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What's with all the secrecy?

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Message 1 of 57
Anonymous
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What's with all the secrecy?

Not in this lifetime will I understand how the brains at Autodesk turn.
Would it not be fair at least to let us know what to expect, even in a vague
way. Perhaps this might even aid Autodesk in the sense that if for instance
a PDF writer was going to be incorporated into Autocad shortly one might not
purchase one from somewhere else and then not bother with the upgrade.

Sorry fellas but a little respect towards your client base is long overdue
and I suspect is not in your itinerary.

Dick Barath
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Message 2 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

AMEN...


"Dick Barath" wrote in message
news:2253FE9E2E9C9C4E3E4F1AD7A7320399@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Not in this lifetime will I understand how the brains at Autodesk turn.
> Would it not be fair at least to let us know what to expect, even in a
vague
> way. Perhaps this might even aid Autodesk in the sense that if for
instance
> a PDF writer was going to be incorporated into Autocad shortly one might
not
> purchase one from somewhere else and then not bother with the upgrade.
>
> Sorry fellas but a little respect towards your client base is long overdue
> and I suspect is not in your itinerary.
>
> Dick Barath
Message 3 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

what do you expect from a corporation of this size? its all about secrecy,
they dont want to let people know what's going on..... its just like working
at a big engineering firm..... hush hush....
Message 4 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

And what would happen if they told you what they were going to put in that
PDF writer you've been clamoring about for years. Shipping deadline rolls
around, they don't include it. You turn around and whine for two more years
that they didn't deliver what they promised. Or worse, a bunch of users
decides to sue on ground of breach of implied contract due to pre-release
information.

That's why the secrecy. Get over yourselves. You have no right to know what
autodesk or any other company is developing. If you don't like it, don't buy
it. Geesh.

--
James Wedding, P.E.
IT Manager
Jones & Boyd, Inc.
Dallas, TX
jwedding@*NOSPAM*jones-boyd.com

Search before you ask, it's been asked before.
Message 5 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

you can tell he is an IT guy... not a CAD guy, he he he


"James Wedding" wrote in message
news:933F4C19B71EB86541AB266C7CEBE1C1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> And what would happen if they told you what they were going to put in that
> PDF writer you've been clamoring about for years. Shipping deadline rolls
> around, they don't include it. You turn around and whine for two more
years
> that they didn't deliver what they promised. Or worse, a bunch of users
> decides to sue on ground of breach of implied contract due to pre-release
> information.
>
> That's why the secrecy. Get over yourselves. You have no right to know
what
> autodesk or any other company is developing. If you don't like it, don't
buy
> it. Geesh.
>
> --
> James Wedding, P.E.
> IT Manager
> Jones & Boyd, Inc.
> Dallas, TX
> jwedding@*NOSPAM*jones-boyd.com
>
> Search before you ask, it's been asked before.
>
>
Message 6 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I beg to differ.

It's 'Jeesh'.

Sheesh.



"James Wedding" wrote in message
news:933F4C19B71EB86541AB266C7CEBE1C1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> And what would happen if they told you what they were going to put in that
> PDF writer you've been clamoring about for years. Shipping deadline rolls
> around, they don't include it. You turn around and whine for two more years
> that they didn't deliver what they promised. Or worse, a bunch of users
> decides to sue on ground of breach of implied contract due to pre-release
> information.
>
> That's why the secrecy. Get over yourselves. You have no right to know what
> autodesk or any other company is developing. If you don't like it, don't buy
> it. Geesh.
>
> --
> James Wedding, P.E.
> IT Manager
> Jones & Boyd, Inc.
> Dallas, TX
> jwedding@*NOSPAM*jones-boyd.com
>
> Search before you ask, it's been asked before.
>
>
Message 7 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

A P.E. I.T. guy, sure he does his own drafting. Yea right.
Please don't speak for the Senior CADD Techs that have to listen to
the P.E.'s make promises to clients that they couldn't keep themselves
in a crunch. By they way we do have a right to keep up-to date
and informed of the software we use.


