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02-01-2007 03:54 AM in reply to:
*MJ
Sorry to hear that.
But generally reading the replies, i have not had the exprience of not being appreciated in IT and CAD Management. I eanr more than a majoirty of the Architects here and have done since i went into IT and CAD management based in an Architect envorinment.
Consider UK!
The only problem is, sometimes these jobs are few and far between, some emplyees will try and cash in on alots of people applying for the role and try and get the cheapest.
You get what you pay for and i have walked from job offers in the past and when asked why, i simply reply with, if you can get someone at that price who DOES know what they are doing, good luck to you.
Also walked fomr jobs when they promise a pay increase after a period of "prove yourself" than get lame excuse of company and money coming in.
Been doing this for 6 years, in the industry for 9 (near 10).
Certainly not the best, but i have an incredible foundation and the ability to find answers and solve problems when i dont know.
Prmote yourself well and dont settle for second best.
Good luck to you.
Q
But generally reading the replies, i have not had the exprience of not being appreciated in IT and CAD Management. I eanr more than a majoirty of the Architects here and have done since i went into IT and CAD management based in an Architect envorinment.
Consider UK!
The only problem is, sometimes these jobs are few and far between, some emplyees will try and cash in on alots of people applying for the role and try and get the cheapest.
You get what you pay for and i have walked from job offers in the past and when asked why, i simply reply with, if you can get someone at that price who DOES know what they are doing, good luck to you.
Also walked fomr jobs when they promise a pay increase after a period of "prove yourself" than get lame excuse of company and money coming in.
Been doing this for 6 years, in the industry for 9 (near 10).
Certainly not the best, but i have an incredible foundation and the ability to find answers and solve problems when i dont know.
Prmote yourself well and dont settle for second best.
Good luck to you.
Q
*Matt Stachoni
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02-01-2007 08:14 AM in reply to:
*MJ
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:38:27 +0000, MJ wrote:
> The response from the uppers is "we can't have you making as much as an
>architect"
My response would be something like, "I know what you guys make, and neither can
I."
Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com
> The response from the uppers is "we can't have you making as much as an
>architect"
My response would be something like, "I know what you guys make, and neither can
I."
Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com
*James Maeding
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02-01-2007 03:40 PM in reply to:
*MJ
hah! I thought MJ (ther previous employee) was a thing of the past. Are people there still worried he might come back
packing heat?
Dave Drahn
|>Dang. Sorry. Let me try to wrench my foot out of my mouth. We're a civil
|>(hydraulics and hydrology) firm but will definitely consider you, too MJ -
|>unless MJ is Mike Jackson, then posssibly not.
|>Get me a resume if you're serious.
|>
|>"MJ" wrote in message news:5470816@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Ouch, pour salt on the open wound.
|>
|>"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
|>news:5470803@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
|>Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
|>(CA) or Phoenix?
|>
|>"kemp" wrote in message news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
|>makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
|>counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
|>consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
|>and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!
|>
|>MJ wrote:
|>> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
|>> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
|>> really
|>> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
|>>
|>> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
|>> pay
|>> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
|>>
|>> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
|>> is
|>> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
|>> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
|>> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
|>> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
|>>
|>> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
|>> appreciate
|>> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
|>> drafting
|>> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
|>> done.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
packing heat?
Dave Drahn
|>Dang. Sorry. Let me try to wrench my foot out of my mouth. We're a civil
|>(hydraulics and hydrology) firm but will definitely consider you, too MJ -
|>unless MJ is Mike Jackson, then posssibly not.
|>Get me a resume if you're serious.
|>
|>"MJ"
|>Ouch, pour salt on the open wound.
|>
|>"Dave Drahn"
|>news:5470803@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
|>Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
|>(CA) or Phoenix?
|>
|>"kemp"
|>I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
|>makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
|>counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
|>consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
|>and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!
|>
|>MJ wrote:
|>> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all the
|>> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
|>> really
|>> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
|>>
|>> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
|>> pay
|>> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
|>>
|>> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
|>> is
|>> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
|>> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
|>> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1 pretty
|>> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
|>>
|>> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
|>> appreciate
|>> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
|>> drafting
|>> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the work
|>> done.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
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02-01-2007 03:45 PM in reply to:
*MJ
Our firm interviewed a person that they didn’t offer the position to. Two months later he was let go from the company that he had received a job from. Then promptly returned and shot the first person he saw. So to answer your question, YES they do.
