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Revit/Max workflow during design process

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Message 1 of 11
angelomarasco
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Revit/Max workflow during design process

I've been rendering a lot lately directly out of Revit using Autodesk's 360 Cloud service with some decent results, however, it is very limited when it comes to rendering out separate channels/layers or items like material overrides.

 

Anyone have a workflow they like for an iterative design renderings from Revit to Max?  Have you been able to set up linked Revit models with substitutions for Revit families (i.e. furniture) with high density mesh objects in Max so scenes look a lot more realistic with complex items like water, fire, and cloth?

 

Any good resources out there?

 

Thanks,

Angelo 

http://www.cadence-studio.com
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Message 2 of 11

Hi Angelo,

 

3ds Max can render out your passes and material overrides no problem. There are mutiple different passes (render elements) that can be extracted from a render as seen in the Render Elements panel.

 

 One workflow I really like for extracting the map of an object into one pass, you might find helpful:

 

- Select material to be extracted

- Between material and map, add a an mr Labelled Element (making sure your texture\procedural map is in the Passthrough slot of the Labelled Element)

- On the Labelled Element, add a label to the Label field (could be anything)

- In Render Element panel, add an mr Labelled Element render element

- in the render element parameters below, type the same Label you put on the material

 

When you render, you will produce a render element which contains the map you added in the passthrough slot of the Lballed Element.

 

You can also use an mr Shader Element in the Render Elements panel to override your scene with a shader\material of choice. You could use this for instance, to create an ambient occlusion pass.

 

There are many ways of replacing your Revit families with more higher detailed models in 3ds Max. You can of course model you own but that might be time consuming. One resource I really enjoy is the models found on Google Warehhouse (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/?redirect=1). These models are completely free and are literally a drag and drop into 3ds Max since 3ds Max supports SKP files. There are literally thousands of models on this site and it's all free. If you are looking for even more, I would recommend Turbosquid, these are not free for the most part but they are very high quality models.

 

For water I would suggest exploring the Autodesk Water material or the mental ray Ocean shader. Either will give you a nice water look quickly.

 

Hope this helps!

Jose

 

 

Message 3 of 11

For everything that has to do with Revit to 3ds Max Design workflow, Pierre-Felix Breton is a great ressource. Between is blog posts and his Autodesk University classes, you will find great information:

 

AU classes 

 

His web site

 

Hope this helps

Marion

Message 4 of 11

Thanks Jose for the tips - I'll give them a try!  

http://www.cadence-studio.com
Message 5 of 11

Marion,

 

Thanks for the tips and links, however, most of the Revit to Max articles and posts are outdated.  Max can link Revit models directly, so DWG and FBX importing doesn't seem like the best options currently.  Do you know if anyone has posted workflow tips for RVT linking in Max?

 

I appreciate your help.

 

Angelo

http://www.cadence-studio.com
Message 6 of 11

Dear Angelo,

The outdated post is the reason why I wanted to create a Design Visualization workflow forum; for us, Visualization Specialists!

 

That is true for the FBX workflow. 

 

DWG workflow (only good if you are coming from AutoCAD): I have actually never suggested this workflow for the Revit users.. I know there are exeptions for certain workflow and datasets.. but if you are coming from Revit, FBX is the workflow for earlier release (before 2013)

Watch this video for the DWG workflow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwK6i0pcvaM&list=PLC858A3492AF64B00&feature=share&index=10

 

FBX: Still a valid workflow, but a bit complicated for nothing since we can now link direct RVT files (since 2013)

 

RVT: The easiest and more efficient. You can find detailed informations here: http://docs.autodesk.com/3DSMAX/16/ENU/3ds-Max-Help/index.html?url=files/GUID-B83FE301-DBD4-41A0-8EA...

You can also watch a video I have done on this subject: 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ryu61c7cs&feature=share&list=PLC858A3492AF64B00&index=11

 

Which ever workflow you are using.. please make sure that you are setting the project folder first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NjF0UcPyEU&feature=share&list=PLC858A3492AF64B00&index=19

 

 

Let me know if there is anything in particular you need to know about this particular workflow. 

Feel free to start a new post for each techical questions. That helps me promote the forum. 

Marion

 

 

Message 7 of 11
boujou99
in reply to: MarionLandry

Hey Marion. I have been involved in visualization for some time now and have worked at a few studios across the country. I only say this as to give some background to my level of experience. I am setting up a workflow inside an architectural office at the moment and although I have had success with both Fbx and linking to the Revit file, I want to keep things managed on the Revit side, so the suite workflow is a great concept for firms with a strong Revit knowledge base. I have one 'BIG' concern. Once I send my Revit design off to 3ds Max, I am no longer able to send any updated design modifications to Max because the suite workflow is now greyed out! I am forced to close Revit and reopen the project to update using the suite workflow. Just so I know I'm not crazy, I installed trial versions of 3ds Max Design 2015 and Revit 2015 on my laptop at home and all works smooth as butter. Any suggestions? Sounds like a re-install but I'd hate to get into all of that...even if our office only has 5-7 users.

 

Greg Anderson

Message 8 of 11
MarionLandry
in reply to: boujou99

HI Greg,

Nothing is wrong with either software. You are not doing it the right way. 

 

Once you have file link your model in 3ds Max Design, it is in 3ds Max Design that you can update the data.. not from Revit. 

I suggest you watch this video carefuly. It hightlight how you can properly setup the workflow to avoid any confusion. What I always suggest is to start the workflow in 3ds Max Design and fetch the data from there. Sending the data from Revit creates a "temp" file that is not always obvious where it is saved on your computer and I find it difficult to explain on a short text. 

 

Hope this sheds clarity. 

 

http://youtu.be/-8ryu61c7cs

 

 

Marion

Message 9 of 11
boujou99
in reply to: MarionLandry

Thanks Marion. I am aware of the process you are refering to. As I mentioned, I'm pretty experienced at this. If I was putting together workflow standards for developing marketing material, I would use the method in the link you sent. Unfortunately or fortunately, I am trying to develop office standards for Architects, who will only be using 3ds max as an extension of Revit. In this scenario I am refering to the Suite Workflow which shipped with the Design Suite. And honestly it works very smooth on my laptop. I can spend most of my time in Revit as an Architect and only send updates to max when I want to see a new material or the lighting from a newly added fixture. Are you familiar with the Suite Workflows and Workflow Manager in Revit? If I am somehow using them incorrectly, can you point me to a link which dicusses this topic? 

 

 

Best regards,

Gregory Anderson 

Message 10 of 11
MarionLandry
in reply to: boujou99

Yes, I am familiar with the suite workflow. 

There are no ways to update the already existing file link in 3ds Max Design while using the suite workflow. 

The update needs to happen from 3ds Max Design. 

Marion

Message 11 of 11
boujou99
in reply to: MarionLandry

Okay. I was just checking to see if I was correctly describing my issue. But I have an additional question. What is the suite workflow designed for? It's intent. It has options under the Workflow manager to update an existging Max scene or even an active Max scene. Because I can have novice Max users link straight from Revit into an existing Max file on the Network, I will have to consider this the best case scenerio in a design oriented environment for now. I think designers want to put the focus on making design decisions in Revit, not Max. I think as a community Architects want their designers designing buildings and not applying materials at the sub-object level. I can absolutly update the Max scene from Revit. Just wanted to find out why I don't have to restart Revit on my home setup. Looks like I will reinstall this weekend and let you know what I find out.

 

Greg

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