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*Donahue, Mike
Message 1 of 9 (92 Views)

Adlm over WAN

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04-16-2001 09:06 AM
A few questions, please -
is anyone running adlm pooled licenses over a WAN? are the bandwidth
requirements heavy?
is running adlm over an international WAN a violation of the license
agreement?

TIA,

Mike
*martin, jason
Message 2 of 9 (92 Views)

Re: Adlm over WAN

04-17-2001 12:22 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Mike -
According to the license agreement it's a violation of the license agreement to run the
adlm over any type of wan.


Network Version: If this Software is a Network Version, you may use it only over an
internal [local] area network environment with the Autodesk License Manager tool, and you
may install and operate the Software on a single server computer in a single location
which may be accessed by other computers, or on an individual computer, as a multiple-user
installation with either:

(i) the maximum number of concurrent users being one (1), so that multiple individuals may
access or use the Software, but that only one person at a time may do so, or

(ii) the maximum number of concurrent users being more than one (1), in which case you
must purchase single seat licenses for each additional concurrent user.

That doesn't mean that it won't work. Bandwidth is minimal, but the connectivity
has to be good as udp is used (specifically udp 1422), which has no delivery guarantee.

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza

"Mike Donahue" wrote in message
news:8AE8F7F971BE98673DB3823460A7F6A5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> A few questions, please -
> is anyone running adlm pooled licenses over a WAN? are the bandwidth
> requirements heavy?
> is running adlm over an international WAN a violation of the license
> agreement?
>
> TIA,
>
> Mike
>
*Donahue, Mike
Message 3 of 9 (92 Views)

Re:

04-17-2001 03:31 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Jason, thank you for the information. I'm wondering (and please forgive my
ignorance) if when they say "Network Version", they are referring to a
network installation vs. client-side. Is this possible?
TIA,


"jason martin" wrote in message
news:E4C11A6B6EB555693C8092393B4921A2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Mike -
> According to the license agreement it's a violation of the license
agreement to run the
> adlm over any type of wan.
>
>
> Network Version: If this Software is a Network Version, you may use it
only over an
> internal [local] area network environment with the Autodesk License
Manager tool, and you
> may install and operate the Software on a single server computer in a
single location
> which may be accessed by other computers, or on an individual computer, as
a multiple-user
> installation with either:
>
> (i) the maximum number of concurrent users being one (1), so that multiple
individuals may
> access or use the Software, but that only one person at a time may do so,
or
>
> (ii) the maximum number of concurrent users being more than one (1), in
which case you
> must purchase single seat licenses for each additional concurrent user.
>
> That doesn't mean that it won't work. Bandwidth is minimal, but the
connectivity
> has to be good as udp is used (specifically udp 1422), which has no
delivery guarantee.
>
> jason martin
> frankfurt-short-bruza
>
> "Mike Donahue" wrote in message
> news:8AE8F7F971BE98673DB3823460A7F6A5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > A few questions, please -
> > is anyone running adlm pooled licenses over a WAN? are the bandwidth
> > requirements heavy?
> > is running adlm over an international WAN a violation of the license
> > agreement?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
*martin, jason
Message 4 of 9 (92 Views)

Re:

04-17-2001 04:53 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Mike -

Danger: This is my interpretation only. If the autodesk lawyers call, a valid argument is
NOT " but jason said so..."

I'd recommend that you contact your reseller for a more "official" interpretation.

I classify the client deployment as a network version because I can't classify it as the
"standard" installation.
A sentence from the "standard" version agreement reads
This License Agreement permits a single user to install and use the Software on only one
computer at one location at any one time.

and since I definitely can't meet that requirement (either with a client deployment or a
network deployment) I classify both the client and network deployment as "network version"
as defined in the eula (Since it's not Educational, Eval, Backup or additional...).

Disclaimer: The above post is the ramblings of someone who is not a lawyer and does not in
any way shape or form represent autodesk. Anything written, said or even thought by the
person and or persons (the voices in my head...) who composed this post should be
considered conjecture and rumor only.

jason martin
frankfurt-short-bruza

"Mike Donahue" wrote in message
news:2493C2503FC60D25F242AC92333EEDF1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jason, thank you for the information. I'm wondering (and please forgive my
> ignorance) if when they say "Network Version", they are referring to a
> network installation vs. client-side. Is this possible?
> TIA,
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 5 of 9 (92 Views)

Re:

04-17-2001 05:53 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Mike,

"Network Version" means that this version of AutoCAD uses a license manager.
So you can install AutoCAD from a network deployment on 100 computers, but
if you only have 50 licenses then only 50 people can use it at a time. This
is great for companies becuase you now have floating licenses.

