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Who's read their Autodesk Subscription and Licence Agreements?

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Message 1 of 26
Anonymous
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Who's read their Autodesk Subscription and Licence Agreements?

Who's read their Autodesk Subscription and Licence Agreements?

- Yes, you have said 'ok' to Autodesk personally or electronically searching
your computers (and entering your premises), and charging if they find a
'reason' to!
- Hit on hard times and come to an arrangement with a creditor to tide you
over? Whoops, don't count on using your CAD licence, it was cancelled
automatically when you shook hands on the 'financial arrangement'!
- Did you know CAD software can travel, of course IT can, but you can't use
yours (IT) away from its purchased jurisdiction?
- Don't worry tho', Autodesk will give you back some of your money (without
interest) when for any 'convenient' reason it cancels your subscription?

Read it all guysngals, there is more, this is a business partnership?

Have you all read and fully understood your Subscription and Licence
Agreement?
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Message 2 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Not another one?!?

"R. Paul Waddington" wrote in message
news:4849895@discussion.autodesk.com...
Who's read their Autodesk Subscription and Licence Agreements?

- Yes, you have said 'ok' to Autodesk personally or electronically searching
your computers (and entering your premises), and charging if they find a
'reason' to!
- Hit on hard times and come to an arrangement with a creditor to tide you
over? Whoops, don't count on using your CAD licence, it was cancelled
automatically when you shook hands on the 'financial arrangement'!
- Did you know CAD software can travel, of course IT can, but you can't use
yours (IT) away from its purchased jurisdiction?
- Don't worry tho', Autodesk will give you back some of your money (without
interest) when for any 'convenient' reason it cancels your subscription?

Read it all guysngals, there is more, this is a business partnership?

Have you all read and fully understood your Subscription and Licence
Agreement?
Message 3 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

why bother?

What can you do to avoid agreeing?

software companies are immune to most lawsuits so far.... I think I read
that someplace.

What works for one software company becomes standard legalese for them all.

How many of these software agreements have you read before saying yes?

How many have you chosen not to install and use because of the agreement?

Maybe someday there will be a major class action lawsuit against the entire
software industry. One reason I can see is that in some ways there is a
threat that if you do not agree to these "agreements" you will not be able
to make a living in the current accepted methods available because all
software companies force you to agree to almost the same agreement. It does
not matter which software you chose, you have to agree to just about the
same language. Being forced to agree by itself would usually nullify the
agreement, but apparently that is not so in the case of software.

If you have some constructive ideas, I for one would like to see you post
them someplace, but if all you want to do is make me upset, ...well, you
did.

Jack Talsky
Message 4 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"software companies are immune to most lawsuits so far"

Interesting comment. If I buy a new car and it has faults, you are within your rights to get them to fix it, or give you one that works. Isn't it strange how software companies can sell you software with bugs and then not fix these faults. Some of the bugs in ADT have been there for a few releases now. Any other industry would be forced by 'fit for purpose' laws to rectify faulty products, but not the software industry???
Message 5 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:48:31 +0000, jmcintyre <> wrote:

>"software companies are immune to most lawsuits so far"
>
>Interesting comment. If I buy a new car and it has faults, you are within your rights to get them to fix it, or give you one that works. Isn't it strange how software companies can sell you software with bugs and then not fix these faults. Some of the bugs in ADT have been there for a few releases now. Any other industry would be forced by 'fit for purpose' laws to rectify faulty products, but not the software industry???

It is because the software industry is the only industry where you can
sign away your rights when you accept a license agreement.
Unfortunately, the powers that be are too bamboozled by computers and so
it becomes all to difficult for them.

--

Regards,

Ian A. White, CPEng
ianwhite@wai.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Ph: +61 418 203 229
Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
Home Page: www.wai.com.au
Message 6 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Way to go Ian!
That's about the best, most concise, "in a nutshell" explanation I've heard
yet.

Ian A. White wrote:

> It is because the software industry is the only industry where you can
> sign away your rights when you accept a license agreement.
> Unfortunately, the powers that be are too bamboozled by computers and so
> it becomes all to difficult for them.
>
Message 7 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I am waiting for some congress men, the VP or the President to get screwed
somehow by one of these agreements, or a big time judge.....maybe then
something would happen to change things.

Jack
Message 8 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous


I'd heard that the Govt. is one of the largest purpotrators of pirated
software. I think there was some estimate of like 20% of their software is
unauthorized.
Funny how that Microsoft anti-trust stuff kinda just dropped off the radar.

