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*Nehls, Kevin
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Citrix Server???

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03-20-2001 03:15 AM
I know that this is not currently supported by Autodesk. I also keep
hearing from Autodesk that it violates the license agreement. Can someone
please show me in the EULA where this would be a violation of?

Here is part of the EULA where it discusses the Network Version. My take on
this is the a terminal server environment does not violate the agreement.
Note: "you may install and operate this Software on a single server computer
in a single location which may be accessed by other computers..." This
sound just like a terminal server to me. It does, however, specifically say
that you may only run it over a LAN. So your WANs, VPN connections, etc all
violate the EULA.


Network Version: If this Software is a Network Version, you may use it only
over an internal [local] area network environment with the Autodesk License
Manager tool, and you may install and operate the Software on a single
server computer in a single location which may be accessed by other
computers, or on an individual computer, as a multiple-user installation
with either:

(i) the maximum number of concurrent users being one (1), so that multiple
individuals may access or use the Software, but that only one person at a
time may do so, or

(ii) the maximum number of concurrent users being more than one (1), in
which case you must purchase single seat licenses for each additional
concurrent user.

Use of software or any device that reduces the number of computers/devices
which access the Software when used in a Server configuration may affect the
performance of the Software and does not reduce the number of single seat
licenses required.


--
Kevin Nehls
for direct reply, substitute the obvious with the obvious
*martin, jason
Message 2 of 6 (129 Views)

Re: Citrix Server???

03-20-2001 04:11 AM in reply to: *Nehls, Kevin
Kevin -
I know very little about how terminal server's actually work. This is my interpretation
of how they work in my head and how it violates the license agreement. Your quotes from
the eula are very good and I actually think that autodesk would have a hard time trying to
nail you on running acad on terminal server, but here's my interpretation of how it works.

First case -
Local Install. Let's say that you install acad on the terminal server using a local
install (non adlm). In this case you don't (in my opinion) fall under the category of a
network installation and the following sentence applies (from the eula)

This License Agreement permits a single user to install and use the Software on only one
computer at one location at any one time.

In the case that more than one user of the terminal server has sufficient access
privileges to run autocad this is a violation. This is the same as installing a single
stand alone license on all of the computers. The eula allows 1 additional copy, but has
very specific terms for the copy and I don't think that this meets them.

Second case
Network Install. Let's say that you use a client deployment (or network deployment, it
really doesn't matter) to install acad on the ts and use adlm to license it. Let's then
say that 2 users launch acad on the ts. How many licenses are pulled? Just 1. The adlm
(client) doesn't have the technology to request another license on terminal server. As
you indicate in your quote from the eula, if you have enough licenses, you're okay. If
you actually have the number of licenses that you should and can document that through the
environment settings on the ts and not allowing other machines to access the adlm, you
could probably get away with using terminal server. In the only software audit that I've
been involved with it was up to us to show that we were compliant rather than up to the
software vendor to show that we were out of compliance, so documentation of what you have,
as well as what you use becomes the real key.

mho

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza
"Kevin Nehls" wrote in message
news:CDFBDA930D6E4D9E54FCAB5165E4D791@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I know that this is not currently supported by Autodesk. I also keep
> hearing from Autodesk that it violates the license agreement. Can someone
> please show me in the EULA where this would be a violation of?
>
> Here is part of the EULA where it discusses the Network Version. My take on
> this is the a terminal server environment does not violate the agreement.
> Note: "you may install and operate this Software on a single server computer
> in a single location which may be accessed by other computers..." This
> sound just like a terminal server to me. It does, however, specifically say
> that you may only run it over a LAN. So your WANs, VPN connections, etc all
> violate the EULA.
>
>
> Network Version: If this Software is a Network Version, you may use it only
> over an internal [local] area network environment with the Autodesk License
> Manager tool, and you may install and operate the Software on a single
> server computer in a single location which may be accessed by other
> computers, or on an individual computer, as a multiple-user installation
> with either:
>
> (i) the maximum number of concurrent users being one (1), so that multiple
> individuals may access or use the Software, but that only one person at a
> time may do so, or
>
> (ii) the maximum number of concurrent users being more than one (1), in
> which case you must purchase single seat licenses for each additional
> concurrent user.
>
> Use of software or any device that reduces the number of computers/devices
> which access the Software when used in a Server configuration may affect the
> performance of the Software and does not reduce the number of single seat
> licenses required.
>

