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    Valued Contributor
    Posts: 71
    Registered: ‎08-19-2005

    Re: you are not worth...

    02-02-2007 09:24 AM in reply to: *MJ
    The best way to get a raise is to switch jobs. From my experience the "all around" type of CAD guy really fares well with many employers. If you want to stay at your current job, use a job offer as leverage for more money.

    "I like my job here, but another employer thinks I am worth "x" ammount of $$ to them"

    Best of luck.
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    *pkirill

    Re: you are not worth...

    02-05-2007 06:05 AM in reply to: *MJ
    Don't go backwards. The problem with putting yourself out there and doing
    what needs to be done for a firm that doesn't appreciate it that all you do
    is raise the bar of expectations. When you drop back, management sees it as
    your attitude going into the crapper. So then, even though you may be doing
    a better job of drafting than the drafter next to you, you're not doing as
    good of a job as you used to do. The mistake a lot of "first-timers"
    (meaning those who have just discovered that there is a lot of stuff that
    has to happen outside of CAD in order keep CAD productive and have some
    personal need to fill those gaps) make is not making sure the firm they are
    with will appreciate the extra effort. I made that mistake - twice, as have
    many, many others inthis NG. So it is true that the best move is to move on.
    Hopefully you move on to a place that is looking for what you're offering.
    But if you can't find one of those, at least you can start the process a
    little differently by pointing out potential improvements and the benefits
    and how you can fix it but it's not really your job but you'd be willing to
    discuss making it your job... At least in this latter situation you'll
    probably make a few more bucks doing the basics, and not be criticized for a
    crappy attitude... (to be clear - I do not think you have a crappy
    attitude - I think you have a great attitude...)


    "MJ" wrote in message news:5470642@discussion.autodesk.com...
    "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
    other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you really
    want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'

    I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to pay
    for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.

    "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what is
    done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
    it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
    improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
    rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."

    You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we appreciate
    that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing drafting
    and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
    done.
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    Distinguished Contributor
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    Registered: ‎10-19-2003

    Re: you are not worth...

    02-06-2007 09:19 AM in reply to: *MJ
    If you do choose to do the other offer to try and get a raise, make sure you do have an offer and make sure you are prepared to take it if things go belly up.

    Job satifaction does have alot to do with how you feel about money, but if you are now thinking you are not reciving your fair amount, perhaps it is time for a change.

    It is never easy to move, even if you have done it many times before.

    All the best.

    Q
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    *jpdomein

    Re: you are not worth...

    02-09-2007 01:38 AM in reply to: *MJ
    Sounds familiar.
    Sounds sooo' familiar.
    Unfortunatly i'm running in my 50ties so changing jobs is not that easy
    anymore (europe is somewhat different) so i guess i'm sort of stuck
    here. :-((

    Regards,
    Jan

    MJ wrote:
    > So get the big yearly review. For the past 5 years you have been doing the
    > job of Drafter/cad man/IT/trouble shooter in a 45 person firm. You track the
    > hours of each job you do and come up with a pay increase to get you above
    > what a drafter in your area makes and more in line with the job you do. The
    > response from the uppers is "we can't have you making as much as an
    > architect"...... talk about make the jaw hit the floor.
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