JMT ang wrote:

> I am waiting for some congress men, the VP or the President to get screwed
> somehow by one of these agreements, or a big time judge.....maybe then
> something would happen to change things.
>
> Jack

That'd be nice, but I doubt it'll happen. Seems that "THEY" always end up
profiting by it.
Message 9 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

On Fri, 20 May 2005 11:13:12 +0000, Birdy
wrote:

>
>I'd heard that the Govt. is one of the largest purpotrators of pirated
>software. I think there was some estimate of like 20% of their software is
> unauthorized.
>Funny how that Microsoft anti-trust stuff kinda just dropped off the radar.
>


Drifting a little:

Well, many years ago here there was a celebrated case where a government
department purchased some John Cleese training videos. For those who
have seen them, you know how good they are. Well the department that
purchased the video set thought so as well, and proceeded to make copies
of the videos for all their regional offices. Naturally the copyright
holders were unhappy and took action in the courts to seek redress. They
failed because of what is called "Crown Copyright". This assumes that
anything provided to the Crown has the copyright automatically
transferred to them whether in writing or not, unless specifically
denied under the terms of the sale. The only limitation is that it can
only be used for Crown purposes. Needless to say, the Crown won.

For those elsewhere, you will find the word Crown substituted by State.

--

Regards,

Ian A. White, CPEng
ianwhite@wai.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Ph: +61 418 203 229
Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
Home Page: www.wai.com.au
Message 10 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Try reading your phone company or credit card or bank or mortgage company
'service agreement' next, that should keep you freaked out for the rest of
your life LOL

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--
Message 11 of 26
MBCAD
in reply to: Anonymous

This topic has been getting way too much play lately.
If you are a nice person and use the software nicely (this means one licence, one computer) then there is nothing to talk about. A whole lot of common sense goes a long way.
Are we done?
Message 12 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

So you never bring work home? If you do, are you working on your own
program? This is all centered around bringing work home, I know I am not
laying out $$ for the program to do work for the boss.

Matt

wrote in message news:4861657@discussion.autodesk.com...
This topic has been getting way too much play lately.
If you are a nice person and use the software nicely (this means one
licence, one computer) then there is nothing to talk about. A whole lot of
common sense goes a long way.
Are we done?
Message 13 of 26
MBCAD
in reply to: Anonymous

Like I say, common sense. I don't think the Autodesk police are going to go and search out Fred and his laptop on the weekend at home or on his Disneyland trip. As long as Fred is using his licence at only one time (Jim isn't cadding on it at the office) then I think he's OK. Autodesk doesn't want 500 seats in the office being used while the same 500 are out of the office on laptops or at Fred's uncle's design shop in Chile. I think we should go to some Mastercard forum and see what everyone is saying about it. Serioulsy, play nice and you'll be fine. Just my thoughts.
Message 14 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

From that point I agree. Some are (probably justified) hypersensitive about
legal wording. This conversation was just picking the fine points in the
wording of the EULA to make sure an individual or company wouldn't get
screwed by someone or entity sticking to the wording of it.

Matt

wrote in message news:4861786@discussion.autodesk.com...
Like I say, common sense. I don't think the Autodesk police are going to go
and search out Fred and his laptop on the weekend at home or on his
Disneyland trip. As long as Fred is using his licence at only one time (Jim
isn't cadding on it at the office) then I think he's OK. Autodesk doesn't
want 500 seats in the office being used while the same 500 are out of the
office on laptops or at Fred's uncle's design shop in Chile. I think we
should go to some Mastercard forum and see what everyone is saying about it.
Serioulsy, play nice and you'll be fine. Just my thoughts.
Message 15 of 26
MBCAD
in reply to: Anonymous

Ya I hope that wouldn't happen. Unfortunately for some people Autodesk is too aggressive in the EULA but honestly, if you aren't being a criminal (a really bad one), then I think this EULA is just like any other that we click OK to every day. This topic just seems to be getting to much time lately. Maybe it was a plant by B______ly.??
Message 16 of 26
old-cadaver
in reply to: Anonymous

> This is all centered around bringing work home, I know I am not laying out $$ for the program to do work for the boss.

"Borrowed" license, check with your reseller.
Message 17 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:23:37 +0000, MBCAD <> wrote:

>This topic has been getting way too much play lately.
>If you are a nice person and use the software nicely (this means one licence, one computer) then there is nothing to talk about. A whole lot of common sense goes a long way.
> Are we done?