"Jordan van Dijk" wrote in message
news:838B08C295174F4A5053B92C4CAD31E2@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I beg to differ.
>
> It's 'Jeesh'.
>
> Sheesh.
>
>
>
> "James Wedding" wrote in message
> news:933F4C19B71EB86541AB266C7CEBE1C1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > And what would happen if they told you what they were going to put in
that
> > PDF writer you've been clamoring about for years. Shipping deadline
rolls
> > around, they don't include it. You turn around and whine for two more
years
> > that they didn't deliver what they promised. Or worse, a bunch of users
> > decides to sue on ground of breach of implied contract due to
pre-release
> > information.
> >
> > That's why the secrecy. Get over yourselves. You have no right to know
what
> > autodesk or any other company is developing. If you don't like it, don't
buy
> > it. Geesh.
> >
> > --
> > James Wedding, P.E.
> > IT Manager
> > Jones & Boyd, Inc.
> > Dallas, TX
> > jwedding@*NOSPAM*jones-boyd.com
> >
> > Search before you ask, it's been asked before.
> >
> >
>
>
Message 8 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

You do NOT have the right to know anything about what Autodesk is
developing behind the scenes, simple as that.

1. You don't OWN the code to AutoCAD, you have a license to use it.
Hence, Autodesk owes you nothing.

2. Autodesk, believe it or not, has a lot of competition in a lot of
markets. Thus, Autodesk's direction for AutoCAD has to be a privately
held secret, yet they (desparately) need customer feedback to aid that
direction. Hence the reasons for NDAs and the betaprograms department
- you are gaining some company secrets by working with the beta teams.
If you haven't signed up for the betaprograms site, which is free and
only requires a modicum of your time, then (in Autodesk's eyes) you
really don't have a serious interest in the direction of AutoCAD.
Thus, Autodesk owes you nothing.

3. James in fact IS a "senior CAD tech" as well as the IT director for
his company. He directly supports the drafting and design staff, so
you can pretty much lay off.

We had a very small sneak-peak at the next version of AutoCAD, and had
some small hints of what's to come; without going into any real detail
I think it's going to be pretty cool. However, Autodesk cannot (and
will not) comment on what features are going to be in the product or
how well those features will work until it ships.

Then you won't be able to get them to shut up about it.

Matt
mstachoni@comcast.net
mstachoni@bhhtait.com



On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:18:06 -0800, "Kevin Snook"
wrote:

>A P.E. I.T. guy, sure he does his own drafting. Yea right.
>Please don't speak for the Senior CADD Techs that have to listen to
>the P.E.'s make promises to clients that they couldn't keep themselves
>in a crunch. By they way we do have a right to keep up-to date
>and informed of the software we use.
>
>
Message 9 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

As usual, perfectly stated, intelligently presented facts.

Thanks Matt.

"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:2li30vskoik759i7ng57djjgmqo3291iol@4ax.com...
> You do NOT have the right to know anything about what Autodesk is
> developing behind the scenes, simple as that.

< snipped good stuff >
Message 10 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

hurm...then i guess if enough ppl stop signing up...and everyone refuses to
betatest there program for them...what do you propose would happen then??
besides buggy releases?

Just curious o wise one.

Jaime

"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:2li30vskoik759i7ng57djjgmqo3291iol@4ax.com...
> You do NOT have the right to know anything about what Autodesk is
> developing behind the scenes, simple as that.
>
> 1. You don't OWN the code to AutoCAD, you have a license to use it.
> Hence, Autodesk owes you nothing.
>
> 2. Autodesk, believe it or not, has a lot of competition in a lot of
> markets. Thus, Autodesk's direction for AutoCAD has to be a privately
> held secret, yet they (desparately) need customer feedback to aid that
> direction. Hence the reasons for NDAs and the betaprograms department
> - you are gaining some company secrets by working with the beta teams.
> If you haven't signed up for the betaprograms site, which is free and
> only requires a modicum of your time, then (in Autodesk's eyes) you
> really don't have a serious interest in the direction of AutoCAD.
> Thus, Autodesk owes you nothing.
>
> 3. James in fact IS a "senior CAD tech" as well as the IT director for
> his company. He directly supports the drafting and design staff, so
> you can pretty much lay off.
>
> We had a very small sneak-peak at the next version of AutoCAD, and had
> some small hints of what's to come; without going into any real detail
> I think it's going to be pretty cool. However, Autodesk cannot (and
> will not) comment on what features are going to be in the product or
> how well those features will work until it ships.
>
> Then you won't be able to get them to shut up about it.
>
> Matt
> mstachoni@comcast.net
> mstachoni@bhhtait.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:18:06 -0800, "Kevin Snook"
> wrote:
>
> >A P.E. I.T. guy, sure he does his own drafting. Yea right.
> >Please don't speak for the Senior CADD Techs that have to listen to
> >the P.E.'s make promises to clients that they couldn't keep themselves
> >in a crunch. By they way we do have a right to keep up-to date
> >and informed of the software we use.
> >
> >
Message 11 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