*James Maeding
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02-01-2007 03:54 PM in reply to:
*MJ
we know, he came back for his drafting scale a week later! You should have seen us, wondering if the fire escape in the
roof actually worked!
The poor guy had anger issues, I felt bad for him as that must be miserable.
mrwendal6 <>
|>Our firm interviewed a person that they didn’t offer the position to. Two months later he was let go from the company that he had received a job from. Then promptly returned and shot the first person he saw. So to answer your question, YES they do.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
roof actually worked!
The poor guy had anger issues, I felt bad for him as that must be miserable.
mrwendal6 <>
|>Our firm interviewed a person that they didn’t offer the position to. Two months later he was let go from the company that he had received a job from. Then promptly returned and shot the first person he saw. So to answer your question, YES they do.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
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02-02-2007 05:01 AM in reply to:
*MJ
From my own experience, I can only add that they will never pay you for the "extra" you are doing, but the next company will. If you like doing the extra stuff, do it and learn on their time all the while looking for a new job where what you learn now will be appreciated and compensated for. What you learn now they cannot keep you from taking with you.
Good luck.
Good luck.
*MJ
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02-02-2007 06:30 AM in reply to:
*MJ
MJ = Matt Johnson
"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5472331@discussion.autodesk.com...
we know, he came back for his drafting scale a week later! You should have
seen us, wondering if the fire escape in the
roof actually worked!
The poor guy had anger issues, I felt bad for him as that must be miserable.
mrwendal6 <>
|>Our firm interviewed a person that they didn’t offer the position to. Two
months later he was let go from the company that he had received a job from.
Then promptly returned and shot the first person he saw. So to answer your
question, YES they do.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
"James Maeding"
news:5472331@discussion.autodesk.com...
we know, he came back for his drafting scale a week later! You should have
seen us, wondering if the fire escape in the
roof actually worked!
The poor guy had anger issues, I felt bad for him as that must be miserable.
mrwendal6 <>
|>Our firm interviewed a person that they didn’t offer the position to. Two
months later he was let go from the company that he had received a job from.
Then promptly returned and shot the first person he saw. So to answer your
question, YES they do.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*kemp
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02-02-2007 07:29 AM in reply to:
*MJ
You have email Dave. Love your company web site... The swimming fish are
a riot!
Dave Drahn wrote:
> http://www.p-a-c-e.com
>
> Besides the very good benefits package, we also have a nice ongoing
> committment to in house training in place in case you want to learn how
> 'they' go about designing for open channel hydraulics. pressure piping
> systems, pump design and pump selection, industrial electrical systems, CAD,
> LDT, C3D, river sediment transport, hydraulic physical modeling, wetland
> systems, bio-filtration for water purification, lake design, lake
> biology/ecology, etc etc. Actually passing a certain number of 'credits'
> (during work hours, unless you decide to test on one of the pre-recorded
> courses) is required to be eligible for the bi-annual bonus.
>
> So if you don't lke learning new stuff, it would be a tough place to work.
>
> wrote in message
> news:5470900@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Whats the name of the company?
a riot!
Dave Drahn wrote:
> http://www.p-a-c-e.com
>
> Besides the very good benefits package, we also have a nice ongoing
> committment to in house training in place in case you want to learn how
> 'they' go about designing for open channel hydraulics. pressure piping
> systems, pump design and pump selection, industrial electrical systems, CAD,
> LDT, C3D, river sediment transport, hydraulic physical modeling, wetland
> systems, bio-filtration for water purification, lake design, lake
> biology/ecology, etc etc. Actually passing a certain number of 'credits'
> (during work hours, unless you decide to test on one of the pre-recorded
> courses) is required to be eligible for the bi-annual bonus.
>
> So if you don't lke learning new stuff, it would be a tough place to work.
>
>
> news:5470900@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Whats the name of the company?
*Dave Drahn
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02-02-2007 09:06 AM in reply to:
*MJ
Yea, I still hear a comment and a cautious sideways glance every now and
then. He called Derek for advice on starting 'is own business a year or so
ago - I guess if he was terminated there going postal would be suicide.
"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5472328@discussion.autodesk.com...
hah! I thought MJ (ther previous employee) was a thing of the past. Are
people there still worried he might come back
packing heat?
