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Message 1 of 54
Anonymous
1483 Views, 53 Replies

Track ball vs. Mouse

I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
just started here and brought in his own track ball.
Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,

--
Howard Kaplan
Sidney B. Bowne & Son
235 E. Jericho Turnpike
Mineola, NY 11501
www.Bownegroup.com
Dell Optiplex GX620
Acad R2006, LDD 2006
Dual Pentium 3.2 Ghz
2 Gig of Ram
53 REPLIES 53
Message 2 of 54
pcaruthers
in reply to: Anonymous

if he's used it for any length of time he's probably pretty good with it. I tried one for a few weeks and kept getting cramps in my hand because I was using my thumb to work the ball. Never did get comfortable with it. But, I know a lot of people that do. If it works for him, let it go.

Paul Caruthers
Message 3 of 54
troye
in reply to: Anonymous

all trackballs need to be thrown into a pit of fire. we have 2 drafters that use those dam things and they swear by them, but they are 1/3 as productive as the drafters that use a mouse.
Message 4 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I have found that using a track ball I "overshoot" my points thus it takes
more time to do the things I need to do.

ACote


"Howard K" wrote in message
news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
just started here and brought in his own track ball.
Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,

--
Howard Kaplan
Sidney B. Bowne & Son
235 E. Jericho Turnpike
Mineola, NY 11501
www.Bownegroup.com
Dell Optiplex GX620
Acad R2006, LDD 2006
Dual Pentium 3.2 Ghz
2 Gig of Ram
Message 5 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I use a wacom tablet, but my dad uses a trackball and swears by it. He
is the CAD manager for his firm (has been for 15 years) and suffers
carpal tunnel related wrist problems. This device allows him to work
while limiting the use of his wrist, and he is blazingly fast.

I am sure the trackball has nothing do with others mentioning slow
drafters. It is likely more to do with the drafter themselves.



Howard K wrote:
> I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
> just started here and brought in his own track ball.
> Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
> ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
> I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank You,
>
Message 6 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Howard K wrote:
> I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
> just started here and brought in his own track ball.
> Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
> ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
> I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank You,

I think they are a bit tedious, I always miss my target by this >< much.
Message 7 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I find myself to be much more productive with a trackball. I've read the
other messages about overshooting pick and such. That just means that the
trackball properties weren't set correctly.

I personally don't like the ones that are run using the thumb. But others
may get along with them just fine. Mine has a trackball. a scroll wheel and
4 buttons. One button I have set to toggle Ortho. Something I do a lot. If I
hold down ALT and hit the same button it will toggle the Osnaps (= F3).

Any awkwardness you find can be attributed to unfamiliarity. If you tried if
for a week you might feel differently. What you need to do is to watch him
use it. If I have to sit at a computer with a mouse. I look a little bit
unpracticed at first.

I have the same trackball at both my jobs. When I had bought my last home
computer I picked up a cheep trackball. So my wife learned on it. When if
failed I hooked up the mouse. She hated it. I told her to buy whatever she
wanted. She came home with exactly the same one I use at work without ever
having seen either.

Unfortunately Microsoft does not make the Trackball Explorer any more. They
were obviously popular because a new one goes for over $100 on ebay. A used
one around $75. I dread when one of mine stops working because I haven't
found a replacement I like.

I started using one because of shoulder problems. But I think they are
marvelous. Imagine. Never running out of mouse cord and having to pick up
the mouse and move it up the table in the middle of an operation. Of course
cordless will help but you'll still run out of table.

Anyway. You now know I like trackballs. Let the user prove he can work with
it.

Allen

"Howard K" wrote in message
news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
just started here and brought in his own track ball.
Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,

--
Howard Kaplan
Sidney B. Bowne & Son
235 E. Jericho Turnpike
Mineola, NY 11501
www.Bownegroup.com
Dell Optiplex GX620
Acad R2006, LDD 2006
Dual Pentium 3.2 Ghz
2 Gig of Ram
Message 8 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"Howard K" wrote in message
news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
just started here and brought in his own track ball.
Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,

--
Howard Kaplan
Sidney B. Bowne & Son
235 E. Jericho Turnpike
Mineola, NY 11501
www.Bownegroup.com
Dell Optiplex GX620
Acad R2006, LDD 2006
Dual Pentium 3.2 Ghz
2 Gig of Ram

For my right hand, I use a trackball. If I use a mouse for over a couple of
weeks, my hand goes numb. For real productivity, I use the 2 key short cuts
(that I have developed and used for the last 21 years) and my Summasketch
III tablet. Watching some of the other drafters around here mouse their way
through the pull down menus and then go back to the screen to pick drives me
crazy. They are so slow.