And if my Aunt had....forget it. That's a silly question. The people that
truly want to know, get involved. The people that are merely curious, poke,
prod, and ask questions with righteous indignation.

It's not that hard. Go to the beta site, fill out the survey, and wait. If
your profile doesn't match one that is already being queried, you'll be
asked to offer your opinions.

--
James Wedding, P.E.
IT Manager
Jones & Boyd, Inc.
Dallas, TX
jwedding@*NOSPAM*jones-boyd.com

Search before you ask, it's been asked before.
Message 12 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Fortunately we have many customers that are interested in the future of our
products. We gather comments, suggestions and criticisms in a number of
ways, one being Beta testing.

The next version of ADT is based on customer wishes. While we try to provide
the functionality our customers request, sometimes schedules and stability
cause us to remove features.

Since Autodesk is a public company, we cannot promise or discuss features
prior to a release. If we promise a feature, promise a delivery date, then
for some reason can't deliver it, we've broken the law.
--
Dennis McNeal, AIA
Autodesk
Building Industry Division
"Jaime" wrote in message
news:4C36BDF893994A761D71A3E89832516C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> hurm...then i guess if enough ppl stop signing up...and everyone refuses
to
> betatest there program for them...what do you propose would happen then??
> besides buggy releases?
>
> Just curious o wise one.
>
> Jaime
>
> "Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
> news:2li30vskoik759i7ng57djjgmqo3291iol@4ax.com...
> > You do NOT have the right to know anything about what Autodesk is
> > developing behind the scenes, simple as that.
> >
> > 1. You don't OWN the code to AutoCAD, you have a license to use it.
> > Hence, Autodesk owes you nothing.
> >
> > 2. Autodesk, believe it or not, has a lot of competition in a lot of
> > markets. Thus, Autodesk's direction for AutoCAD has to be a privately
> > held secret, yet they (desparately) need customer feedback to aid that
> > direction. Hence the reasons for NDAs and the betaprograms department
> > - you are gaining some company secrets by working with the beta teams.
> > If you haven't signed up for the betaprograms site, which is free and
> > only requires a modicum of your time, then (in Autodesk's eyes) you
> > really don't have a serious interest in the direction of AutoCAD.
> > Thus, Autodesk owes you nothing.
> >
> > 3. James in fact IS a "senior CAD tech" as well as the IT director for
> > his company. He directly supports the drafting and design staff, so
> > you can pretty much lay off.
> >
> > We had a very small sneak-peak at the next version of AutoCAD, and had
> > some small hints of what's to come; without going into any real detail
> > I think it's going to be pretty cool. However, Autodesk cannot (and
> > will not) comment on what features are going to be in the product or
> > how well those features will work until it ships.
> >
> > Then you won't be able to get them to shut up about it.
> >
> > Matt
> > mstachoni@comcast.net
> > mstachoni@bhhtait.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:18:06 -0800, "Kevin Snook"
> > wrote:
> >
> > >A P.E. I.T. guy, sure he does his own drafting. Yea right.
> > >Please don't speak for the Senior CADD Techs that have to listen to
> > >the P.E.'s make promises to clients that they couldn't keep themselves
> > >in a crunch. By they way we do have a right to keep up-to date
> > >and informed of the software we use.
> > >
> > >
>
>
Message 13 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

how about integrating the express tools into the next version, eh?...
Message 14 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Matt... are you ok??? Do you wanna... talk about it???

1.) I never said Autodesk owing me anything...
2.) I never said Autodesk owing me anything...
3.) James is IT Manager as well as Senior CAD Tech... ok. I was just
saying, you can obviously tell when someone is more on the IT side due to
their focus on the legal aspects, code and technical information more than
the production and advancements of the company.

