bylayer or not......

[slybry75]

I have someone here that says it is better to have less layers and make changes to lines by using the pull down (not bylayer), as apposed to having more layers with everything bylayer.

What do you think?

[Anonymous]

Hey Corey, did you go back and browse this thread I linked in my other
reply?

http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=640963

We have been debating this for a long time....... 🙂

Evan

[Anonymous]

Evan Larson wrote:
> Hey Corey, did you go back and browse this thread I linked in my other
> reply?
>
> http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=640963
>
> We have been debating this for a long time....... 🙂
>
> Evan

Heyyyyy...

funny how things change.
I wasn't necessarily a nay-sayer,
but I seemed skeptical.

now look at me...
Reply From: Layton, Corey A.
Date: Jun/21/02 - 08:06 (GMT)

Re:
> I've gone completely STB now.

I wish that had the courage...
Would be a tough transition for an office of more than 1.
I get it,
but trying to teach the concept to my staff?
It'd be like teaching paperspace all over again.
ugh.

[Anonymous]

Hey Evan;

I'll have to go over that when I've got my whit's about me. Too much time
spent on getting my taxes done the last two or three nights.

I'll require far more sleep to be able to keep up with all of the thoughts
being expressed in the 1st thread you pointed me to.

And it's not so much me (and those like me) that would need to "buy-in" to a
change in the system re. Land Desktop. It's the folks I work around who
enjoy their "add-ons" they've needed to come up with to produce their plans
in the most time-efficient manner for the Civil communities use -
Contractors, Surveyors, Plan Checkers, etc.

Thanks for pointing those threads out to me, and I WILL go over them in the
near future.

Must apply sleep soon though, in order to keep up with everything in my
life. 🙂

--
Don Reichle
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than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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"Evan Larson" wrote in message
news:5128344@discussion.autodesk.com...
Don,

It was short and to the point but Corey has the answer. It is bylayer or
death to the infidels for most people, there is no changing peoples minds so
I don't usually go into details 🙂

See this thread, http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=457616

I think it gives a pretty good synapsys. That is an ADT discussion however
that rationale can be used for all. It is time for AutoCAD itself to
include a display system but it will not happen because even ADT people do
not use it. In actuality the argument is mute because there is no way
people would give up bylayer no matter how good another system is.

And here is why I think this is a mute point...
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=640963 Note this was
back in June of 2002! Wow talk about getting nowhere in four years...

In a nutshell, as you move to more object based drafting the drawbacks of
bylayer become more pronounced, it is time for a change.

Evan



"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5127901@discussion.autodesk.com...
So you've crossed over into the "STB Zone" - or what?

Explaining the reasons why might help us non-believers.

--
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than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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[Anonymous]

Thanks Evan.

[Anonymous]

No. But sometimes I've been presently surprised.

"Corey A. Layton" wrote in message
news:5128964@discussion.autodesk.com...
Allen Jessup wrote:
> Well. We already have containers. They're called Groups.

Groups are a great idea, but never were developed (by Autodesk) beyond their
first incarnation. Cast to the island of misfit cad-toys (along with Traces,
Regions, etc.)

> If they
> beefed up the interface for controlling Groups it might become quite
> useful.

I wouldn't hold your breath...

But you're right.
so, right...

[Anonymous]

Thanks again.

[Anonymous]

No problem John,

I have a bunch of million dollar ideas that have netted me $0.00. Actually
that would make them $0.00 ideas 🙂

I believe it was Steve Martin who said "how do you become a millionaire,
first get a million dollars...." Don't think that relates to the topic but
I like the quote 🙂

When it is all said and done I really don't care if everyone else uses
by-layer, no skin of my nose. The problem is as long as there is no support
for enhancing the display system it will be as it is now and was since
inception a great and powerful tool that was allowed to wither on the vine.

Evan

"John Mayo" wrote in message
news:5128986@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks again.

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't want to put my neck on the line, but users who don't 'bylayer' need to be whipped into shape, and Melanie is just the
maiden to do it.

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"Don Reichle" wrote in message news:5128928@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sounds like this topic is getting mighty close to that "edge" that's been
discussed from time to time.

Iron Maidens;
Cats-o-nine-tails;
Guillotines;

What kind of industry(s) produces those types of thoughts anyway? 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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"PJ" wrote in message
news:5127963@discussion.autodesk.com...
cool. I have an iron maiden, want to swap?

