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"Ctrl + " tooltip in Express

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Anonymous
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‎04-17-2003 02:41 AM
‎04-17-2003 02:41 AM

"Ctrl + " tooltip in Express

Is there a way to disable the obtrusive tooltips
in Express?
Good intuitive interfaces often require
constantly popping up a signpost to tell the
users how to do a complex task like selecting
a hyperlink.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎04-17-2003 03:12 AM
‎04-17-2003 03:12 AM

For simple hyperlinks that makes sense, but what
about hyperlinks that contain multiple targets?  How would you get to those
links other than through a tooptip?


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Is
there a way to disable the obtrusive tooltips
in Express?
Good
intuitive interfaces often require
constantly popping up a signpost to
tell the
users how to do a complex task like selecting
a
hyperlink.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎04-17-2003 05:50 AM
‎04-17-2003 05:50 AM

In the simple and I would expect more common case of a simple hyperlink, you don't need to bark at the user. Give them visual (finger) feedback and just let them select it.

Save the more cumbersome interface for the more complex case when you need do disambiguate the users intentions.

It concerns me that with Autodesks DWF vewiers seem to get less friendly and usable as we move from Whip (click) to Volo (double click) to Express (ctrl+click).

And, what do you mean multiple targets? How do you get that?

thanks,
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎04-17-2003 06:33 AM
‎04-17-2003 06:33 AM

You can author a DWF page where a link can actually
contain multiple hyperlinks.

 

We have been paying close attention to
the feedback in this newsgroup and the feature set for the next release is
driven in large part by the input given here.

 

 

 



style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">In
the simple and I would expect more common case of a simple hyperlink, you
don't need to bark at the user. Give them visual (finger) feedback and just
let them select it.

Save the more cumbersome interface for the more complex case when you need
do disambiguate the users intentions.

It concerns me that with Autodesks DWF vewiers seem to get less friendly
and usable as we move from Whip (click) to Volo (double click) to Express
(ctrl+click).

And, what do you mean multiple targets? How do you get that?

thanks,

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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎04-17-2003 06:57 AM
‎04-17-2003 06:57 AM

Does that show up in 6.0 dwf? I didn't see it in 5.5.

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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎04-17-2003 07:42 AM
‎04-17-2003 07:42 AM

It's been there for quite a while, well before
0.55.

 

It's not something that a lot of drawings have, but
it's definitely out there.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Does
that show up in 6.0 dwf? I didn't see it in 5.5.

thanks

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Anonymous
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‎04-17-2003 08:50 AM
‎04-17-2003 08:50 AM

Thanks, now I see it noted in the details in the DWF doc.

But, what it's followed by:

Notes
A geometric primitive has a maximum of one URL attached to it.


Do any of the editors like autocad allow you to add multiple hyperlinks to a graphic entity?

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Anonymous
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‎04-17-2003 05:18 PM
‎04-17-2003 05:18 PM

To be clear, here are the principal reasons I find the current hyperlink control key and tooltip is troublesome.

First, no one would think of using control-click to access the hyperlink. I think this is why you've opted to always flash up a huge tooltip saying "USE CTRL". Important information given that no one would know, but after the second time you see it, it's tiresome.

The tooltip shows up with no delay or user pause which you would normally get in a tooltip which makes it too flashy and irritating. Given that you get no visual feedback about the hyperlink existence without the Ctrl key pressed, maybe you wouldn't know where to pause to get the tooltip.

In some applications, the tooltip information may in fact be more confusing for the user than illuminating, so it would be nice in those applications to disable it. There's always the status display.

With a dwf that is densely populated with urls, merely manipulating the graphics turns into a tooltip flash festival especially without a delay before the tip comes.

What if you are operating in a kiosk display with no keyboard and hence no control key?

In your first reply you indicated that it had to do with multiple targets. But it's the perfectly sensible popup menu that deals with multiple targets, not the control key or tooltip display. My guess is that the control key is to avoid conflicts with pan and zoom but both pan and zoom are drag operation, not clicks, and can be entered unambiguously by relying on mouse movement or button hold time.

What about a popup menu for overlapped graphics which have urls attached?

ramblin' on.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎04-17-2003 05:31 PM
‎04-17-2003 05:31 PM

These are all good suggestions.  I'll make
sure our product designer gets copied on this thread.

 

Thank you.

 

 


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
To
be clear, here are the principal reasons I find the current hyperlink control
key and tooltip is troublesome.

First, no one would think of using control-click to access the hyperlink. I
think this is why you've opted to always flash up a huge tooltip saying "USE
CTRL". Important information given that no one would know, but after the
second time you see it, it's tiresome.

The tooltip shows up with no delay or user pause which you would normally
get in a tooltip which makes it too flashy and irritating. Given that you get
no visual feedback about the hyperlink existence without the Ctrl key pressed,
maybe you wouldn't know where to pause to get the tooltip.

In some applications, the tooltip information may in fact be more confusing
for the user than illuminating, so it would be nice in those applications to
disable it. There's always the status display.

With a dwf that is densely populated with urls, merely manipulating the
graphics turns into a tooltip flash festival especially without a delay before
the tip comes.

What if you are operating in a kiosk display with no keyboard and hence no
control key?

In your first reply you indicated that it had to do with multiple targets.
But it's the perfectly sensible popup menu that deals with multiple targets,
not the control key or tooltip display. My guess is that the control key is to
avoid conflicts with pan and zoom but both pan and zoom are drag operation,
not clicks, and can be entered unambiguously by relying on mouse movement or
button hold time.

What about a popup menu for overlapped graphics which have urls attached?

ramblin' on.

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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎04-17-2003 10:40 PM
‎04-17-2003 10:40 PM

Another example of excessive tool tip flashing is
when there is a single hyperlink on an xref.  A dwf6 made from a sheet
file that references that xref results in the tooltip popping up
constantly.  Anytime the cursor moves across any part of the xref (not just
the entity that had the hyperlink attached) the tooltip pops up.  Quite
annoying.

 

-Brian Harder


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
To
be clear, here are the principal reasons I find the current hyperlink control
key and tooltip is troublesome.

First, no one would think of using control-click to access the hyperlink. I
think this is why you've opted to always flash up a huge tooltip saying "USE
CTRL". Important information given that no one would know, but after the
second time you see it, it's tiresome.

The tooltip shows up with no delay or user pause which you would normally
get in a tooltip which makes it too flashy and irritating. Given that you get
no visual feedback about the hyperlink existence without the Ctrl key pressed,
maybe you wouldn't know where to pause to get the tooltip.

In some applications, the tooltip information may in fact be more confusing
for the user than illuminating, so it would be nice in those applications to
disable it. There's always the status display.

With a dwf that is densely populated with urls, merely manipulating the
graphics turns into a tooltip flash festival especially without a delay before
the tip comes.

What if you are operating in a kiosk display with no keyboard and hence no
control key?

In your first reply you indicated that it had to do with multiple targets.
But it's the perfectly sensible popup menu that deals with multiple targets,
not the control key or tooltip display. My guess is that the control key is to
avoid conflicts with pan and zoom but both pan and zoom are drag operation,
not clicks, and can be entered unambiguously by relying on mouse movement or
button hold time.

What about a popup menu for overlapped graphics which have urls attached?

ramblin' on.

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