Sorry if I said something that offended someone, that is just my experience
in the "REAL" world.

Dustin A. Harris
Peon



"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:2li30vskoik759i7ng57djjgmqo3291iol@4ax.com...
> You do NOT have the right to know anything about what Autodesk is
> developing behind the scenes, simple as that.
>
> 1. You don't OWN the code to AutoCAD, you have a license to use it.
> Hence, Autodesk owes you nothing.
>
> 2. Autodesk, believe it or not, has a lot of competition in a lot of
> markets. Thus, Autodesk's direction for AutoCAD has to be a privately
> held secret, yet they (desparately) need customer feedback to aid that
> direction. Hence the reasons for NDAs and the betaprograms department
> - you are gaining some company secrets by working with the beta teams.
> If you haven't signed up for the betaprograms site, which is free and
> only requires a modicum of your time, then (in Autodesk's eyes) you
> really don't have a serious interest in the direction of AutoCAD.
> Thus, Autodesk owes you nothing.
>
> 3. James in fact IS a "senior CAD tech" as well as the IT director for
> his company. He directly supports the drafting and design staff, so
> you can pretty much lay off.
>
> We had a very small sneak-peak at the next version of AutoCAD, and had
> some small hints of what's to come; without going into any real detail
> I think it's going to be pretty cool. However, Autodesk cannot (and
> will not) comment on what features are going to be in the product or
> how well those features will work until it ships.
>
> Then you won't be able to get them to shut up about it.
>
> Matt
> mstachoni@comcast.net
> mstachoni@bhhtait.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:18:06 -0800, "Kevin Snook"
> wrote:
>
> >A P.E. I.T. guy, sure he does his own drafting. Yea right.
> >Please don't speak for the Senior CADD Techs that have to listen to
> >the P.E.'s make promises to clients that they couldn't keep themselves
> >in a crunch. By they way we do have a right to keep up-to date
> >and informed of the software we use.
> >
> >
Message 15 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Plus as well, it's kinda hard to pick on the company that (arguably)
facilitated the recreation of a very old profession. Causing (IMHO) many
unqualified people to be able to call themselves draftsperson just because
they know how to use AutoCAD.

Lets all say thank you very much Autodesk !!!

Also, I don't think I'd be getting paid more than your average engineer if I
was still sitting at a drawing board.

Graeme

"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:2li30vskoik759i7ng57djjgmqo3291iol@4ax.com...
> You do NOT have the right to know anything about what Autodesk is
> developing behind the scenes, simple as that.
>
> 1. You don't OWN the code to AutoCAD, you have a license to use it.
> Hence, Autodesk owes you nothing.
>
> 2. Autodesk, believe it or not, has a lot of competition in a lot of
> markets. Thus, Autodesk's direction for AutoCAD has to be a privately
> held secret, yet they (desparately) need customer feedback to aid that
> direction. Hence the reasons for NDAs and the betaprograms department
> - you are gaining some company secrets by working with the beta teams.
> If you haven't signed up for the betaprograms site, which is free and
> only requires a modicum of your time, then (in Autodesk's eyes) you
> really don't have a serious interest in the direction of AutoCAD.
> Thus, Autodesk owes you nothing.
>
> 3. James in fact IS a "senior CAD tech" as well as the IT director for
> his company. He directly supports the drafting and design staff, so
> you can pretty much lay off.
>
> We had a very small sneak-peak at the next version of AutoCAD, and had
> some small hints of what's to come; without going into any real detail
> I think it's going to be pretty cool. However, Autodesk cannot (and
> will not) comment on what features are going to be in the product or
> how well those features will work until it ships.
>
> Then you won't be able to get them to shut up about it.
>
> Matt
> mstachoni@comcast.net
> mstachoni@bhhtait.com
Message 16 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

hows that for beta testing? ?...... 😐
Message 17 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

The secrecy is learned from the Gorilla in Redmond....
Remember, AutoDesk is playing in the same pen as the gorilla! *

I hear all this defense of MS, and how Bill has done so much for
computing....
Over the years, Microsoft has announce features X, Y and Z... to come with
the next OS... and it was to be so much better than this or that other
program from tiny developers... and all it was (in some cases) was
Vaporware... never delivered, but enough to bankrupt the little guys who
couldn't develop market share fast enough.
So, Who got hurt?
Not the users.. they ran to defend MS when anti-trust charges came up.
No, the developers. The little companies that invested life savings to build
a utility to play this or edit that...