We have 15 users and only 9 licenses. Using the network version of AutoCAD
has saved us over $20,000.

The network version can be either have a full install on the client (fast
and effecient) or have a network heavy install (a little slower, not as
effecient, and 1 more install of AutoCAD to maintain and apply updates to).

HTH
Kevin

"Mike Donahue" wrote in message
news:2493C2503FC60D25F242AC92333EEDF1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jason, thank you for the information. I'm wondering (and please forgive
my
> ignorance) if when they say "Network Version", they are referring to a
> network installation vs. client-side. Is this possible?
> TIA,
>
>
> "jason martin" wrote in message
> news:E4C11A6B6EB555693C8092393B4921A2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Mike -
> > According to the license agreement it's a violation of the license
> agreement to run the
> > adlm over any type of wan.
> >
> >
> > Network Version: If this Software is a Network Version, you may use it
> only over an
> > internal [local] area network environment with the Autodesk License
> Manager tool, and you
> > may install and operate the Software on a single server computer in a
> single location
> > which may be accessed by other computers, or on an individual computer,
as
> a multiple-user
> > installation with either:
> >
> > (i) the maximum number of concurrent users being one (1), so that
multiple
> individuals may
> > access or use the Software, but that only one person at a time may do
so,
> or
> >
> > (ii) the maximum number of concurrent users being more than one (1), in
> which case you
> > must purchase single seat licenses for each additional concurrent user.
> >
> > That doesn't mean that it won't work. Bandwidth is minimal, but
the
> connectivity
> > has to be good as udp is used (specifically udp 1422), which has no
> delivery guarantee.
> >
> > jason martin
> > frankfurt-short-bruza
> >
> > "Mike Donahue" wrote in message
> > news:8AE8F7F971BE98673DB3823460A7F6A5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > A few questions, please -
> > > is anyone running adlm pooled licenses over a WAN? are the bandwidth
> > > requirements heavy?
> > > is running adlm over an international WAN a violation of the license
> > > agreement?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
*Donahue, Mike
Message 6 of 9 (92 Views)

Re:

04-18-2001 07:33 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Jason, I'm not sure about your last statement; "Jason told me I could"
sounds like an extremely effective legal argument, much along the lines of
"if the glove does not fit, you must acquit". Thank you for your
non-binding input. I appreciate it.

Mike

"jason martin" wrote in message
news:85EFA0D48A0FB53D84F4420E9D00DFCC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Mike -
>
> Danger: This is my interpretation only. If the autodesk lawyers call, a
valid argument is
> NOT " but jason said so..."
>
> I'd recommend that you contact your reseller for a more "official"
interpretation.
>
> I classify the client deployment as a network version because I can't
classify it as the
> "standard" installation.
> A sentence from the "standard" version agreement reads
> This License Agreement permits a single user to install and use the
Software on only one
> computer at one location at any one time.
>
> and since I definitely can't meet that requirement (either with a client
deployment or a
> network deployment) I classify both the client and network deployment as
"network version"
> as defined in the eula (Since it's not Educational, Eval, Backup or
additional...).
>
> Disclaimer: The above post is the ramblings of someone who is not a lawyer
and does not in
> any way shape or form represent autodesk. Anything written, said or even
thought by the
> person and or persons (the voices in my head...) who composed this post
should be
> considered conjecture and rumor only.
>
> jason martin
> frankfurt-short-bruza
>
> "Mike Donahue" wrote in message
> news:2493C2503FC60D25F242AC92333EEDF1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Jason, thank you for the information. I'm wondering (and please forgive
my
> > ignorance) if when they say "Network Version", they are referring to a
> > network installation vs. client-side. Is this possible?
> > TIA,
> >
>
*Redmon, Gene
Message 7 of 9 (92 Views)

Re: Adlm over WAN

04-25-2001 12:34 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Mike,

I reviewed all the threads with this subject and it does not appear that
your original question was answered. It is my understanding, as the threads
indicate, that a distributed license pool can be setup over the WAN as long
as the network version is used and a license in the pool is available.

For large companies with multiple offices this sounds like a great solution.
However, did you ever find out how to accomplish this? If so, maybe you can
help me. Here's the situation:

Office1 = 50 users, Office2 = 20 users, ACAD Network seats = 100
Office1 as redundant server pool = Server1, Server2, Server3
Office2 as single server = Server4

I want ot dedicate the 50 licenses for Office1 and 20 licenses for Office2,
then make the remaining 30 license available in a pool for either office to
use across the WAN.

Any insight would be very helpful.

