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Message 1 of 20
Anonymous
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detail library

After many years of haphazard file naming, undocumented save locations, and just plain messy organization, my department has finally gotten the point that we seriously need to re-evaluate our detail organization. It seems that this time we may actually have the support from the powers-that-be to dedicate the required man-hours to follow through on it. That being said, I know there are a plethora of third party programs that offer details ready-made and packaged for easy selection and use. Since we have so much information to start with (plenty of details, just no structure for finding them!), what I'm really looking for is resources with information on efficient and effective ways to organize and document what we already have. Any suggestions of places to look or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated.
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Message 2 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Microsoft Windows SharePoint Technologies and Services is what you want to learn more about, likely the SharePoint Portal Server itself (SPS) rather than Windows SharePoint Services (WSS) upon which SPS depends and which most start with as WSS is free. Start reviewing here... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/technologies/sharepoint/default.asp SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.portalserver SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.windowsservices I reviewed your company's website and would suggest dumping php and developing with .NET. The point being, there is significant value to the customers in the markets you serve by doing so when you learn what is happening with Windows 2003 platforms, Office Systems and the SharePoint Technologies and Services. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ LaGarde StoreFront 5 Affiliate: e-Commerce Solutions SEE: http://www.storefront.net/default.asp?REFERER=-201499070 "Stephanie Emerick" wrote in message news:401a66d8_2@newsprd01... > After many years of haphazard file naming, undocumented save locations, and > just plain messy organization, my department has finally gotten the point > that we seriously need to re-evaluate our detail organization. It seems > that this time we may actually have the support from the powers-that-be to > dedicate the required man-hours to follow through on it. > > That being said, I know there are a plethora of third party programs that > offer details ready-made and packaged for easy selection and use. Since we > have so much information to start with (plenty of details, just no structure > for finding them!), what I'm really looking for is resources with > information on efficient and effective ways to organize and document what we > already have. > > Any suggestions of places to look or personal experiences would be greatly > appreciated. > >
Message 3 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

OMG not THIS again... Please enlighten us how using such technology would help a fellow organize detail libraries. Without costing a fortune in consulting costs. And what does the technology behind person's web site have to do with the question, again? Geeze. Anyway, building a decent detail library is actually pretty easy using not much more than Windows Explorer and Notepad. Gather your details, clean them up to current standards, and put similar ones in a folder. Create a folder hierarchy on your server for details based on CSI spec division or some other indusry standard. Or make your own! Next, build some basic AutoLISP code function to select a dwg file from a folder and insert it into the current drawing (e.g., using (getfiled)). Add additional code for scale if that is required. Lastly, create a simple pull-down menu for an interface to navigate to each folder, and for each menu item that points to a type of detail, infill the proper path to the detail folder as an argument in the call to your insert function. The user would simply go to tyhe pulldown menu, select the type of detail he/she wants, and is presented with a standard file dialog box. The person can select the file and preview it. Hitting OK inserts it into the drawing at the user's discretion. As a policy, have any detail candidates go through you or someone else for clean up and filing. Matt mstachoni@comcast.net mstachoni@bhhtait.com On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:42:02 -0600, "clintonG" wrote: >Microsoft Windows SharePoint Technologies and Services >is what you want to learn more about, likely the SharePoint >Portal Server itself (SPS) rather than Windows SharePoint >Services (WSS) upon which SPS depends and which most >start with as WSS is free. > >Start reviewing here... >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/technologies/sharepoint/default.asp > >SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.portalserver >SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.windowsservices > >I reviewed your company's website and would suggest dumping php >and developing with .NET. The point being, there is significant value to >the customers in the markets you serve by doing so when you learn what >is happening with Windows 2003 platforms, Office Systems and the >SharePoint Technologies and Services.
