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Sinc
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Re: New computers for Inventor, AutoCAD, AutoCAD LT

06-24-2011 05:51 AM in reply to: sam_m

If you go with an SSD, just keep in mind that even a 120GB SSD primary hard drive can get cramped relatively quickly on Win 7 x64.  I definitely wouldn't try anything smaller than that.

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Re: New computers for Inventor, AutoCAD, AutoCAD LT

06-24-2011 06:24 AM in reply to: Sinc

Thanks,

 

Currently we are loading files directly over gigabit network so maybe the SSD route wouldnt be that much of a benefit now? I am strongly campainging the implementation of vault and I am sure that SSDs would give us great benefits in that situation, perhaps it is worth trying to include them in order to future proof the workstations considering the cost saving route of i5/i7 chips nECC RAM and gaming GFX cards etc... 

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Re: New computers for Inventor, AutoCAD, AutoCAD LT

06-24-2011 07:14 AM in reply to: SimonlMAC

The main benefit of the SSD is that it loads the OS and applications much faster.  It also speeds up temp file access, which Autocad tends to do a lot of.  It definitely makes an improvement, it's just that getting a large enough SSD is still relatively expensive.  It's more worth it for laptops, where you get added benefit from the cooler operation and lower power consumption.

 

I suspect that in the next couple of years, SSDs will start to become relatively standard for primary drives.  At the moment, they're still on the fence, due to price.  If you feel comfortable with the price, they definitely improve performance.

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Re: New computers for Inventor, AutoCAD, AutoCAD LT

06-24-2011 11:32 AM in reply to: Sinc

+1

 

SSD is great for one-off or personal computers but for mass purchases of business computers the extra cost adds up faster than the benefits.

 

I'm somewhat dubious of claims of "vastly speed improvement with an SSD", as I think many are doing a full system change, or even a fresh wiped system, rather than just changing over from a conventional drive to an SSD.  Add perception vs actual numbers on top of that and the value of the statement is questionable.

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Re: New computers for Inventor, AutoCAD, AutoCAD LT

06-28-2011 06:27 AM in reply to: dgorsman

Thanks everyone,

Here is my latest configurations that I will suggest to my manager:

 

2D / 3D Low End Workstation (AutoCAD LT 2011 & Inventor 2011 Suite light use):
Intel Core i5 2500K, 3.3Ghz, Quad Core, 6Mb Cache overclocked by our 3XS engineers to 4.7Ghz
8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance, DDR3, 1600Mhz
1GB EVGA GTX 550 Ti FPB, 951MHz GPU, 192 Cores, 4356 Mhz GDDR5
600W Corsair CMPSU-600CX
500 GB Samsung Spinpoint F3, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit
£746 ex.VAT

3D Mid Level Workstation (Invnetor 2011 Suite use):
Intel Core i7 2600K, 3.4Ghz, Quad Core, 8Mb Cache, Hyperthreading overclocked by our 3XS engineers to 4.7Ghz
8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance, DDR3, 1600Mhz
1Gb EVGA GTX 560 Ti SC, 900MHz GPU, 384 Cores, 4212Mhz GDDR5
600W Corsair CMPSU-600CX
120Gb OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, Read 550MB/s, Write 500MB/s
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit - OEM
£1017 ex.VAT

3D Top Level Workstation (Invnentor 2011 Routed Systems / Large Assembly use):
Intel Core i7 2600K, 3.4Ghz, Quad Core, 8Mb Cache, Hyperthreading overclocked by our 3XS engineers to 4.7Ghz
16GB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 DDR3 1600Mhz
1536MB EVGA GTX 580, 772Mhz GPU 512 Cores, 4008MHz GDDR5

600W Corsair Builder Series (Single Graphics Card)
120Gb OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, Read 550MB/s, Write 500MB/s
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit - OEM
£1363 ex.VAT

 

A lot of what I have read on the web generally has said the SATA3 HDDs won't give that much of an improvement over SATA2 drives mainly due to the mechanics of the drive and that SATA3 was mainly developed to harness the speed of SSDs.

We are also a small enough DO that SSDs for the 3D guys is probably a viable option. We aren't doing a full upgrade of hardware, we have immediate requirement for a couple of the low end models, but generally these will be reccomendatins for new staff as and when we hire...

 

Thanks for all the advice. Keep the comments coming if there are any.

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Re: New computers for Inventor, AutoCAD, AutoCAD LT

06-28-2011 08:52 AM in reply to: SimonlMAC

I kind of think the GeForce 550 Ti is a bit of a rip-off.  If you can find something like a GeForce 460, 460 SE, or 465, you'll probably spend about the same amount for a card that works a fair bit better.  Otherwise, the 550 Ti will work.

 

Yes and no on 6Gb/s SATA (a term that is preferable to SATA3, since SATA3 is so easily confused with 3Gb/s SATA, aka SATA2).  It depends on what you're doing, and on the cache size of your drive.  If you have a fast 6Gb/s SATA drive with 64MB of cache, then you can see better performance on writes of small files, since the entire file can be sent over the 6Gb/s SATA wire and stored in the cache on the drive.  You're still limited, though, in that if the cache fills up, you're back to slow write speeds until the drive can catch up.  And the 6Gb/s doesn't help much for read speeds, which are typically limited by the drive itself, and not the connection.

 

So yes, the 6Gb/s is only really helpful with these fancy and fast new SSDs, but it can help a bit with mechanical drives in limited situations.

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Re: New computers for Inventor, AutoCAD, AutoCAD LT

06-29-2011 01:09 AM in reply to: Sinc

Thanks Sinc.

 

Here's the configured option from 3XS that uses a 460 SSC instead of the 550 Ti

 

2D / 3D Low End Workstation (AutoCAD LT 2011 & Inventor 2011 Suite light use): 

Intel Core i5 2500K, 3.3Ghz, Quad Core, 6Mb Cache overclocked by our 3XS engineers to 4.5Ghz
8GB (2x4GB) Corsair XMS3 DDR3, DDR3 1600Mhz CAS 9
1Gb EVGA GTX 460 SSC, 850Mhz GPU 336 Cores, 3900Mhz GDDR5
600W Corsair CMPSU-600CX
500 GB Samsung Spinpoint F3, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit

£750 ex.VAT

 

 

It does get quite a bit better passmark score compared to the 550 Ti for not much price - good call...

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