?? for acad professionals

[Anonymous]

I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk program
at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand in
the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?

[Anonymous]

Seems like a lot of money for an autocad class. Generally, I've found CAD
classes to be a waste of time if you already have basic knowledge of the
program. The local community colleges classes around here (NC) are in the
less than $100/semester range. I'll admit that I'm not much of one for CAD
classes. I've only taken two. One when I first started with Autocad and I
found I had better hardware and software than the school teaching the
class - fortunately the class was only $40. I did learn one valuable
lesson. The instructor graded not on the drawing itself but on how much
memory it took to do the drawing. That has turned out to be a lesson well
learned. I see and receive CAD drawings all the time that are four or five
times larger than they need to be. Years later I took a $500 one-day class
supposedly for advance users. It only covered two features I didn't use.
One of which I still don't use and the other I rarely use. I haven't taken
a class since. If you already own the program and are using it, then IMHO
you would probably gain as much knowledge by spending that time on your own
and experimenting with the program and using these newsgroups when you have
a question.

As for demand - don't know - I guess it depends upon the area.

"michael berg" wrote in message
news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
program
> at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand in
> the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Michael - First, $3,500 is for the CAD Certificate from BCIT, not for one
course; you get seven or eight courses for that (21 units), and industry IS
impressed by BCIT certification.

Second, BCIT is not in the same league as the $40 class. It's an Autodesk
Training Centre; in fact, it's either the biggest, or one of the biggest,
ATCs in North America.

Third, if that $3,500 is in Canadian dollars, it works out to about U$2,100
which is not an unreasonable price for ~150 or so hours of classroom
training. But don't wait too long; our glorious BC government's ending of
the tuition freeze has set post-secondary fees into orbit (53% increase over
2 years at Emily Carr, 70% over one year at Kwantlen).

Fourth, I have to declare my interest -- I teach in the ATC at BCIT.
--
Dave Byrnes/Vancouver BC
Autodesk Forum Moderator Program
--------------------
Please DO NOT send technical requests to me via private e-mail.
Use CTRL+G to reply and KEEP IT IN THE NEWGROUP!
--------------------


michael berg wrote in message
news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
program
> at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand in
> the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Sorry but I will have to agree with Marshall. If you want to learn what is
new about the newer releases then sit down and play with it. When you get a
question, come here and ask. I have learned much more here then in any
class I have ever taken. I have friends who have gotten their certificates
and know how to use AutoCAD quite well. I still have to teach them a lot,
though. I did learn the basics in College a few years ago with realease 12,
13 & 14. Since them I have read this forum and gone to places like
cadalyst.com and such to really expand my knowledge base. Spend the time
with your own program to learn AutoCAD, and spend the money on a downpayment
on a car!

[Anonymous]

From my experience, you learn alot more by exploring by yourself than being
lead through a class. I have been using Autocad for, well, for I don't
remeber how long, but the version was 2.?. Everthing I have learned has
been by trial and error etc. Sure there is a lot more I could learn,
particularly when it comes to Architectural Desktop. I guess I'll learn
that the same way I learned AutoCAD.

Our experience with training has been that, although the instructor was
knowledgeable in what he was teaching, it doesn't apply to the real world.
Our best "CADD people" are those who aren't afraid to explore software by
themselves, using all available tools including the manuals, help menus and
internet sources. I think people remember better that way.

That is not to say that some training is valuable. We always try to
particapate in a new release upgrade class to find out quickly what's new.
--
Greg Kenner
CADD Manager
LS3P Associates Ltd.
Charleston SC


"michael berg" wrote in message
news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
program
> at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand in
> the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?
>
>

[Anonymous]

i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a lot, and
i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though because i
put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who say
they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc.., that
shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn more
skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS GETS REAL
OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that do what
i just described..... real old....
you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are always
needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time or will
to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always be
needed....

--
Steven O
San Antonio, Texas
Windows 2000 Pro
AMD Processor (1GHz)
512 MB RAM
Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
2 ~ 19" monitors
Acad 2002 with LD3
System Printer Drivers

"michael berg" wrote in message
news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
program
> at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand in
> the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this post in
the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
Thanks.

