

05-01-2012 07:31 AM in reply to: TravisNave

I tried these 2 paths for the 3DS Max Design 2013 AdminImage folder location of which the first failed and the second succeeded:
\\server1\info-sys\IS\Software\Autodesk\3dsMaxDesign\2013
\\server1\info-sys\IS\Software\Autodesk\3MD\2013

 

The first is 58 characters and the second 49.
So for those of you installing 3DS Max Design, you can use at least 49 characters to designate where your AdminImage folder is but 58 is right out.

 

So Travis, you are saying I should do this:
\\server\Autocad
\\server\AutoTurn
\\server\ScriptPro
\\server\RevitArchitecture
\\server\RevitStructure
\\server\RevitMEP
\\server\RevitWorksharingMonitor
\\server\RevitImaginitUtilities
\\server\RevitModelExplorer
\\server\RevitSTLExporter
\\server\NavisWorksManage
\\server\3DSMaxDesign
\\server\Ecotect
\\server\CFDesign
\\server\DesignReview
\\server\TrueView
\\server\SiteWorksforRevit

 

\\server\IESVE-Pro
\\server\IESVE-Gaia
\\server\CreativeSuites
\\server\AcrobatPro
\\server\MicrosoftOffice
\\server\...

 

But really the paths are longer because I have to include the product's year as a subdirectory (+5 characters) or multiply the number of shares with the year as part of the name (+4 characters).
So is this long list of shares an advantage over browsing through a logical hierarchy of subfolders like \\server\software\company\product\year? (This doesn't get anywhere near 243 characters as you are implying some of us doing. It probably could be done in less than 75 but the 50 Autodesk gives is tight.)

 

When Autodesk creates file names like "Create Universal Constraint - PxCreateUniversalConstraintMS_PhysX - 32.png" (75 characters where 1/2 are repetative) and uses the exact same name for both a child and parent folder like "...\Essential_Skills_Movies\3dsMax_Design_2013\de-DE\html\essential_skills_movies\...), it makes us feel like Lucky in the desert getting 1 drop of water and then seeing his Amigo Dusty spill water all over his face, gargle and spit it out, and throw his canteen away spilling the rest of the water on the parched ground. And then, Travis, you offer us Lip Balm. We appreciate your suggestions and will use them but Autodesk needs to not be so wasteful of the 256 character resource and at least publish how many characters they used up so we know what we have left to work with. Or even better they should establish a standard character limit they do not go beyond so we can standardize our install folder structures.

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Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

05-01-2012 08:21 AM in reply to: kudzuman

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying to do.  And that is what I do - thus I have never had any of these problems.  I agree that the Autodesk filenames are long and ridiculous and they need to be changed.  But it is what it is.  This is how to get your deployments working.  Whether you have one share with multiple folders to traverse inside, or multiple shares for all the products, it's all the same.  One way works, the other doesn't. 

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kudzuman
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Message 26 of 40 (633 Views)

Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

05-01-2012 08:38 AM in reply to: MatthiasFostel

Actually both work, just 1 won't work if you go beyond a certain character limit like 50.

I like the heirachy better than your suggestion though because we have numerous software and in that case a flat system is more confusing than a heirarchy. We will just have to stay under 50 characters, which is doable but with extra attention required.

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Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

05-01-2012 08:53 AM in reply to: kudzuman

The heirarchy can exist in the same physical folder fashion, just share the last folder with the name.  Whether you go to a server and drill down thru multiple folders, or go to a server and see a list of shares, the result is the same.  If I wanted to install AutoCAD 2013, I could go to \\servername and then locate the \ACAD2k13 folder.  Or I could go to \\servername and then find \APPS\ and then find \Autodesk\ and then find \AutoCAD\ and then find \2013\.  Personally, \\servername\sharename makes more sense and it easier.  It could still exist at D:\Apps\Autodesk\AutoCAD\2013, but just share out the last folder and send the link out to your users. 

 

It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.  I mean, it's all how you look at it.  Ultimately, the filepath length needs to be addressed. But as for now, this is all we can do as a work-around. 

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Message 28 of 40 (503 Views)

Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

08-09-2012 11:33 AM in reply to: TravisNave

It is 6 of one, half a dozen the other, yes.  But as you say it's a matter of perspective.  I don't think anyone wants to add their 2 cents to debate with you but to voice their frustration at Autodesk in a public format.  As you conceded, there IS a problem with filename length in Autodesk products that exacerbate this situation... so, here we are... people are letting Autodesk know how frustrating it is.  Can't it just be left at that?

 

 

 

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Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

08-09-2012 11:41 AM in reply to: mbhame

True, but at the same time, how is it any better for the end user to create a folder structure that consists of multiple characters and many levels deep?  I agree that there are some Autodesk filenames that are simply too long, but I also see that too many end users are creating filepaths that are also too long.  Thus, the only recourse for this instance, until Autodesk creates smaller filenames in subsequent releases, is simply to create short share paths.  Arguing beyond this point is moot.

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Re: Error 1304 or 2350 When Creating a Deployment for Autodesk 2011 Products

08-09-2012 12:37 PM in reply to: TravisNave

But we are the ones paying for the software. If we want to have it on a server with a single share that is catagorized and sorted by a folder tree we should be able to.

When you buy a car no one tells you that you can only drive it when you wear blue pants and a hat.

You have an opinion about how folder structures should be created, thats fine but it has NOTHING to do with this conversation. The point here is that the way they have created the software is limiting us and we would like them to correct that.

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