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5127269@discussion.autodesk.com...
;) already have one... I use it on all of my contractors who create x-refs
and blocks with entities that aren't bylayer.

"Ed Jobe" wrote in message
news:5127244@discussion.autodesk.com...
Melanie, you're brutal. Wanna borrow my cat-o-nine-tails?

--
----
Ed
----

[Anonymous]

agreed

I don't want to forsake the power over xref colours for ease in output/screen colour control using .stb

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5128562@discussion.autodesk.com...
Why? To control the "look" of xref'd layers during the design phase.

We frequently use XREF's only as an aid to design. These XREF's will never be part of the final drawings, but are used during the
design phase for checking clearances and such. It is helpful from a "display" standpoint to push these elements to say a single
unused color, say 251, that will still allow them to be seen, but only in "background". If the color is "hard-coded" into the
element, this flexibility is diminished.

[Anonymous]

my brain is fuzzy from lack of sleep combined with beer... but why not a plot by layer (assign a plot colour and lineweight to a
layer) versus screen colour. Thus change the screen colour and all objects display differently, but plot according to object
importance/presentation. back off plot weight and/or colour and you get plotted backgrounds without sacrificing the concept that new
walls are green, demo'd are red etc

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5127099@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have someone here that says it is better to have less layers and make changes to lines by using the pull down (not bylayer), as
apposed to having more layers with everything bylayer.

What do you think?

[Anonymous]

From this moment on I am hard color all my entities until receiving said
whippin'

(talk about a thread going the wrong direction, Don)

"PJ" wrote in message
news:5129096@discussion.autodesk.com...
I wouldn't want to put my neck on the line, but users who don't 'bylayer'
need to be whipped into shape, and Melanie is just the
maiden to do it.

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5128928@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sounds like this topic is getting mighty close to that "edge" that's been
discussed from time to time.

Iron Maidens;
Cats-o-nine-tails;
Guillotines;

What kind of industry(s) produces those types of thoughts anyway? 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
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1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce4 MX 4000 128MB



"PJ" wrote in message
news:5127963@discussion.autodesk.com...
cool. I have an iron maiden, want to swap?

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5127269@discussion.autodesk.com...
;) already have one... I use it on all of my contractors who create x-refs
and blocks with entities that aren't bylayer.

"Ed Jobe" wrote in message
news:5127244@discussion.autodesk.com...
Melanie, you're brutal. Wanna borrow my cat-o-nine-tails?

--
----
Ed
----

[Anonymous]

"Cad Managers" are a special group I'm thinking Dave.

They need to be - check the "argh... users" thread above. 🙂

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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----------------------------------------------------------
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"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
news:5129146@discussion.autodesk.com...
From this moment on I am hard color all my entities until receiving said
whippin'

(talk about a thread going the wrong direction, Don)

"PJ" wrote in message
news:5129096@discussion.autodesk.com...
I wouldn't want to put my neck on the line, but users who don't 'bylayer'
need to be whipped into shape, and Melanie is just the
maiden to do it.

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5128928@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sounds like this topic is getting mighty close to that "edge" that's been
discussed from time to time.

Iron Maidens;
Cats-o-nine-tails;
Guillotines;

What kind of industry(s) produces those types of thoughts anyway? 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
C3D/LDT/CD/SVY-2K6
AMD XP 3200+ 2.2GHz
XPPro 32bit SP2
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce4 MX 4000 128MB



"PJ" wrote in message
news:5127963@discussion.autodesk.com...
cool. I have an iron maiden, want to swap?

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"melanie stone" wrote in message
news:5127269@discussion.autodesk.com...
;) already have one... I use it on all of my contractors who create x-refs
and blocks with entities that aren't bylayer.

"Ed Jobe" wrote in message
news:5127244@discussion.autodesk.com...
Melanie, you're brutal. Wanna borrow my cat-o-nine-tails?

--
----
Ed
----

[old-cadaver]

Careful Princess, that's twice you've agreed with me, they're gonna revoke your postin' privileges.

[Anonymous]

this is a mutual agreement. awe've always had it as bylayer. when stb's came out I reviewed it and thouyght, well i could use stb's
and have everything bylayer, but I'm not sure of the advantage in that, especially seeing as evryone we work with uses crb's and you
had that whole having to use convertpstylepolicy thing.

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5129189@discussion.autodesk.com...
Careful Princess, that's twice you've agreed with me, they're gonna revoke your postin' privileges.