-----------------
OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is undocked.

Here's what I am used to:

To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-

Enter Line command
Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
Pull cursor to the left
Type 20 and hit enter

Here's what I now have to do:

To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-

Enter Line command
Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
Pull cursor to the left
Type 20
*Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
Hit enter
------------------------------------


"STEVE-O" wrote in message
news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a lot,
and
> i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though because i
> put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who say
> they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc.., that
> shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn more
> skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS GETS
REAL
> OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that do
what
> i just described..... real old....
> you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are always
> needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time or
will
> to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always be
> needed....
>
> --
> Steven O
> San Antonio, Texas
> Windows 2000 Pro
> AMD Processor (1GHz)
> 512 MB RAM
> Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> 2 ~ 19" monitors
> Acad 2002 with LD3
> System Printer Drivers
>
> "michael berg" wrote in message
> news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> program
> > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand
in
> > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

If you can learn on you own why don't you just buy a book? I was hired
before we started using Acad. When we made the change I just bought a book
and taught myself. I have yet to see a user from a school who knows as
much.


"michael berg" wrote in message
news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
program
> at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand in
> the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?
>
>

[Anonymous]

thats a good idea, but you still need to put a lot of time and effort into
it.. and some of the best technicians i have seen have no schooling,
either.... but when you run into a well taught and learned student (like
myself) they are priceless for any firm to have....

--
Steven O
San Antonio, Texas
Windows 2000 Pro
AMD Processor (1GHz)
512 MB RAM
Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
2 ~ 19" monitors
Acad 2002 with LD3
System Printer Drivers

"Giebeler" wrote in message
news:FD458A2FC7EC913B5F6A9828B41F41DB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> If you can learn on you own why don't you just buy a book? I was hired
> before we started using Acad. When we made the change I just bought a
book
> and taught myself. I have yet to see a user from a school who knows as
> much.
>
>
> "michael berg" wrote in message
> news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> program
> > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand
in
> > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the program?
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

dunno man.... i dont use otrack too much....

--
Steven O
San Antonio, Texas
Windows 2000 Pro
AMD Processor (1GHz)
512 MB RAM
Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
2 ~ 19" monitors
Acad 2002 with LD3
System Printer Drivers

"Anthony Mason" wrote in message
news:22C3B166F9DB3645739CED4128860CD3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this post in
> the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
> Thanks.
>
> -----------------
> OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is undocked.
>
> Here's what I am used to:
>
> To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
>
> Enter Line command
> Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> Pull cursor to the left
> Type 20 and hit enter
>
> Here's what I now have to do:
>
> To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
>
> Enter Line command
> Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> Pull cursor to the left
> Type 20
> *Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
> Hit enter
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a lot,
> and
> > i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though because
i
> > put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who
say
> > they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc..,
that
> > shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn
more
> > skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> > titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS GETS
> REAL
> > OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that do
> what
> > i just described..... real old....
> > you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are always

> > needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time or
> will
> > to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always be
> > needed....
> >
> > --
> > Steven O
> > San Antonio, Texas
> > Windows 2000 Pro
> > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > 512 MB RAM
> > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > System Printer Drivers
> >
> > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> > program
> > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand
> in
> > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
program?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

