X-ref issues

[dloughnane]

Hi guys,

We have a problem at the moment. Some of the x-refs we are using seem to revert to a previous saved state.
Our IT dept. say it's nothing to do with them that it's a user problem.
If that is true then someone is copying a file, holding on to it for a couple of days and then putting it back in the original folder and overwriting the up-to-date file.

Could this be caused by anything else anyone is aware of?

I had asked the IT dept. if it was something to do with the server back-up but it's not, or so i'm told.
It's happened to one file at least 3 times. It's also been noticed by another so i'm not going mad!!

Regards,

Damo.

[troye]

do not soft path.

[Anonymous]

Sound like subterfuge.

in windows explore show "owner" and "modified date". confront the user,
search there HD and get an explanation

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wrote in message news:5806763@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi guys,

We have a problem at the moment. Some of the x-refs we are using seem to
revert to a previous saved state.
Our IT dept. say it's nothing to do with them that it's a user problem.
If that is true then someone is copying a file, holding on to it for a
couple of days and then putting it back in the original folder and
overwriting the up-to-date file.

Could this be caused by anything else anyone is aware of?

I had asked the IT dept. if it was something to do with the server back-up
but it's not, or so i'm told.
It's happened to one file at least 3 times. It's also been noticed by
another so i'm not going mad!!

Regards,

Damo.

[troye]

why do people always have to copy th post and put it in their post? we know what the post says!

[Anonymous]

troye wrote:
> why do people always have to copy th post and put it in their post? we know what the post says!

Take a look at:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands/nnq/nquote.html
...for one opinion.

Basically, for future searching purposes.
If someone pulls up your first reply in this thread, 5 years
from now while searching for "X-Ref issues" and all they see is:

"do not soft path."

...it won't make any sense.


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[Anonymous]

Nice link. And scary since for some bizarre reason I was thinking about
Gilligan's Island this morning.

It's good that it mentioned trimming or "snipping" a quote. That way you can
add what may be needed and still keep the post short. It used to be almost
mandatory when Autodesk cared about the space the posts took on the servers.

It also depends on how you read the posts. I use OE. So I open each post
individually. Having some of the previous posts quoted makes it easier to
understand some without going back to reopen the previous ones. On the Web
side it's all laid out in one window. Also for some reason I sometimes can't
see the original post in OE. So if it isn't quoted I may not have much idea
what the OP was looking for.

Allen

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
news:5806895@discussion.autodesk.com...
troye wrote:
> why do people always have to copy th post and put it in their post? we
> know what the post says!

Take a look at:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands/nnq/nquote.html
...for one opinion.

Basically, for future searching purposes.
If someone pulls up your first reply in this thread, 5 years
from now while searching for "X-Ref issues" and all they see is:

"do not soft path."

...it won't make any sense.


--
R.K. McSwain
http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com

[Tom Smith]

>It also depends on how you read the posts

I agree with the "snippet" being all that's reasonably needed to make sense of the post.

What bothers me is when somebody back-quotes a message including all 475 lines of broken lisp in its entirety, along with their 350-line improvement on it, and then they get to talking with another chronic back-quoter, who then re-quotes the entire text of the message to which he's responding, including his own message and all of its back-quotes, ad nauseum.

There are some threads where nearly every single message contains the entire contents of the thread up to that point. And on the web side, we have to scroll all the way through all of it to try to find what's current. Might be cool in OE but it's obnoxious on the web interface.

I think every regular user, regardless of their prefered interface, ought to just look once in a while at the other interface, and see how their preferences come across to people on the other side.

[Anonymous]

Tom Smith wrote:


> I agree with the "snippet" being all that's reasonably
> needed to make sense of the post.

True.

>
> What bothers me is when somebody back-quotes a message
> including all 475 lines of broken lisp in its entirety,
> along with their 350-line improvement...

True again...


> There are some threads where nearly every single message
> contains the entire contents of the thread up to that
> point. And on the web side, we have to scroll all the way
> through all of it to try to find what's current.

I can see where that might be a problem. That is why I stick
with the NNTP side....


> I think every regular user, regardless of their prefered
> interface, ought to just look once in a while at the
> other interface, and see how their preferences come
> across to people on the other side.

No thanks. Thunderbird nicely quotes, indents, and colors
the quotes - compared to no control over Adsk's choice of
HTTP forum software. You would think that the HTTP users
would be the ones to be more conscience of how much they
quote...


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[Tom Smith]

R.K., by "just look once" I meant precisely that, and certainly didn't mean to imply that anyone should change their life. I've used both interfaces, and have my own preference.