Tim Storey
Message 9 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thanks to all for the Input.
So, there are people out there who use a trackball and are productive.
In the 13 yrs I have been drafting I have never seen a person draft with
one.
I think I saw a secretary use a trackball once. But, that is a whole
different thing.

I myself use a wireless mouse and hate when I go to someone elses desk
and have that stupid wire attached to there mouse.



Thanks again,
Howard

"Timothy B. Storey" wrote in message
news:5440065@discussion.autodesk.com...
"Howard K" wrote in message
news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
just started here and brought in his own track ball.
Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,

--
Howard Kaplan
Sidney B. Bowne & Son
235 E. Jericho Turnpike
Mineola, NY 11501
www.Bownegroup.com
Dell Optiplex GX620
Acad R2006, LDD 2006
Dual Pentium 3.2 Ghz
2 Gig of Ram

For my right hand, I use a trackball. If I use a mouse for over a couple of
weeks, my hand goes numb. For real productivity, I use the 2 key short cuts
(that I have developed and used for the last 21 years) and my Summasketch
III tablet. Watching some of the other drafters around here mouse their way
through the pull down menus and then go back to the screen to pick drives me
crazy. They are so slow.


Tim Storey
Message 10 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I had a wireless mouse and did not like it as it was heavier than the wired one, it dragged more on the mouse pad.
I love the no wire but went back.
Watch out on the ones who use trackballs, I have seen one in 5 people be fast with them, and the slow ones NEVER speed
up because they are using the mouse (trackball) too much anyway.
Find that person that types most commands, and they are great with a trackball 🙂 Plus you can play centipede better if
you have MAME.

Howard K
|>Thanks to all for the Input.
|>So, there are people out there who use a trackball and are productive.
|>In the 13 yrs I have been drafting I have never seen a person draft with
|>one.
|>I think I saw a secretary use a trackball once. But, that is a whole
|>different thing.
|>
|>I myself use a wireless mouse and hate when I go to someone elses desk
|>and have that stupid wire attached to there mouse.
|>
|>
|>
|>Thanks again,
|>Howard
|>
|>"Timothy B. Storey" wrote in message
|>news:5440065@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>"Howard K" wrote in message
|>news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new drafter
|>just started here and brought in his own track ball.
|>Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
|>ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
|>I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.
|>
|>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>
|>Thank You,
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
Message 11 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I hope you would accept that I might be one of the 1 in 5.

You went back to a wired mouse because it was heavy and dragged. I feel that
way about any mouse. I mostly only have to move the ball with my index and
middle fingers while using my thumb and ring finger for buttons. The thumb
also works the scroll wheel.

I do agree with you about typing. But that may be because of being at this
for 20 years. I have gotten somewhat fond to tool pallets in the past year.
There aren't enough keys to cover all the LDT command on top of the AutoCAD
ones without going to 3 & 4 letter combos. At that point I think you're past
the break even point. Especially trying to get new hires to memorize all the
aliases.

Allen

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5440157@discussion.autodesk.com...
I had a wireless mouse and did not like it as it was heavier than the wired
one, it dragged more on the mouse pad.
I love the no wire but went back.
Watch out on the ones who use trackballs, I have seen one in 5 people be
fast with them, and the slow ones NEVER speed
up because they are using the mouse (trackball) too much anyway.
Find that person that types most commands, and they are great with a
trackball 🙂 Plus you can play centipede better if
you have MAME.

Howard K
|>Thanks to all for the Input.
|>So, there are people out there who use a trackball and are productive.
|>In the 13 yrs I have been drafting I have never seen a person draft with
|>one.
|>I think I saw a secretary use a trackball once. But, that is a whole
|>different thing.
|>
|>I myself use a wireless mouse and hate when I go to someone elses desk
|>and have that stupid wire attached to there mouse.
|>
|>
|>
|>Thanks again,
|>Howard
|>
|>"Timothy B. Storey" wrote in message
|>news:5440065@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>"Howard K" wrote in message
|>news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new
drafter
|>just started here and brought in his own track ball.
|>Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
|>ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
|>I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.
|>
|>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>
|>Thank You,
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
Message 12 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Allen, I'm sure you are since you know your stuff and could do it any way you wanted.
The problem ones are those that mess up their wrists from too much mousing, then switch to trackball and work even
slower because they pick the same stuff but with the trackball now (and never touch the settings...).
If people just learned to type l for line, and z for zoom, we could save so much mousing.
Then if people learned a few short lisps, they could automate a lot of clicks.
Some do this and fly, others don't have the interest. Its amazing how easy it is to rise above those that don't.
I still want a trackball for 3d viewing and centipede 🙂
I tried one of those logitech 3d mice at AU, it was very interesting. A mouse might not be the best input device yet...