* and, remember, AutoDesk has had charges of unfair competition leveled
against them, too! Announcing feature X, Y, or Z to incorporate features of
rival 1, 2 or 3 is also an unfair trade practice. They're walking on eggs,
so to speak.

Beware of what you wish for, you may get it... and in the end, AutoDesk
would get restrained and YOUR product would be the laggard in capabilities.



"Dick Barath" wrote in message
news:2253FE9E2E9C9C4E3E4F1AD7A7320399@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Not in this lifetime will I understand how the brains at Autodesk turn.
> Would it not be fair at least to let us know what to expect, even in a
vague
> way. Perhaps this might even aid Autodesk in the sense that if for
instance
> a PDF writer was going to be incorporated into Autocad shortly one might
not
> purchase one from somewhere else and then not bother with the upgrade.
>
> Sorry fellas but a little respect towards your client base is long overdue
> and I suspect is not in your itinerary.
>
> Dick Barath
Message 18 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

While that may be part of it, I think you should look at Dennis' Reply.

I would imagine that his response would be more of a factor. Imagine if
they announced a feature they were testing, and it came up as a detriment to
the software rather than a feature.

Now they have a dillema. Ad in the feature and piss off the consumer, or
remove it and open themselves up to suits buy rivals.

All in all, it is in ADesks best interest to keep it close to the vest.

If you want to know what they are planning, join the beta testers.

CMF

"Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
news:3D52B96B6ABE769736E4400B3AFEB2CF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> The secrecy is learned from the Gorilla in Redmond....
> Remember, AutoDesk is playing in the same pen as the gorilla! *
>
> I hear all this defense of MS, and how Bill has done so much for
> computing....
> Over the years, Microsoft has announce features X, Y and Z... to come with
> the next OS... and it was to be so much better than this or that other
> program from tiny developers... and all it was (in some cases) was
> Vaporware... never delivered, but enough to bankrupt the little guys who
> couldn't develop market share fast enough.
> So, Who got hurt?
> Not the users.. they ran to defend MS when anti-trust charges came up.
> No, the developers. The little companies that invested life savings to
build
> a utility to play this or edit that...
>
> * and, remember, AutoDesk has had charges of unfair competition leveled
> against them, too! Announcing feature X, Y, or Z to incorporate features
of
> rival 1, 2 or 3 is also an unfair trade practice. They're walking on eggs,
> so to speak.
>
> Beware of what you wish for, you may get it... and in the end, AutoDesk
> would get restrained and YOUR product would be the laggard in
capabilities.
>
>
>
> "Dick Barath" wrote in message
> news:2253FE9E2E9C9C4E3E4F1AD7A7320399@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Not in this lifetime will I understand how the brains at Autodesk turn.
> > Would it not be fair at least to let us know what to expect, even in a
> vague
> > way. Perhaps this might even aid Autodesk in the sense that if for
> instance
> > a PDF writer was going to be incorporated into Autocad shortly one might
> not
> > purchase one from somewhere else and then not bother with the upgrade.
> >
> > Sorry fellas but a little respect towards your client base is long
overdue
> > and I suspect is not in your itinerary.
> >
> > Dick Barath
>
>
Message 19 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"Chris Ferris" wrote in message:
>Now they have a dillema. Ad in the feature and piss off the consumer, or
>remove it and open themselves up to suits buy rivals.

you're talking about 2D Sections/Elevations aren't you?
(hehehe)

--
http://www.searchbeforeyoupost.com
"it's been asked before."
Message 20 of 57
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

;;In Irish cop accent;; I might rabbit, I might.

:-P

CMF
"Corey A. Layton" wrote in message
news:A48E8D48073D57DF0FCE36D2E3A1D8AA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> "Chris Ferris" wrote in message:
> >Now they have a dillema. Ad in the feature and piss off the consumer, or
> >remove it and open themselves up to suits buy rivals.
>
> you're talking about 2D Sections/Elevations aren't you?
> (hehehe)
>
> --
> http://www.searchbeforeyoupost.com
> "it's been asked before."
>
>

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