Message 4 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Stephanie Emerick wrote: > what I'm really looking for is resources with > information on efficient and effective ways to > organize and document what we already have. http://www.dotsoft.com/symblman.htm Terry
Message 5 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I don't have time to respond to flame bait. Do the research. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ LaGarde StoreFront 5 Affiliate: e-Commerce Solutions SEE: http://www.storefront.net/default.asp?REFERER=-201499070 "Matt Stachoni" wrote in message news:uoel10tgvdef8res69b38eiajtskdr4e9t@4ax.com... > OMG not THIS again... > > Please enlighten us how using such technology would help a fellow > organize detail libraries. Without costing a fortune in consulting > costs. > > And what does the technology behind person's web site have to do with > the question, again? > > Geeze. > > Anyway, building a decent detail library is actually pretty easy using > not much more than Windows Explorer and Notepad. > > Gather your details, clean them up to current standards, and put > similar ones in a folder. Create a folder hierarchy on your server for > details based on CSI spec division or some other indusry standard. Or > make your own! > > Next, build some basic AutoLISP code function to select a dwg file > from a folder and insert it into the current drawing (e.g., using > (getfiled)). Add additional code for scale if that is required. > > Lastly, create a simple pull-down menu for an interface to navigate to > each folder, and for each menu item that points to a type of detail, > infill the proper path to the detail folder as an argument in the call > to your insert function. > > The user would simply go to tyhe pulldown menu, select the type of > detail he/she wants, and is presented with a standard file dialog box. > The person can select the file and preview it. Hitting OK inserts it > into the drawing at the user's discretion. > > As a policy, have any detail candidates go through you or someone else > for clean up and filing. > > Matt > mstachoni@comcast.net > mstachoni@bhhtait.com > > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:42:02 -0600, "clintonG" > wrote: > > >Microsoft Windows SharePoint Technologies and Services > >is what you want to learn more about, likely the SharePoint > >Portal Server itself (SPS) rather than Windows SharePoint > >Services (WSS) upon which SPS depends and which most > >start with as WSS is free. > > > >Start reviewing here... > >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtech nol/windowsserver2003/technologies/sharepoint/default.asp > > > >SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.portalserver > >SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.windowsservices > > > >I reviewed your company's website and would suggest dumping php > >and developing with .NET. The point being, there is significant value to > >the customers in the markets you serve by doing so when you learn what > >is happening with Windows 2003 platforms, Office Systems and the > >SharePoint Technologies and Services. >
Message 6 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I did (a long ime ago) and nowhere in the literature does it say anything about "AutoCAD." Which, in my opinion, is pretty much a prerequisite for a task like what was asked in the original post. Matt mstachoni@comcast.net mstachoni@bhhtait.com On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:04:24 -0600, "clintonG" wrote: >I don't have time to respond to flame bait. Do the research.
Message 7 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.windowsservices where posts indicate that organizations are in fact adopting Windows SharePoint Services (WSS) intended for use with AutoCAD assets. It seems to me that there are two immediate considerations; one being native file viewing of AutoCAD assets within WSS and the other being able to load assets directly into AutoCAD. The converse is of course pertinent. Solutions are emerging. Acquiring WSS requires no licensing fees. It is the SharePoint Portal Server (SPS) that requires licensing fees as it runs 'on top of' WSS and provides much more value to organizations concerned with the economy of managing their data and document assets than when using WSS out of the proverbial box. AutoDesk customers are also advised to evaluate Office System 2003 to determine what can be accomplished using Smart Tags, Smart Documents, and XML Web Services. The final point being, these advisories being pertinent when one's concern is the economy of creating and managing assets in digital format. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ "Matt Stachoni" wrote in message news:4m11209krdt3qohudou24m1uu66nbde846@4ax.com... > I did (a long ime ago) and nowhere in the literature does it say > anything about "AutoCAD." > > Which, in my opinion, is pretty much a prerequisite for a task like > what was asked in the original post. > > Matt > mstachoni@comcast.net > mstachoni@bhhtait.com > > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:04:24 -0600, "clintonG" > wrote: > > >I don't have time to respond to flame bait. Do the research. >
Message 8 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