>
> --
> Kevin Nehls
> for direct reply, substitute the obvious with the obvious
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 3 of 6 (129 Views)

Re:

03-20-2001 04:27 AM in reply to: *Nehls, Kevin
See comments questions below:

"jason martin" wrote in message
news:28484DABB0E023DA082AC5E1316F77B6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| First case -
| Local Install. Let's say that you install acad on the terminal server
using a local
| install (non adlm). In this case you don't (in my opinion) fall under the
category of a
| network installation and the following sentence applies (from the eula)

I agree 100% with this. I'm concerned/curious about the network
version of acad.

| Second case
| Network Install. Let's say that you use a client deployment (or network
deployment, it
| really doesn't matter) to install acad on the ts and use adlm to license
it. Let's then
| say that 2 users launch acad on the ts. How many licenses are pulled?
Just 1. The adlm
| (client) doesn't have the technology to request another license on
terminal server. As
| you indicate in your quote from the eula, if you have enough licenses,
you're okay. If
| you actually have the number of licenses that you should and can document
that through the
| environment settings on the ts and not allowing other machines to access
the adlm, you
| could probably get away with using terminal server. In the only software
audit that I've
| been involved with it was up to us to show that we were compliant rather
than up to the
| software vendor to show that we were out of compliance, so documentation
of what you have,
| as well as what you use becomes the real key.

Are you sure that 2 users running AutoCAD within their own
profile/desktop on Citrix Metaframe at the same time would only pull 1
license from the AdLM server? If this is the case then I can easily see
where this to would violate the EULA. However, if this is not the case and
2 licenses are actually pulled from the AdLM, then how in the world would
this not violate the EULA? I can see other problems that could pop up.
Even though each client (thin or not) would have a separate NIC (with MAC
address), a separate IP, as well as a separate machine name, the software is
still actually being run on one computer (or more if in a cluster) not
matter how many users are using it.

You do bring up good points as well. Hopefully Jerry will chime in here to
give us both a better explaination on this. I would like to learn more of
how AutoCAD works in a networked environment.

Thanks Jason,
Kevin
*martin, jason
Message 4 of 6 (129 Views)

Re:

03-20-2001 04:44 AM in reply to: *Nehls, Kevin

>
> Are you sure that 2 users running AutoCAD within their own
> profile/desktop on Citrix Metaframe at the same time would only pull 1
> license from the AdLM server? If this is the case then I can easily see
> where this to would violate the EULA. However, if this is not the case and
> 2 licenses are actually pulled from the AdLM, then how in the world would
> this not violate the EULA? I can see other problems that could pop up.
> Even though each client (thin or not) would have a separate NIC (with MAC
> address), a separate IP, as well as a separate machine name, the software is
> still actually being run on one computer (or more if in a cluster) not
> matter how many users are using it.


No I'm not. I'm a citrix idiot. Never worked on one...Never set one up...I saw one once,
so I do believe that they exist, but it didn't help my understanding of them.
If each "session" on the ts does actually pull a license of autocad I wouldn't think that
autodesk would have a problems with it. That's why I think that it probably doesn't.

jason
*martin, jason
Message 5 of 6 (129 Views)

Re:

03-29-2001 11:57 PM in reply to: *Nehls, Kevin
I have confirmed with a reliable source that the adlm running on a citrix server will only
pull 1 license no matter how many users run autocad. There is no way for you to track
usage on the server.

jason
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 6 of 6 (129 Views)

Re:

03-30-2001 12:20 AM in reply to: *Nehls, Kevin
Ah. OK, that makes sense. Now, why in the world couldn't Autodesk just
told us that this is what it did?

Thanks for the info Jason. Guess we'll keep acad off of Citrix until it is
finally supported by adesk.

--
Kevin
I intend to live forever-so far, so good.

"jason martin" wrote in message
news:5F557E2CBD40794E312950C8750CC6A8@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| I have confirmed with a reliable source that the adlm running on a citrix
server will only
| pull 1 license no matter how many users run autocad. There is no way for
you to track
| usage on the server.
|
| jason
|

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