bummer


"STEVE-O" wrote in message
news:789FA8C7234C43C40146A8C5AB5E56BF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> dunno man.... i dont use otrack too much....
>
> --
> Steven O
> San Antonio, Texas
> Windows 2000 Pro
> AMD Processor (1GHz)
> 512 MB RAM
> Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> 2 ~ 19" monitors
> Acad 2002 with LD3
> System Printer Drivers
>
> "Anthony Mason" wrote in message
> news:22C3B166F9DB3645739CED4128860CD3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this post
in
> > the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -----------------
> > OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is undocked.
> >
> > Here's what I am used to:
> >
> > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> >
> > Enter Line command
> > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > Pull cursor to the left
> > Type 20 and hit enter
> >
> > Here's what I now have to do:
> >
> > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> >
> > Enter Line command
> > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > Pull cursor to the left
> > Type 20
> > *Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
> > Hit enter
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> > news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a
lot,
> > and
> > > i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though
because
> i
> > > put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who
> say
> > > they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc..,
> that
> > > shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn
> more
> > > skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> > > titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS
GETS
> > REAL
> > > OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that
do
> > what
> > > i just described..... real old....
> > > you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are
always
>
> > > needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time
or
> > will
> > > to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always
be
> > > needed....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steven O
> > > San Antonio, Texas
> > > Windows 2000 Pro
> > > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > > 512 MB RAM
> > > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > > System Printer Drivers
> > >
> > > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> > > program
> > > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in
demand
> > in
> > > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
> program?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Steve,
Using A2K2, otrack works as expected with the command line undocked. I am
not using dual monitors, so I don't know if that would make a difference.

Mike Weaver

"STEVE-O" wrote in message
news:789FA8C7234C43C40146A8C5AB5E56BF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> dunno man.... i dont use otrack too much....
>
> --
> Steven O
> San Antonio, Texas
> Windows 2000 Pro
> AMD Processor (1GHz)
> 512 MB RAM
> Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> 2 ~ 19" monitors
> Acad 2002 with LD3
> System Printer Drivers
>
> "Anthony Mason" wrote in message
> news:22C3B166F9DB3645739CED4128860CD3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this post
in
> > the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -----------------
> > OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is undocked.
> >
> > Here's what I am used to:
> >
> > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> >
> > Enter Line command
> > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > Pull cursor to the left
> > Type 20 and hit enter
> >
> > Here's what I now have to do:
> >
> > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> >
> > Enter Line command
> > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > Pull cursor to the left
> > Type 20
> > *Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
> > Hit enter
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> > news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a
lot,
> > and
> > > i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though
because
> i
> > > put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who
> say
> > > they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc..,
> that
> > > shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn
> more
> > > skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> > > titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS
GETS
> > REAL
> > > OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that
do
> > what
> > > i just described..... real old....
> > > you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are
always
>
> > > needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time
or
> > will
> > > to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always
be
> > > needed....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steven O
> > > San Antonio, Texas
> > > Windows 2000 Pro
> > > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > > 512 MB RAM
> > > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > > System Printer Drivers
> > >
> > > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> > > program
> > > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in
demand
> > in
> > > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
> program?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

> dunno man.... i dont use otrack too much....

Wouldn't that also fall under, "...users who say they know acad real well,
but they dont xref, use paper space, etc (polar, osnap tracking).., " Maybe
a class is in order ..

--
Regards,

Paul Monsef
-----------------------------
TSA | architects, pllc
Production/CAD Manager
425.401.6828 x105
paulm@tsaarchitects.com

"STEVE-O" wrote in message
news:789FA8C7234C43C40146A8C5AB5E56BF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> dunno man.... i dont use otrack too much....
>
> --
> Steven O
> San Antonio, Texas
> Windows 2000 Pro
> AMD Processor (1GHz)
> 512 MB RAM
> Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> 2 ~ 19" monitors
> Acad 2002 with LD3
> System Printer Drivers
>
> "Anthony Mason" wrote in message
> news:22C3B166F9DB3645739CED4128860CD3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this post
in
> > the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -----------------
> > OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is undocked.
> >
> > Here's what I am used to:
> >
> > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> >
> > Enter Line command
> > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > Pull cursor to the left
> > Type 20 and hit enter
> >
> > Here's what I now have to do:
> >
> > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> >
> > Enter Line command
> > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > Pull cursor to the left
> > Type 20
> > *Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
> > Hit enter
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> > news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a
lot,
> > and
> > > i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though
because
> i
> > > put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who
> say
> > > they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc..,
> that
> > > shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn
> more
> > > skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> > > titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS
GETS
> > REAL
> > > OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that
do
> > what
> > > i just described..... real old....
> > > you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are
always
>
> > > needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time
or
> > will
> > > to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always
be
> > > needed....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steven O
> > > San Antonio, Texas
> > > Windows 2000 Pro
> > > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > > 512 MB RAM
> > > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > > System Printer Drivers
> > >
> > > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> > > program
> > > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in
demand
> > in
> > > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
> program?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Tell ya what, I'll try it out when i get home and let ya know..