These SharePoint Portal Server reviews fell into my inbox this evening making it easy to provide for review http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1486199,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1372130,00.asp -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ LaGarde StoreFront 5 Affiliate: e-Commerce Solutions SEE: http://www.storefront.net/default.asp?REFERER=-201499070 "clintonG" wrote in message news:40214390$1_1@newsprd01... > SEE: news://microsoft.public.sharepoint.windowsservices where posts > indicate that organizations are in fact adopting Windows SharePoint > Services (WSS) intended for use with AutoCAD assets. > > It seems to me that there are two immediate considerations; one being > native file viewing of AutoCAD assets within WSS and the other being > able to load assets directly into AutoCAD. The converse is of course > pertinent. Solutions are emerging. > > Acquiring WSS requires no licensing fees. It is the SharePoint Portal > Server (SPS) that requires licensing fees as it runs 'on top of' WSS > and provides much more value to organizations concerned with the > economy of managing their data and document assets than when using > WSS out of the proverbial box. > > AutoDesk customers are also advised to evaluate Office System 2003 > to determine what can be accomplished using Smart Tags, Smart > Documents, and XML Web Services. > > The final point being, these advisories being pertinent when one's > concern is the economy of creating and managing assets in digital format. > > -- > <%= Clinton Gallagher > A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development > Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA > NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com > URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ > > > > > "Matt Stachoni" wrote in message > news:4m11209krdt3qohudou24m1uu66nbde846@4ax.com... > > I did (a long ime ago) and nowhere in the literature does it say > > anything about "AutoCAD." > > > > Which, in my opinion, is pretty much a prerequisite for a task like > > what was asked in the original post. > > > > Matt > > mstachoni@comcast.net > > mstachoni@bhhtait.com > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:04:24 -0600, "clintonG" > > wrote: > > > > >I don't have time to respond to flame bait. Do the research. > > > >
Message 9 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I still have no idea why you would suggest that Stephanie's company should have to - at a minimum: (a) Upgrade all CAD machines to Office Professional 2003, at a cost of - at minimum - $300/seat as an upgrade (~$500 for a new license). Note that to use SharePoint Services, you need the Professional version of Office, not the Small Business Edition; (b) Purchase Windows Sharepoint Portal Server, at a cost of $5,619 US for the server and 5 CALs, plus an additional $71 for each additional user or device; (c) Purchase and install Windows Server 2003 ($999 w/5 CALs, $40 for each additional CAL). Note that SPS does not run on NT or Windows 2000 server; (d) Possibly purchase a new server to host Win2K3 and it's accompanying MS SQL Server 2000 Desktop Engine (MSDE). IOW, you don't want this running on an existing fileserver. (e) Pay someone to plan, install and implement Win2K3, MSDE, SPS and Windows Sharepoint Services, without compromising their existing IT infastructure; (f) Pay someone to further customize SPS to handle AutoCAD details; (g) If required, edit those many CAD details to contain the required information that could "plug into" SPS; When you can efficiently manage the existing detail libraries with simple, free tools. It's like recommending decapitation as a cure for dandruff. Matt mstachoni@comcast.net mstachoni@bhhtait.com On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:28:55 -0600, "clintonG" wrote: >These SharePoint Portal Server reviews fell into my inbox this >evening making it easy to provide for review > >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1486199,00.asp >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1372130,00.asp
Message 10 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I visited the WD Partners site and observed the firm is a multidisciplinary organization involved in three market sectors where collaboration technologies are proving themselves invaluable. I believed and continue to believe that A/E/C organizations using AutoDesk's software should know about the existing and emerging benefits of Microsoft's 2003 platform and product releases as they relate to the benefits of portals and collaborative technologies. Each firm has to conduct their own due diligence and decide when to become involved and to which extent. Note I said 'when' not 'if' as the fee structures you provide are peanuts compared to the kind of revenues that will be won or lost by those adopting or ignoring the emerging technologies. The article "Blueprint For Change" [1] does not get explicit but it does indicate that change is in process and I agree. I don't think the article provided the coverage that this topic will continue to generate but again, I do think it is a timely expression of what is occurring and hints at what is already in progress. Especially with regard to coordination which must be a significant problem at WD Partners. [1] http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17500908 I can't say I entirely refute your point of view but I do see arguments that focus on price while ignoring the cost of doing business to be the same as those that were used to hedge and avoid adopting the use of CAD. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ "Matt Stachoni" wrote in message news:jp8520dlpiholepdgmfkge5240hluf6pon@4ax.com... > > I still have no idea why you would suggest that Stephanie's company > should have to - at a minimum: > > (a) Upgrade all CAD machines to Office Professional 2003, at a cost of > - at minimum - $300/seat as an upgrade (~$500 for a new license). Note > that to use SharePoint Services, you need the Professional version of > Office, not the Small Business Edition; > > (b) Purchase Windows Sharepoint Portal Server, at a cost of $5,619 US > for the server and 5 CALs, plus an additional $71 for each additional > user or device; > > (c) Purchase and install Windows Server 2003 ($999 w/5 CALs, $40 for > each additional CAL). Note that SPS does not run on NT or Windows 2000 > server; > > (d) Possibly purchase a new server to host Win2K3 and it's > accompanying MS SQL