Gene Redmon
gredmon@hunsaker.com

"Mike Donahue" wrote in message
news:8AE8F7F971BE98673DB3823460A7F6A5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> A few questions, please -
> is anyone running adlm pooled licenses over a WAN? are the bandwidth
> requirements heavy?
> is running adlm over an international WAN a violation of the license
> agreement?
>
> TIA,
>
> Mike
>
*Donahue, Mike
Message 8 of 9 (92 Views)

Re:

04-30-2001 05:53 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Gene:
Unfortunately, licensing is such a complicated (and touchy) subject,
that Jason was right in indicating that I should get the final word from
AutoDesk themselves. I have since been told by our AutoDesk rep that we do
NOT need to run separate AdLM/client licenses for WAN branches. But to try
and answer your question:
1. I guess I have three types of AutoCAD versions in my head:
a. Stand-alone (desktop install)
b. Network/Shared (execuatables are run from mapped drive)
c. AdLM version.
I think a lot of people use the word "Network" for versions B and C.
For your specific situation, based on what I can tell, I'm a little out of
my league, but here goes:
Add another AdLM server so you can have 5 on the network. (or delete on to
go to three)
Simply pool all the licenses together. I believe you can force the 70 you
have dedicated by removing the alternate servers from the SET ACADSERVER
variable. Honestly, I would probably pool all 100 licenses and not force
any; but make sure the ACADSERVER statement has the local server set first.

To be honest, you may want to ask me again in a week or two as we will be
testing something very similar.

Sorry for the lack of knowledge,
Mike Donahue

"Gene Redmon" wrote in message
news:4866017D7CD7978569726378B33C0F40@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Mike,
>
> I reviewed all the threads with this subject and it does not appear that
> your original question was answered. It is my understanding, as the
threads
> indicate, that a distributed license pool can be setup over the WAN as
long
> as the network version is used and a license in the pool is available.
>
> For large companies with multiple offices this sounds like a great
solution.
> However, did you ever find out how to accomplish this? If so, maybe you
can
> help me. Here's the situation:
>
> Office1 = 50 users, Office2 = 20 users, ACAD Network seats = 100
> Office1 as redundant server pool = Server1, Server2, Server3
> Office2 as single server = Server4
>
> I want ot dedicate the 50 licenses for Office1 and 20 licenses for
Office2,
> then make the remaining 30 license available in a pool for either office
to
> use across the WAN.
>
> Any insight would be very helpful.
>
> Gene Redmon
> gredmon@hunsaker.com
>
> "Mike Donahue" wrote in message
> news:8AE8F7F971BE98673DB3823460A7F6A5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > A few questions, please -
> > is anyone running adlm pooled licenses over a WAN? are the bandwidth
> > requirements heavy?
> > is running adlm over an international WAN a violation of the license
> > agreement?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
*Walt
Message 9 of 9 (92 Views)

Re:

06-03-2001 02:46 AM in reply to: *Donahue, Mike
Yes, this is do-able provided that your users can 'see' the server hosting
the licenses. Allow me to describe my situtation; I curently have my
licenses hosted on one server and my users are accessing them from up to
1000 miles away. My office operates a large intranet that operates across
the country. I have had several users that exist within 'secure' locations
that could not 'see' the hosting server and they needed local installations.

Recomendations: Let your local reseller know what you are doing and get
their assistance. Make sure that your users can 'see' the hosting server.
Not just PING it but map a drive to it. Make sure that you are behind a
firewall, if not then I could use your 30 extra licenses as well as you can.
IP address limits may help here.

Good luck...

"Gene Redmon" wrote in message
news:4866017D7CD7978569726378B33C0F40@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Mike,
>
> I reviewed all the threads with this subject and it does not appear that
> your original question was answered. It is my understanding, as the
threads
> indicate, that a distributed license pool can be setup over the WAN as
long
> as the network version is used and a license in the pool is available.
>
> For large companies with multiple offices this sounds like a great
solution.
> However, did you ever find out how to accomplish this? If so, maybe you
can
> help me. Here's the situation:
>
> Office1 = 50 users, Office2 = 20 users, ACAD Network seats = 100
> Office1 as redundant server pool = Server1, Server2, Server3
> Office2 as single server = Server4
>
> I want ot dedicate the 50 licenses for Office1 and 20 licenses for
Office2,
> then make the remaining 30 license available in a pool for either office
to
> use across the WAN.
>
> Any insight would be very helpful.
>
> Gene Redmon
> gredmon@hunsaker.com
>
> "Mike Donahue" wrote in message
> news:8AE8F7F971BE98673DB3823460A7F6A5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > A few questions, please -
> > is anyone running adlm pooled licenses over a WAN? are the bandwidth
> > requirements heavy?
> > is running adlm over an international WAN a violation of the license
> > agreement?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Mike
> >
>

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