I would think that the web side users ARE the ones more conscious of how and what they quote, since they have to do it manually. There's no option for automatically backquoting everything in its entirety, which seems to be pretty much the exclusive province of the newsreader faction.

I expect that if people would take just one glance at what the other half is seeing, they'd restrict their quoting to what is reasonable to convey meaning, as you do. And that one dude with the fancy HTML sig line would realize that picking the "use HTML" option in his newsreader produces an ugly mess to the rest of us, which isn't such a great advert for his computer talents.

[Anonymous]

I've quoted for years, got blasted for it.......

Stopped quoting a few weeks ago...... got blasted anyway. It's a no-win
situation...

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[Tom Smith]

>It's a no-win situation

Dennis, my point is, it's not an all-or-nothing thing. You can (manually) quote a snippet to tie things together without doing an all-out automatic total repetition of the other person's post.

I don't recall anyone ever objecting to that, but have seen objections both to giving no context at all, and to quoting altogether too much.

[Anonymous]

Some things to consider:

Is this a simple VISRETAIN problem? From your description, it seems like it
is more complicated, but I thought I'd ask.

Is anyone working on anything at home? We have an engineer who will save a
file or folder to a thumb drive and work on stuff at home; it has caused
minor problems in the past, such as older files overwriting newer ones when
he bring his files "back" This is not a situation that we can control since
he technically outranks us. Very frustrating.

I've also seen some users who "help out" by only working on a copy of a
file. So after the user has spent all day modifying something, you can't
find it because what was actually modified was renamed.

Anybody lose a server drive lately? We had one go a few months back. Our IT
consultant had to use back-ups to rebuild some of it. We occasionally notice
some drawings that have vanished and others that were not the latest
version.

wrote in message news:5806763@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi guys,

We have a problem at the moment. Some of the x-refs we are using seem to
revert to a previous saved state.
Our IT dept. say it's nothing to do with them that it's a user problem.
If that is true then someone is copying a file, holding on to it for a
couple of days and then putting it back in the original folder and
overwriting the up-to-date file.

Could this be caused by anything else anyone is aware of?

I had asked the IT dept. if it was something to do with the server back-up
but it's not, or so i'm told.
It's happened to one file at least 3 times. It's also been noticed by
another so i'm not going mad!!

Regards,

Damo.

[Anonymous]

Could be IT, you know those people, their geekiness gets in the way of
reason.

Seriously, we've had the same problem, and it was the Windows NT undelete
restoring files for some reason.

I'd punch your IT people in the glasses. 😉

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wrote in message news:5806763@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi guys,

We have a problem at the moment. Some of the x-refs we are using seem to
revert to a previous saved state.
Our IT dept. say it's nothing to do with them that it's a user problem.
If that is true then someone is copying a file, holding on to it for a
couple of days and then putting it back in the original folder and
overwriting the up-to-date file.

Could this be caused by anything else anyone is aware of?

I had asked the IT dept. if it was something to do with the server back-up
but it's not, or so i'm told.
It's happened to one file at least 3 times. It's also been noticed by
another so i'm not going mad!!

Regards,

Damo.

[Anonymous]

"jvd" wrote
> Seriously, we've had the same problem, and it was the Windows NT undelete

Oops, I meant backup, not undelete.

[dloughnane]

Hi Jon,

thanks for your reply.
Ah if only it was visretain!! it's the actual files themselves not their hosts.
Well no one is supposed to work on stuff at home and the files that had the problem were files that only i worked on and i don't even have a computer at home!!
We recently moved and changed servers with IT accepts may have caused it once but once only, the other two occasions are "user interferance"!!
I think JVD may have a something!!

Thanks again,
Damo.

[dloughnane]

Hi jvd,

that's what i thought but IT say it couldn't happen!!

Well if it's happened somewhere else it could happen here!!

So how was this porbelm "fixed"?? Just in case it happens here again!!

Regards,

Damo. Message was edited by: Damo

[Anonymous]

I don't know exactly what fixed the problem, I think it was something about
backups occuring at about 8pm, and it thinking that the backup file was more
recent than the current file or something. Maybe a wrong timezone or server
time or something?

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wrote in message news:5811191@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi jvd,

that's what i thought but IT say it couldn't happen!!

Well if it's happened somewhere else it could happen here!!

So how was this porbelm "fixed"?? Just in case it happens here again!!

Regards,

Damo.

Message was edited by: Damo

[dloughnane]

thank you,

Damo.