--
Regards,

Paul Monsef
-----------------------------
TSA | architects, pllc
Production/CAD Manager
425.401.6828 x105
paulm@tsaarchitects.com

"Anthony Mason" wrote in message
news:22C3B166F9DB3645739CED4128860CD3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this post in
> the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
> Thanks.
>
> -----------------
> OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is undocked.
>
> Here's what I am used to:
>
> To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
>
> Enter Line command
> Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> Pull cursor to the left
> Type 20 and hit enter
>
> Here's what I now have to do:
>
> To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
>
> Enter Line command
> Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> Pull cursor to the left
> Type 20
> *Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
> Hit enter
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a lot,
> and
> > i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though because
i
> > put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who
say
> > they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc..,
that
> > shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn
more
> > skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> > titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS GETS
> REAL
> > OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that do
> what
> > i just described..... real old....
> > you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are always
> > needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time or
> will
> > to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always be
> > needed....
> >
> > --
> > Steven O
> > San Antonio, Texas
> > Windows 2000 Pro
> > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > 512 MB RAM
> > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > System Printer Drivers
> >
> > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> > program
> > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand
> in
> > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
program?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Yeah... How do you draft without using Otrack? Constuction lines? Say it
ain't so.

[Anonymous]

Groovy

[Anonymous]

wow..thanks for all the advice. I am aware that the bcit program is not just
one course.
I am at a fairly advanced acad level..comfortable with model/paper
space/layer management.. and pretty much all the snap,tracking,drawing and
ucs tools. I also have a good working knowledge of mdt.
Not having any formal training under my belt.whats the best way to approach
a potential employer..a cd rom of cad drawings and renderings along side a
resume?
"STEVE-O" wrote in message
news:9F688B239FE9CEA23084735E23BDE71E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> thats a good idea, but you still need to put a lot of time and effort into
> it.. and some of the best technicians i have seen have no schooling,
> either.... but when you run into a well taught and learned student (like
> myself) they are priceless for any firm to have....
>
> --
> Steven O
> San Antonio, Texas
> Windows 2000 Pro
> AMD Processor (1GHz)
> 512 MB RAM
> Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> 2 ~ 19" monitors
> Acad 2002 with LD3
> System Printer Drivers
>
> "Giebeler" wrote in message
> news:FD458A2FC7EC913B5F6A9828B41F41DB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > If you can learn on you own why don't you just buy a book? I was hired
> > before we started using Acad. When we made the change I just bought a
> book
> > and taught myself. I have yet to see a user from a school who knows as
> > much.
> >
> >
> > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> > program
> > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand
> in
> > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
program?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Well, i have to say i get the same results. It definitly does *NOT* work
properly with the command line undocked.

Paul.

"Anthony Mason" wrote in message
news:22C3B166F9DB3645739CED4128860CD3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this post in
> the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
> Thanks.
>
> -----------------
> OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is undocked.
>
> Here's what I am used to:
>
> To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
>
> Enter Line command
> Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> Pull cursor to the left
> Type 20 and hit enter
>
> Here's what I now have to do:
>
> To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
>
> Enter Line command
> Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> Pull cursor to the left
> Type 20
> *Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
> Hit enter
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a lot,
> and
> > i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though because
i
> > put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users who
say
> > they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space, etc..,
that
> > shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and learn
more
> > skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> > titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS GETS
> REAL
> > OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that do
> what
> > i just described..... real old....
> > you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are always
> > needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time or
> will
> > to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always be
> > needed....
> >
> > --
> > Steven O
> > San Antonio, Texas
> > Windows 2000 Pro
> > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > 512 MB RAM
> > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > System Printer Drivers
> >
> > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an autodesk
> > program
> > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in demand
> in
> > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
program?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

I think that it is a question of "window" focus in 2002.
When the command line is undocked Windows treats
it as a separate window--so that when you type in
your distance you have shifted the focus to the command
"window" and then must shift the focus back to the drawing
"window" in order to implement the direction. I had to
re-dock my command "window" to get rid of this irritation.
It didn't work that way in R14.