Server 2000 Desktop Engine (MSDE). IOW, you don't > want this running on an existing fileserver. > > (e) Pay someone to plan, install and implement Win2K3, MSDE, SPS and > Windows Sharepoint Services, without compromising their existing IT > infastructure; > > (f) Pay someone to further customize SPS to handle AutoCAD details; > > (g) If required, edit those many CAD details to contain the required > information that could "plug into" SPS; > > When you can efficiently manage the existing detail libraries with > simple, free tools. > > It's like recommending decapitation as a cure for dandruff. > > > Matt > mstachoni@comcast.net > mstachoni@bhhtait.com > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:28:55 -0600, "clintonG" > wrote: > > >These SharePoint Portal Server reviews fell into my inbox this > >evening making it easy to provide for review > > > >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1486199,00.asp > >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1372130,00.asp >
Message 11 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

In article <401B0AA6.CE6B2718@dotsoft.com>, dotson@dotsoft.com says... > Stephanie Emerick wrote: > > > what I'm really looking for is resources with > > information on efficient and effective ways to > > organize and document what we already have. > > http://www.dotsoft.com/symblman.htm > > Terry > I have used Terry's Symbol manager for years and its the best I could find then and now. Simple, clean, efficient and I feel for all those who have never seen it or used it. robert fuller
Message 12 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Stephanie; All banter put aside (guys this is not the forum to rant your personal preferences - Stephanie is asking for help, not gas) your not asking a difficult question. You have noticed that you have options from the very basic to the bleeding edge. The question is what do you want? This question you posed is very broad and lacks specifics of what you are looking for. My advice is develop the Scope of what you really need before you go looking for a solution. Sit down and analyze your needs first then find a product that suites your needs or find a company that can build a utility to suite your specific needs. Many points were brought up in this thread such as remote file access, data storage, simplicity of use/development and management, normalization of data, etc.. All of these are good points but really just banter if you don't have a clear goal in mind for what you need. First ask yourself: What does my company need? Then ask: What does my company want? Yes I am a custom solutions integrator and will always lean to the custom solution. In most cases it costs more than an off the shelf solution, but you will never need to hear "maybe we can get it into the next release" or "it can do almost everything you need" and you own the solution. So the utility has an unlimited shelf life. How's that for ROI. Yes I know why invest in a custom solution when you can balance the power of cutting edge technology in your favor. Because, you don't own or control the technology! You are at the mercy of the developers who must (in order to survive) develop there technologies to satisfy the largest group of entities, not just you. You must manipulate your business model to satisfy the software's development path because "its good for 80% of all other businesses". But (as mentioned in the thread) some of these technologies have extensive flexibility which plays into your favor. You'll just have to find the time and money to mold it to your need. As a manager, don't limit yourself in either direction custom solution, off the shelf, or a combination of both. All I can say is do your homework and carefully match your specification to what is available and you will win. Your going to find that on most of the NG's of this nature you will see a polarization around each camp which does not make your job any easier. Sorry. Things to look for: Simplistic functionality and layout Easy to navigate interface and AEC logical design (e.g. The program should speak the language of AEC, not application developer) Good management back-end to allow for normalization, organization and content of the library Scaleable to accommodate for multiple-design sites which will be utilizing the library Open Ended to allow for growth and possible tweaking as your team begins to find possible improvements to the application Hopefully this helps a bit. Good Luck And yes, I'm going to say it, If you need help, please feel free to call. -- Dean McCarns ESP,Inc. 804.675.2377 "Stephanie Emerick" wrote in message news:401a66d8_2@newsprd01... > After many years of haphazard file naming, undocumented save locations, and > just plain messy organization, my department has finally gotten the point > that we seriously need to re-evaluate our detail organization. It seems > that this time we may actually have the support from the powers-that-be to > dedicate the required man-hours to follow through on it. > > That being said, I know there are a plethora of third party programs that > offer details ready-made and packaged for easy selection and use. Since we > have so much information to start with (plenty of details, just no structure > for finding them!), what I'm really looking for is resources with > information on efficient and effective ways to organize and document what we > already have. > > Any suggestions of places to look or personal experiences would be greatly > appreciated. > >
Message 13 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

For AutoCAD 2002 and 2004, there is an elegant feature "Publish to web" built right in, under the file pull down. It allows you to gather up all your details in a logical fashion, makes DWF files of them and allows them to be published on your own Intranet. I'd recommend putting it securely behind your firewall.
