hellow everyone i will be working with 2K resolutions and i will be buying a new computer but before i have a question. i need a good GPU to do my work. my work consists Visual Effects, 3D modelling and Animations. im looking for some expert suggestions should i go for Quadro or Firepro? and which GPU should i go for? i have a restricted budget. i can spend only USD 1900 for GPU. which one do u suggest for me? thanks 🙂
If you dont plan on GPU rendering, get the best gaming GPU you can afford. If, however you do plan to use GPU based rendering like "iray" or "VRay RT" you should go for a quadro card as only they support CUDA based rendering. The only reason to go for a quadro over "gaming" GPU is video RAM size. While slower in every instance than their gaming cousians, quadro cards do come with larger video RAM that is perfect for this situation. CUDA based renderers need to place your entire scene in your video RAM as system RAM is ignored.
If you don't plan to use CUDA based rendering solutions, quadros are not your best option- not that they will work poorly @ 2k$ price point.
You should get a firepro only if you know exactly why you want it as its use is even more restricted than that of a quadro.
GTX cards do support iRay and vRayRT. They have loads of CUDA cores, loads of them... and that's what you want. That and memory size, bandwidth and interface bit depth are purchasing factors;
Quadro K6000: 2880 CUDA Cores
GTX 780: 2304 CUDA Cores
Quadro K6000 Memory bandwidth: 288 G/Ps
GTX 780 Memory bandwidth: 288.4 G/Ps
Both have a 384bit memory interface.
Quadro K6000: $1600
GTX 780: $500
Hrmmmm.....
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You could compare k6000 to its actual gaming counterpart 780 TI that is a different and noticably faster then the vanila gtx 780.
Quadro vs GTX
Core count:
2880 vs 2880
GPU clock speed:
900 vs 928mhz
Memory speed:
6000 vs 7000mhz
Memory size:
12 vs 3gb
Price:
6000$ (with 1000$ discount acording to newegg) vs 700$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133494
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487002
Cards are virtually identicall in every other aspect. For 3d perfomance, 780ti is undesputed king. With that said, if you have a large 3d scene, and you need to more then 3gb of ram and (most important of all) plan to use GPU based rendering solutions like iray or Vray RT, quadro is the only way to go.
even if i combine 4 TITAN GTX'es i wouldn't have half the price of a high end quadro...
Still wouldn't do for cuda based rendering?...
Titan is very fine for CUDA based rendering systems like iray and vray rt. With 6gb of ram and 2688 cuda cores, it's slightly slower than gtx 780ti, but has twice the amount of RAM, making it more desirable in most cases. The difference in core count is next to negligible, while ram size is doubled.
hence my question: WHY GO QUADRO for the love of god i'm so lost in this marketing skeeme:
(1x) NVidia Quadro K6000 /// 6500€
memory: 12Gb
cuda cores: 2880
usage: 250Watt
(1x) GTX TITAN /// 961€
memory: 6Gb
cuda cores: 2688
usage: 250Watt
I mean... When u load your models' geometry into the GPU-ram, does this get spread over 2 GPU's-inner ram when using SLI-GPU-rendering? or will it bombard one and chocke it up?
In any case, it doesn't take a math genius to see where the money lies here? If i buy 2 TITANS i'm whiping the floor with a Quadro K6000 at a 33% cost of the K6000 and 200% Watt usage, 200% Cuda Core # and the same amount of GPU RAM
Am i seeing pink elephants or it Quadro a "professional" hype?
In another thread Steve Curley pointed out that Quadros are more reliable and on the long run more stable. I'm assuming a GTX will run fine for 2 years after which most pple will start thinking about updating their harware anyway looking at todays changing rate in hardware
So i'd "guess" gaming cards are seriously catching up with professional 3D cards to the point they're simply better then Quadros if you think of it as a whole rendering-package and in what you wanna invest your hard earned dollars...
I'm working on a GTX 760 now, coming from a Quadro 4000 and i have to say: GTX ❤️
regards,
Ethan
First to answer your question- getting more of the same GPUs do not increase final RAM size- only computational power is added, as each card has access to its own RAM amount- whatever it may be.
It should be pointed out that you can mix and match different cards, like a titan, a gtx 780, a quadro and a tesla card. All can and will be effectively used together for the GPU rendering in iray and vray rt. While the speed is nearly linearly added (as in 2+3=5 math) for core speed- all the cards will work in RAM amount of the smallest one. This is important as all the possible "extra" RAM of your quado, tesla and titan will idle.
With that said, it is paramount to understand what actually RAM does. It is used only for loading your scene. It provides no other benefits.
Take this hypothetical scene for example- you have an arch scene that takes up 4gb of ram to fully load. Gtx 780 is incapable of loading it and thus fails to render it. Titan loads it fine, with 2gb of ram idling. Quadro k6000 loads it fine with 8 gb of ram idling. If you have all 3 cards selected to render in the same machine, all will fail as the weakest of the bunch is unable to load it. You will need to manually uncheck gtx 780 and proceed with rendering.
3ds Max is telling you what amount of system RAM you're using right now- when you render in the special rendering window that pops up when you start rendering. This is roughly the same amount of RAM your GPU will need to complete rendering process too.
I'd like to point out that most of my scenes fit nicely into a single GB of ram. You should check your own scenes and see how much on average do you use. If your scene takes more than 12gb of ram to render, not even the highest-end quadro will fit you. However, for most arch/car scenes 3gb of ram is plenty and gtx 780 ti is the way to go- for fastest possible GPU rendering speed.
I'm pointing to arch/car scenes specifically as these are the clear examples where GPU rendering shines. I'm not sure how good GPU based rendering is for animation.
Now for reliability, it should be pointed out that all GPUs come with at least 3 year warranty. This means that should one accidentally fail, you'll get a replacement. After 3 years, you'll more likely than not want to get new GPUs as these nearly double in speed every 2 years or so.
It's only in a big enterprise environment where you'd want stability and longevity of a quadro as they will likely use these cards longer than a small studio would. For small studios, physical space trumps extra speed provided by old cards.
yea u nailed my question pretty good.
So our "urban" scenes easily go up to 8Gb RAM usage when rendering everything out.
> Does this mean the same amount of ram will be needed from the GPU-ram? or are these two ram-modes (pure computer ram vs gpu-ram) differently "measured"?
- And i was wondering why so many "cpu-rendering"-example movies are based on shoes and glasses and diamonds and all these 5 by 5 meter objects that have generaly no real scale challange to em.
I seriously would love to hand them a 6million poly model for an urban environment that we need to put out in animations... sigh 😛
So yeah... all in all i think i'll stay withing the cheap GTX'es for now, they kick the ceiling out of photoshop and other graphical applications - as to the only reason for a high-end quadro is the memory size when rendering GPU-animations... i think i'll skip that for the next 2 years and see what better technologies come out. I'm sure there's some "urban-lover-guru-rendering-mastermind" out there who will think of something.***
Or the day GPU's can stack memory and the "weakest ram- link" won't be the standard anymore. that one is sneaky.
whic gpu is best for 3ds max vray rt rendering?
quadro 5000 or gtx 780ti?
gtx 780 ti supprot vray or iray rendering?
Hi,
Please read the above posts, and make your decision.
Considering that the K5000 is lesser spec than the K6000,
I think that the answer to both questions should be easy to work out.
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Darawork
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