I think there might be a setting in Tweak UI that could
allow use of the floating command window, but I'm not sure.

Mark Major

[Anonymous]

i know how to use it, just dont need to too much, when i need to, i use
it.... tough guy...

--
Steven O
San Antonio, Texas
Windows 2000 Pro
AMD Processor (1GHz)
512 MB RAM
Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
2 ~ 19" monitors
Acad 2002 with LD3
System Printer Drivers

"Paul Monsef" wrote in message
news:AEC74E78B484E8E9D4B18D03D4FB1759@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > dunno man.... i dont use otrack too much....
>
> Wouldn't that also fall under, "...users who say they know acad real well,
> but they dont xref, use paper space, etc (polar, osnap tracking).., "
Maybe
> a class is in order ..
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Paul Monsef
> -----------------------------
> TSA | architects, pllc
> Production/CAD Manager
> 425.401.6828 x105
> paulm@tsaarchitects.com
>
> "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> news:789FA8C7234C43C40146A8C5AB5E56BF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > dunno man.... i dont use otrack too much....
> >
> > --
> > Steven O
> > San Antonio, Texas
> > Windows 2000 Pro
> > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > 512 MB RAM
> > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > System Printer Drivers
> >
> > "Anthony Mason" wrote in message
> > news:22C3B166F9DB3645739CED4128860CD3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Hey Steve-O, I noticed you have a dual monitor setup. I made this
post
> in
> > > the Arch-Desktop3 ng, but I'll post here too in case you can help me.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > > OTRACK doesn't work very well for me when the command line is
undocked.
> > >
> > > Here's what I am used to:
> > >
> > > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> > >
> > > Enter Line command
> > > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > > Pull cursor to the left
> > > Type 20 and hit enter
> > >
> > > Here's what I now have to do:
> > >
> > > To draw a line starting 20" to the left of an endpoint-
> > >
> > > Enter Line command
> > > Hover over endpoint until track node shows up
> > > Pull cursor to the left
> > > Type 20
> > > *Move mouse again to get OTRACK line back*
> > > Hit enter
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > "STEVE-O" wrote in message
> > > news:CDEA50717F8AB944F8C3A549AF35FC60@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > i went to ITT Tech. school for an associates degree... i learned a
> lot,
> > > and
> > > > i am still paying a lot for it... i got a lot out of it, though
> because
> > i
> > > > put a lot into it... thats the bottom line, when i run into users
who
> > say
> > > > they know acad real well, but they dont xref, use paper space,
etc..,
> > that
> > > > shows me immediately that the person does not want to excel and
learn
> > more
> > > > skills, instead they insert and explode xref's, insert a model space
> > > > titlebock, trim up the drawing and dont even "save it as".... THIS
> GETS
> > > REAL
> > > > OLD PEOPLE!!!!! yeah, im talking to all you people reading this that
> do
> > > what
> > > > i just described..... real old....
> > > > you will get out of acad what you put into it.... technicians are
> always
> >
> > > > needed... engineers, architects, and whoever else dont have the time
> or
> > > will
> > > > to learn a program as extensive as acad.... thats why we will always
> be
> > > > needed....
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Steven O
> > > > San Antonio, Texas
> > > > Windows 2000 Pro
> > > > AMD Processor (1GHz)
> > > > 512 MB RAM
> > > > Matrox Millenium G450 Dual Head
> > > > 2 ~ 19" monitors
> > > > Acad 2002 with LD3
> > > > System Printer Drivers
> > > >
> > > > "michael berg" wrote in message
> > > > news:5664670A04D1A731FCC241240BDC4059@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > I have been using autocad for my own business for sometime..and am
> > > > > considering improving and formalizing my knowledge with an
autodesk
> > > > program
> > > > > at bcit (local tech college). My question is..is this skill in
> demand
> > > in
> > > > > the job market? is it worth the time and $3500 to complete the
> > program?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>