Then others in your company can view these details with their webbrowser. If they have Autodesk Volo View they can even mark them up. CAD users can also use their web browser to retrieve them with Autodesk's iDrop technology, and plop them in their current drawing.
Most of this already comes with your AutoCAD package. The only thing which might cost extra is Voloview to mark up the details in the DWF format.
I'd encourage you to try this out. It takes a bit of planning, but should result in what you are looking for. Another option might be the design center in AutoCAD.
It all starts with organizing your existing details in a logical fashion in a central location with properly named folders (directories).
Good luck and let us know how it is going. I'm about to try the same thing starting about a month's time.
Message 14 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Your response is pertinent to the use of the SharePoint Technologies and Services. I'm not neccessarily suggesting that you are supporting my recommendation to EVALUATE SharePoint but your insights are consistent with the benefits of using SharePoint as I understand them. I'm waiting for my upgrade to ADT2004 to arrive (7-10 days) and I hope to make the time to determine exactly how publish to web may or may not be well suited for publishing to one or more Windows SharePoint Services websites -- in this context -- as each successive release of Microsoft's and AutoDesk's products alike are one more step forward toward the holy grail of the collaborative process. I think it also pertinent for CAD Managers to become aware of Microsoft's new WinFS (file system) that will be deployed in the next version of the OS platform currently code named LongHorn. WinFS as I understand it is a layer of services that utilize a SQL Server variant that is being embedded into the OS platform and is said to have been designed to resolve the types of problems expressed in this discussion. I've put an awful lot of time and effort into designing file and file system taxonomies, i.e. failures, and it is very difficult to get it right as 'right' is an elusive target that requires change and malleability, neither of which are friends of the current file system technology and both of which are cousins of chaos who happens to be the bastard offspring of the typical CAD Operator. It would be very interesting to have an intelligent file system that knew where to store assets based on properties and rules the asset would be required to expose to the file system manager before the asset could be saved. I wonder if vendors such as AutoDesk will ever consider building the hooks into their file formats? This seems to be possible within the realm of the emerging digital rights management paradigm. This seems to be possible via WinFS and the emerging future is one of compelling interest. At least to me. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ "JEMCAD" wrote in message news:24326114.1076426682875.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum1.autodesk.com... > For AutoCAD 2002 and 2004, there is an elegant feature "Publish to web" built right in, under the file pull down. It allows you to gather up all your details in a logical fashion, makes DWF files of them and allows them to be published on your own Intranet. I'd recommend putting it securely behind your firewall. > Then others in your company can view these details with their webbrowser. If they have Autodesk Volo View they can even mark them up. CAD users can also use their web browser to retrieve them with Autodesk's iDrop technology, and plop them in their current drawing. > Most of this already comes with your AutoCAD package. The only thing which might cost extra is Voloview to mark up the details in the DWF format. > I'd encourage you to try this out. It takes a bit of planning, but should result in what you are looking for. Another option might be the design center in AutoCAD. > It all starts with organizing your existing details in a logical fashion in a central location with properly named folders (directories). > Good luck and let us know how it is going. I'm about to try the same thing starting about a month's time.
Message 15 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

No, I don't think I do support your views and I think they are dangerous. I think you are confusing Stephanie, the author of the original post.
She stated that after a long time they managed to get the green light to pursue the development of a detail library. If she were to go back to her superiors and give them your recommendations, they'd quickly change their minds and go back to their status quo. It is very difficult in this economic climate for new expenses.
Therefore my recommendation involves little or no new expenses, just an alotment of time to develop a system with what they already own, in-house. More than likely that will fly with management, allowing a chunk of non-billable time to be devoted to it.
