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cory.mogk
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Registered: ‎07-06-2006

What do you think of Composite 2011?

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04-06-2010 05:53 PM
Hi,

Now that Composite 2011 is available, I thought it would be good to have a thread where people can give us feedback on how they like it and what’s happening for them.

What would we like to hear? Things like:

* how do you like the release?
* are you having any problems?
* what would you like to see in the future?

Thanks,
Cory
Cory "Mr. Entertainment" Mogk
http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/cory
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Posts: 387
Registered: ‎08-30-2006

Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-06-2010 08:05 PM in reply to: cory.mogk
Hi Cory

I for one really appreciate the opportunity to be heard on this as a long term advocate of the product despite my very short amount of time with it . I actually fell in love with Toxik, coming from mostly an AE background and some time with Combustion, I felt that it had the interface, workflow and toolset that fitted perfectly to my pipeline and my eyes . At last years Siggraph the blow came that it would no longer be a standalone application and being a long time 3dsmax user I really had no desire to switch . This news drove me a bit mad . I even started bugging one guy (sorry Gary !) about it and actively persued the possibility of being a beta tester, but hell I'm always late for parties . I know I could have ordered Maya 2010 for Toxik alone, but I had a feeling or more of a hope that it would also become available with Max - and here we are, I got my wish .

Unfortunately though now that I have the full legally owned version of the application I became so besotted with, I am finding that it does not work, when both the previous trials did . The problem is something probably driver related and I created a thread to help diagnose that .

As for feedback though, here is mine .

I love this application and it is truly a shame I needed to wait this long to be able to work with it more . As I say, coming from AE and moving to a node based environment for the first time was an absolute breeze, extremely easy to comprehend the flow of things if you're at all familiar with how compositing works . The interface is beautiful, things are where they should be and it all makes complete sense, it is pretty difficult to forget where an option is once you find it - not something I can often say about an application .

The one main thing that absolutely blew me away about Toxik/Composite was the Reaction node - a fully 3d compositing environment with support for 3d geometry, per node ! This is something I have only dreamed of having in AE . The creative potential explodes with this, especially for motion graphics work, even that the .fbx model can be animated and textured by anything that can be imported, generated or manipulated by all the upstream nodes you like ! There have been many times working on projects where I wished I didn't have to render out passes of a 3d object from Max, losing the flexibility to make changes quickly or integrate the result better with the project composition etc, and save time . I posted an image in another thread of something I put together only messing around with that and I was thrilled with the result since non of it came from a 3d application aside from the original assets .

Although I can't say much about the current release due to problems mentioned, I am extremely happy about the vector paint tools - an absolutely essential toolset for vfx work, I am somewhat surprised it never existed to begin with . I am also impressed that the options for example, cloning and offsetting are all fully exposed within this one tool and you don't need several ones like you would in something like Shake . No need for a rotoshape to a move2d to a keymix etc etc here, it's all handled by a single node, apart from the obvious tracker and that is excellent .

I didn't see much difference beyond that, other than how it doesn't insist on being fullscreen (although part of me did like that) . I do actually miss the project management front end ? Has that been completely pulled or is it optional ?

Stuff I'd like to see, I've mentioned before things like support for audio, more shader options for the Reaction node (MetaSL/MentalMill would be awesome) a bit more information about the PXL stuff and perhaps a repository somewhere and I remember being annoyed at the lack of documentation on the expressions .

I realise that Toxik/Composite is very much a tool for shot by shot work - but I would really like to see some sort of structure or support that allows complete sequences . Combustion had an Edit operator, which I thought was really nice and of course AE can 'edit' a sequence together because of its focus on layers in time, but really since Composite does have a timeline of a sort I think it would be nice to be able to edit in such a way that doesn't feel so fiddly and would really open it up more to those who don't work shot by shot . It is often I have to work on a sequence that is a few minutes long that never changes shots, per se .

There would also be a benefit in my mind to support other third party data sets such as XML from FinalCut (bringing in a timeline or perhaps building a comp based on that timeline), tracking data from third party applications like Mocha . etc .

I could go wild thinking up ideas for features if I put my mind to it and something like Flame's substance/noise would be nice !

As crazy as it perhaps sounds I am extremely happy to finally own this product and I really see it becoming my weapon of choice on a lot of the projects I handle, constantly looking at less reasons to have to stick with AE !

Thankyou, Autodesk .

(I only now need to get the thing to work !)
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Registered: ‎01-19-2010

Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 04:29 AM in reply to: cory.mogk
Hi,

I'm having some trouble with crashes.

I just tried to import a fresh EXR file that I rendered in Max. Nothing special in the file, no render elements or anything, but for some reason the importing takes a really long time and it crashes Composite almost every time.

Once my screen went briefly blank and Windows complained about some graphics card issue, which never happened before - so that could be causing the problems. On the other hand I have had no trouble with the card before.

EDIT: I just managed to repeat the card issue and this time with a dialog complaining about a problem with NVIDIA's OpenGL driver - so I guess this is a driver issue, then.

I'd appreciate if someone knows how to fix it :)


My system: AMD Phenom x4, 8 Gb, NVIDIA GeForce 9400GT, Windows 7 64-bit.
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satrycon
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Registered: ‎06-06-2009

Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 05:15 AM in reply to: cory.mogk
is toxik supported on vista64/win7x64 ? i thought the recommended is xp ?
RohitM
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satrycon
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Registered: ‎06-06-2009

Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 05:16 AM in reply to: cory.mogk
is toxik supported on vista64/win7x64 ? i thought the recommended is xp and a quadro card ?
RohitM
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Registered: ‎08-30-2006

Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 05:19 AM in reply to: wannabeartist
You're having video card issues too ? I have a Quadro 3400 which is supposed to be a certified card for Toxik/Composite but I get what you're getting .
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Registered: ‎01-19-2010

Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 06:03 AM in reply to: wannabeartist
Ok, if a certified card does this too, then there's probably a need for NVIDIA to update the drivers :)
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Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 06:08 AM in reply to: cory.mogk
I certainly hope the recommendation isn't XP anymore, but Windows 7 might be a little too fresh.

I just tried running it in the "compatibility mode" - no luck, crashed while trying to create a fresh composite. twice.

EDIT: just found this: http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/autodesk_composite_2011_release_notes.pdf

So it should work with Windows 7, 64-bit.
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Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 06:12 AM in reply to: wannabeartist
I've tried Toxik on Vista and 7 and it never gave me the sorts of issues you/I are getting now . I'm wondering if nvidia broke the opengl part of the drivers or something . No other application seems to give me trouble .
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Re: What do you think of Composite 2011?

04-07-2010 06:33 AM in reply to: wannabeartist
Ok, thanks.... this is embarrassing: my driver was actually outdated, apparently one must check these once a week or so. After updating, everything seems to work fine, at least so far :)
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