Dave Drahn
|>Dang. Sorry. Let me try to wrench my foot out of my mouth. We're a
civil
|>(hydraulics and hydrology) firm but will definitely consider you, too MJ -
|>unless MJ is Mike Jackson, then posssibly not.
|>Get me a resume if you're serious.
|>
|>"MJ" wrote in message
news:5470816@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Ouch, pour salt on the open wound.
|>
|>"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
|>news:5470803@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
|>Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
|>(CA) or Phoenix?
|>
|>"kemp" wrote in message
news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
|>makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
|>counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
|>consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
|>and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!
|>
|>MJ wrote:
|>> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all
the
|>> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
|>> really
|>> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
|>>
|>> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
|>> pay
|>> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
|>>
|>> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
|>> is
|>> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
|>> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
|>> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1
pretty
|>> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
|>>
|>> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
|>> appreciate
|>> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
|>> drafting
|>> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the
work
|>> done.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
then. He called Derek for advice on starting 'is own business a year or so
ago - I guess if he was terminated there going postal would be suicide.
"James Maeding"
news:5472328@discussion.autodesk.com...
hah! I thought MJ (ther previous employee) was a thing of the past. Are
people there still worried he might come back
packing heat?
Dave Drahn
|>Dang. Sorry. Let me try to wrench my foot out of my mouth. We're a
civil
|>(hydraulics and hydrology) firm but will definitely consider you, too MJ -
|>unless MJ is Mike Jackson, then posssibly not.
|>Get me a resume if you're serious.
|>
|>"MJ"
news:5470816@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Ouch, pour salt on the open wound.
|>
|>"Dave Drahn"
|>news:5470803@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Actually this was directed at you, kemp:
|>Any chance you'd looking consider anything in Stockton (CA), Orange County
|>(CA) or Phoenix?
|>
|>"kemp"
news:5470742@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I would continue doing what you are doing, because learning more skills
|>makes you more valuable. Settling back into a drafting position will be
|>counterproductive for your future. The only difference is you should
|>consider taking these skills to another firm. I am in a similar ship,
|>and preparing to take the jump to another firm. Good luck matey!
|>
|>MJ wrote:
|>> "If you're only making what other drafters earn, then why take on all
the
|>> other responsibility? Just go back to full-time drafting (unless you
|>> really
|>> want to do the IT/CAD stuff).'
|>>
|>> I like doing that work more then drafting. But if they are not going to
|>> pay
|>> for it then I feel I shouldn't do it.
|>>
|>> "I used to be in the IT/CAD field, but there is no appreciation for what
|>> is
|>> done. I realised there was no way to progress in money or respect unless
|>> it's through project work, certainly not IT. I came up with processes to
|>> improve everyone's productivity and it's 'ho hum' to them, but do 1
pretty
|>> rendering and it's 'wow, you're worth more money'."
|>>
|>> You are right, it's always a slap on the back and a "good job, we
|>> appreciate
|>> that", but that doesn't pay the bills. Maybe I'll just start doing
|>> drafting
|>> and then when they want something else done send them a bill for the
work
|>> done.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*Dave Drahn
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02-02-2007 09:09 AM in reply to:
*MJ
Whew. Thanks for clearing THAT up. I was about to switch identities and
I'm sure you know what a hassle that can be.
"MJ" wrote in message news:5472878@discussion.autodesk.com...
MJ = Matt Johnson
"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5472331@discussion.autodesk.com...
we know, he came back for his drafting scale a week later! You should have
seen us, wondering if the fire escape in the
roof actually worked!
The poor guy had anger issues, I felt bad for him as that must be miserable.
mrwendal6 <>
|>Our firm interviewed a person that they didn’t offer the position to. Two
months later he was let go from the company that he had received a job from.
Then promptly returned and shot the first person he saw. So to answer your
question, YES they do.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
I'm sure you know what a hassle that can be.
"MJ"
MJ = Matt Johnson
"James Maeding"
news:5472331@discussion.autodesk.com...
we know, he came back for his drafting scale a week later! You should have
seen us, wondering if the fire escape in the
roof actually worked!
The poor guy had anger issues, I felt bad for him as that must be miserable.
mrwendal6 <>
|>Our firm interviewed a person that they didn’t offer the position to. Two
months later he was let go from the company that he had received a job from.
Then promptly returned and shot the first person he saw. So to answer your
question, YES they do.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