I'm not a techno phobic, but I've been around long enough not to be blinded by technology either. I am certain you believe your recommendations are sound and valid, I just happen to disagree with them. Keep It Simple!
Message 16 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I agree with you, JEMCAD.
What can be more cost effective than simply brouwse the already made drawings for suiteable Detail-blocks, and wblock them into a folder structure.
Use DesignCenter to browse it, and you're done.
No need for expensive software or consultants, no problems when one swithes from Acad version 15 to 18 or so...
Message 17 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

It was asked "What can be more cost effective? I can only answer with a war story that parallels the exact issues expressed by Stephanie who has conspicuously ducked but whom states the following which I quote... "After many years of haphazard file naming, undocumented save locations, and just plain messy organization..." A principle calls me in for consultation. Near tears (literally) he explains he is about to lose his firm as he has trusted technical advisor (CAD Manager) who I learn advocated KISS principle to manage this exact same occurence as quoted. To make long story short, principle explains how CAD Operators 'simply' browsed to wrong directory (regardless), simply picked wrong block (regardless) and simply inserted wrong block into drawing which was then released with deliverables resulting in loss to firm of multi-million dollar liability claim that plaintiff's lawyers simply won by simply showing that principle was negligent by simply avoiding a simple process to organize and coordinate assets that were simply used incorrectly resulting in disaster that lucky for simplicity sake did not result in any loss of life. I'll be leaving it at that as I have no idea how suggesting the evaluation of emerging technologies intended to help resolve such problems can pose a threat to common sense. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ LaGarde StoreFront 5 Affiliate: e-Commerce Solutions SEE: http://www.storefront.net/default.asp?REFERER=-201499070 "patrick_aps" wrote in message news:8367767.1076511652085.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > I agree with you, JEMCAD. > What can be more cost effective than simply brouwse the already made drawings for suiteable Detail-blocks, and wblock them into a folder structure. > Use DesignCenter to browse it, and you're done. > No need for expensive software or consultants, no problems when one swithes from Acad version 15 to 18 or so...
Message 18 of 20
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Although I do not wish to get dragged into this rant when the actual question is "Any suggestions of places to look or personal experience would be greatly appreciated." but I feel that I must speak out in regards to the last posting. * - I know most of this banter will fall loosely under the "personal experience" phrase but none of the rant is directed specifically at detail management (aka Assets) The principle mentioned in the last post should have lost his business point blank. If he was unwilling to QC the work he is ultimately stamping or entrusts individuals who represent the firm to allow incorrect documents to leave the firm without proper QC then it is ultimately his fault and should bare the responsibility. The fact that a draftsperson inserted the wrong "block" into a drawing and then that same drawing left the building without being questioned by an authority in charge is not a problem of the KISS principle in fact it is the fault of the people (person) who was unwilling to devote the necessary task of ensuring the job was completed accurately and to specification. This "personal experience" is not the whole picture and should not be taken too seriously unless the whole picture is shown. By that I mean that the "principle" who was in tears should have know this would eventually happen as he stated clearly that he was aware that "... CAD Operators 'simply' browsed to wrong.... etc..." and a problem existed. Why then did he not address the issue when he became aware or did he only become aware of the internal operations of his company after the fact? Simply put, in most cases (especially when it comes to data security and integrity) companies spend less money and devote less resources to this mission critical asset than office furnishings because to most people data is a non-tangible item until it is lost, then it becomes the highest possible priority, at which time it's usually too late. "... above all else, all companies, small and large have one common link, data. How they create, manipulate, manage and disseminate this data ultimately affects the companies bottom line on a daily basis and unfortunately it is this critical link that is (in most cases) overlooked and becomes the companies biggest liability when it is lost, corrupted or managed improperly..." Dean McCarns - speaking with Richmond architectural and engineering firm principles during a meeting to help educate senior staff on the affects of poorly planned CAD and IT systems for there respective firms.