[Anonymous]

(setvar "channellingclintonG" 1)

having everything bylayer means you have adopted the fascist's state layer policy wherein the neofascistas in the AIA perpetuate the
sheep/slavery paradigm by kowtowing to the decrepit old guard who have no practical knowledge whatsover about cad except to
infiltrate and corrupt the creative potential of future members thereby enshrining their outdated imperialistic dogmatic designs
and ideas in a typical fascist statist fashion.
I once sat on the "futurecadranters" society committee and witnessed firsthand the disruptive and divisive techniques of the
fascust AIA who hand in hand with microsoft and adesk crippled the use of their products in a typically fascist anti creative
caustic atmosphere of digital bylayer poison.

(setvar "channellingclintonG" 0)

whew! glad that's over! (deleting toolbutton)

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5127099@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have someone here that says it is better to have less layers and make changes to lines by using the pull down (not bylayer), as
apposed to having more layers with everything bylayer.

What do you think?

[Anonymous]

Hey PJ;

I'm thinking he may miss your humorous concoction re. one of his rants. 🙂

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
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"PJ" wrote in message
news:5129235@discussion.autodesk.com...
(setvar "channellingclintonG" 1)

having everything bylayer means you have adopted the fascist's state layer
policy wherein the neofascistas in the AIA perpetuate the
sheep/slavery paradigm by kowtowing to the decrepit old guard who have no
practical knowledge whatsover about cad except to
infiltrate and corrupt the creative potential of future members thereby
enshrining their outdated imperialistic dogmatic designs
and ideas in a typical fascist statist fashion.
I once sat on the "futurecadranters" society committee and witnessed
firsthand the disruptive and divisive techniques of the
fascust AIA who hand in hand with microsoft and adesk crippled the use of
their products in a typically fascist anti creative
caustic atmosphere of digital bylayer poison.

(setvar "channellingclintonG" 0)

whew! glad that's over! (deleting toolbutton)

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5127099@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have someone here that says it is better to have less layers and make
changes to lines by using the pull down (not bylayer), as
apposed to having more layers with everything bylayer.

What do you think?

[Anonymous]

humour is not one of his assets.

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

"Don Reichle" wrote in message news:5129258@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey PJ;

I'm thinking he may miss your humorous concoction re. one of his rants. 🙂

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
LDT-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2GHz
XPPro 32bit SP2
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB
WD 36GB Raptor

"PJ" wrote in message
news:5129235@discussion.autodesk.com...
(setvar "channellingclintonG" 1)

having everything bylayer means you have adopted the fascist's state layer
policy wherein the neofascistas in the AIA perpetuate the
sheep/slavery paradigm by kowtowing to the decrepit old guard who have no
practical knowledge whatsover about cad except to
infiltrate and corrupt the creative potential of future members thereby
enshrining their outdated imperialistic dogmatic designs
and ideas in a typical fascist statist fashion.
I once sat on the "futurecadranters" society committee and witnessed
firsthand the disruptive and divisive techniques of the
fascust AIA who hand in hand with microsoft and adesk crippled the use of
their products in a typically fascist anti creative
caustic atmosphere of digital bylayer poison.

(setvar "channellingclintonG" 0)

whew! glad that's over! (deleting toolbutton)

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5127099@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have someone here that says it is better to have less layers and make
changes to lines by using the pull down (not bylayer), as
apposed to having more layers with everything bylayer.

What do you think?

[Anonymous]

Great Clinton G rant.
The only thing you left out was how adesk and the Red Chinese menace are in bed with each other.

John P.

[Anonymous]

meh, that was assumed from the get go, along with Bush's global outsourcing policy making sure all our jobs are sent to India

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5129319@discussion.autodesk.com...
Great Clinton G rant.
The only thing you left out was how adesk and the Red Chinese menace are in bed with each other.

John P.

[Anonymous]

After perusing that post I'm thinking that PJ's imbibing had taken effect.
:-)

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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"PJ" wrote in message
news:5129206@discussion.autodesk.com...
this is a mutual agreement. awe've always had it as bylayer. when stb's
came out I reviewed it and thouyght, well i could use stb's
and have everything bylayer, but I'm not sure of the advantage in that,
especially seeing as evryone we work with uses crb's and you
had that whole having to use convertpstylepolicy thing.

--
Princess Jamie,

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
- Anais Nin

wrote in message news:5129189@discussion.autodesk.com...
Careful Princess, that's twice you've agreed with me, they're gonna revoke
your postin' privileges.