Maybe the whole agreement needs to be read and understood.

What are users' concerns?

Firstly, when you go onto subscription you lose the rights to use
earlier versions should you decide not to renew a subscription when it
next becomes due.

Secondly, you give Autodesk the right to access your computer and its
files either physically or electronically. This is not JUST the AutoCAD
program files, but any other files you have on your system including any
files you have prepared under a NDA or other confidentiality agreement.
It also includes any programs you have spent time on and developed. Yes,
this can be done at the moment by Autodesk applying for and obtaining an
Anton Pillar warrant, however this has to go through a magistrate at the
very least and Autodesk has to satisfy a magistrate that they have
reasonable grounds for requesting such a warrant. Oh yes, and Autodesk
can send you a bill for conducting this audit.

Thirdly, if you enter into any arrangement with a creditor your
subscription is cancelled without any further action by Autodesk. So you
have a minor cash flow problem and you call up a supplier and ask for an
extension to the payment terms. Bingo. You have entered into an
arrangement with a creditor and you have lost your subscription and
ability to access your data. If this is discovered on audit, you have
lost your license. If this has happened prior to the audit, you have
been using the program in breach of the subscription agreement and
Autodesk can seek damages.

In Australia (probably elsewhere) Autodesk is offering a "special" deal
to those upgrading. You receive a free 12 month subscription when you
upgrade your normal license to a normal license of 2006. The lure is
that you get 2007 when it comes out at no cost. What the user who
upgrades does not realise is that the moment you accept the 12 month
free subscription because you do not want to miss out on the free
upgrade to 2007, you lose your normal license and convert it to a
subscription, not for just 12 months but permanently.

There is a saying that he who has nothing to hide, hides nothing. The
reality is that agreements we enter into everyday have clauses cloaked
in legalese that not many fully understand. This is precisely why these
clauses are cloaked in legalese. They are designed to swing the
agreement way in favour of the "seller" of the agreement and away from
the "buyer".

Just as an example, there was a case reported where a driver was
involved in an accident and the car was written off (a $60,000 Benz).
When the owner put in an insurance claim, the claim was denied because
the driver's then wife failed to disclose that over the past 3 years,
her then husband had received 6 speeding fines (0 - 9 km/h over the
posted limit). What both of them did not realise was that paying a fine
was the equivalent of attending court and pleading guilty. In the fine
print of the insurance renewal, again cloaked in legalese there was a
clause requiring the disclosure of any driving related convictions. Now
most people would not have realised that paying a speeding fine would
constitute a driving conviction, but because of the looseness of the
clause in the insurance renewal, it was considered as such.

With regard to the AutoCAD subscription license, this is what is going
to catch many users out. They could find themselves in breach of the
subscription license agreement and lose their subscription, or they can
find themselves in breach of any NDA or confidentiality agreement they
have entered into and suffer penalties.

As I have said before, read and understand the agreement BEFORE
committing to anything. Of course, the problem is that you only get the
agreement after you have ordered the upgrade.

--

Regards,

Ian A. White, CPEng
ianwhite@wai.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Ph: +61 418 203 229
Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
Home Page: www.wai.com.au
Message 18 of 26
MBCAD
in reply to: Anonymous

So how many companies have been shut down or affected negatively because of this EULA? What if this, what if that, suppose this, suppose that. Seriously. I think Autodesk should be given a little bit of credit. They provide one of the best drafting products out there and they want to protect their interests. Look at all the money they and other companies have lost due to pirates.

Here's what the EULA should say,
Software will be installed. Enjoy.

Maybe all the lawyers and businessmen in the discussion group should create a new EULA for Autodesk.

At least post about how you have been negatively affected by the EULA. I don't see anyone talking about personal situations, just a lot of what if's.

By the way, watch out for those Windows Updates, I hear they look at your computer, too.
Message 19 of 26
old-cadaver
in reply to: Anonymous

> Thirdly, if you enter into any arrangement with a creditor your subscription is cancelled without any further action by Autodesk.

MAY be cancelled, not WILL be.
Message 20 of 26
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:55:58 +0000, OLD-CADaver <> wrote:

>> Thirdly, if you enter into any arrangement with a creditor your subscription is cancelled without any further action by Autodesk.
>
>MAY be cancelled, not WILL be.

Gee, you are a very trusting soul to base your continued use of the
program on that. I wonder what your employer's legal officer thinks of
that.

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