* * - To there credit, this was not a sales meeting but a request by several area firms to help them become more familiar with there CAD and IT needs and be able to understand why they should pump so much money into IT infrastructure. I can go on for hours on this but I will not because after all none of this has to due with finding a good detail manager for Stephanie. -- Dean McCarns ESP,Inc. 804.675.2377 "clintonG" wrote in message news:402a760a$1_3@newsprd01... > It was asked "What can be more cost effective? I can only answer > with a war story that parallels the exact issues expressed by > Stephanie who has conspicuously ducked but whom states the > following which I quote... > > "After many years of haphazard file naming, undocumented save > locations, and just plain messy organization..." > > A principle calls me in for consultation. Near tears (literally) he > explains he is about to lose his firm as he has trusted technical advisor > (CAD Manager) who I learn advocated KISS principle to manage > this exact same occurence as quoted. > > To make long story short, principle explains how CAD Operators > 'simply' browsed to wrong directory (regardless), simply picked > wrong block (regardless) and simply inserted wrong block into > drawing which was then released with deliverables resulting in loss > to firm of multi-million dollar liability claim that plaintiff's lawyers > simply won by simply showing that principle was negligent by > simply avoiding a simple process to organize and coordinate assets > that were simply used incorrectly resulting in disaster that lucky for > simplicity sake did not result in any loss of life. > > I'll be leaving it at that as I have no idea how suggesting the > evaluation of emerging technologies intended to help resolve > such problems can pose a threat to common sense. > > -- > <%= Clinton Gallagher > A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development > Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA > NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com > URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ > > LaGarde StoreFront 5 Affiliate: e-Commerce Solutions > SEE: http://www.storefront.net/default.asp?REFERER=-201499070 > > > > > > > "patrick_aps" wrote in message > news:8367767.1076511652085.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > I agree with you, JEMCAD. > > What can be more cost effective than simply brouwse the already made > drawings for suiteable Detail-blocks, and wblock them into a folder > structure. > > Use DesignCenter to browse it, and you're done. > > No need for expensive software or consultants, no problems when one > swithes from Acad version 15 to 18 or so... > >
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

No design review, including the CD's (construction documents)... Absolutely no quality control... No wonder he lost his business, lucky he did'nt lose his license to practise... All these great and wonderful "emerging technologies" can promise to solve our problems that we face while trying to just do our work, but the bottom line is that a responsible person has got to make sure the right product is moving out the door. "clintonG" wrote in message news:402a760a$1_3@newsprd01... > It was asked "What can be more cost effective? I can only answer > with a war story that parallels the exact issues expressed by > Stephanie who has conspicuously ducked but whom states the > following which I quote... > > "After many years of haphazard file naming, undocumented save > locations, and just plain messy organization..." > > A principle calls me in for consultation. Near tears (literally) he > explains he is about to lose his firm as he has trusted technical advisor > (CAD Manager) who I learn advocated KISS principle to manage > this exact same occurence as quoted. > > To make long story short, principle explains how CAD Operators > 'simply' browsed to wrong directory (regardless), simply picked > wrong block (regardless) and simply inserted wrong block into > drawing which was then released with deliverables resulting in loss > to firm of multi-million dollar liability claim that plaintiff's lawyers > simply won by simply showing that principle was negligent by > simply avoiding a simple process to organize and coordinate assets > that were simply used incorrectly resulting in disaster that lucky for > simplicity sake did not result in any loss of life. > > I'll be leaving it at that as I have no idea how suggesting the > evaluation of emerging technologies intended to help resolve > such problems can pose a threat to common sense. > > -- > <%= Clinton Gallagher > A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development > Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA > NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com > URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ > > LaGarde StoreFront 5 Affiliate: e-Commerce Solutions > SEE: http://www.storefront.net/default.asp?REFERER=-201499070 > > > > > > > "patrick_aps" wrote in message > news:8367767.1076511652085.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > > I agree with you, JEMCAD. > > What can be more cost effective than simply brouwse the already made > drawings for suiteable Detail-blocks, and wblock them into a folder > structure. > > Use DesignCenter to browse it, and you're done. > > No need for expensive software or consultants, no problems when one > swithes from Acad version 15 to 18 or so... > >
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Quite the rant on this thread.  Why am I here?  I was looking for information on creating a details library.  Although as I skimmed this thread I came to seriously feel sympathy for poor Stephanie as she didn't get anything answered about her dilema.  I wonder after 7 years if poor Stephanie got her problem solved.  Let's hope so.  LOL.

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