Allen Jessup
|>I hope you would accept that I might be one of the 1 in 5.
|>
|>You went back to a wired mouse because it was heavy and dragged. I feel that
|>way about any mouse. I mostly only have to move the ball with my index and
|>middle fingers while using my thumb and ring finger for buttons. The thumb
|>also works the scroll wheel.
|>
|>I do agree with you about typing. But that may be because of being at this
|>for 20 years. I have gotten somewhat fond to tool pallets in the past year.
|>There aren't enough keys to cover all the LDT command on top of the AutoCAD
|>ones without going to 3 & 4 letter combos. At that point I think you're past
|>the break even point. Especially trying to get new hires to memorize all the
|>aliases.
|>
|>Allen
|>
|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>news:5440157@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I had a wireless mouse and did not like it as it was heavier than the wired
|>one, it dragged more on the mouse pad.
|>I love the no wire but went back.
|>Watch out on the ones who use trackballs, I have seen one in 5 people be
|>fast with them, and the slow ones NEVER speed
|>up because they are using the mouse (trackball) too much anyway.
|>Find that person that types most commands, and they are great with a
|>trackball 🙂 Plus you can play centipede better if
|>you have MAME.
|>
|>Howard K
|>|>Thanks to all for the Input.
|>|>So, there are people out there who use a trackball and are productive.
|>|>In the 13 yrs I have been drafting I have never seen a person draft with
|>|>one.
|>|>I think I saw a secretary use a trackball once. But, that is a whole
|>|>different thing.
|>|>
|>|>I myself use a wireless mouse and hate when I go to someone elses desk
|>|>and have that stupid wire attached to there mouse.
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>Thanks again,
|>|>Howard
|>|>
|>|>"Timothy B. Storey" wrote in message
|>|>news:5440065@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>"Howard K" wrote in message
|>|>news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new
|>drafter
|>|>just started here and brought in his own track ball.
|>|>Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a track
|>|>ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
|>|>I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.
|>|>
|>|>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>|>
|>|>Thank You,
|>James Maeding
|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
Message 13 of 54
JNieman
in reply to: Anonymous

I wish a 3d puck such as those at 3dconexxion, etc were a viable solution for me.

two fistin' cad would be awesome, but I would need the keyboard too much. I do not like clicking icons at all... have very few displayed. I'm a keyboard-shortcut lover, as well as starting to get used to the world or programmable-button-mice. I guess I'm just a fingertip user regardless of the tool.

I don't see being able to ditch the keyboard though.
Message 14 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I am thinking voice control has to enter the equation some day.
As anyone I have met knows, I can talk all day and not get tired...seems like we could incorporate that into the
computer somehow.
I am aware of the current voice solutions but have not tried any, but I hear they don't work well.
Even if I could just have two items "osnap" and "pan" to pull up the osnap menu, or start the realtime pan command (exc
to finish), that would be worth lots of money to me.
Throw in some foot pedals for enter or escape, and I would be a dancing, singing fool on autocad!

Josh Nieman <>
|>I wish a 3d puck such as those at 3dconexxion, etc were a viable solution for me.
|>
|>two fistin' cad would be awesome, but I would need the keyboard too much. I do not like clicking icons at all... have very few displayed. I'm a keyboard-shortcut lover, as well as starting to get used to the world or programmable-button-mice. I guess I'm just a fingertip user regardless of the tool.
|>
|>I don't see being able to ditch the keyboard though.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
Message 15 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Yeah. We had one of those in another Dept. They were slow to begin with and
slower with the trackball. But of course they bought a Mickey mouse
trackball. There was just a roll-out of new computers and this is the first
time they bought optical mice with scroll wheels. Up till then it was always
manual 2 button mice. Then we had to spend out own money on better mice.

Anyone I teach learns to type in the short cuts. Because anytime they ask me
how to do something I make them do it that way. Most of the time I don't
know which menu it's on without looking because I don't use it.

I've found that I like to redefine the alias LA for -LA. This gives me the
command line layer command. I find that better for creating layers and you
can turn off or freeze layers by selecting objects without going to a menu.
So to freeze a layer I would type LA F [enter] [pick] and the layer if
frozen. I use LL to bring up the Layer Manager.

thanks,
Allen

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5440393@discussion.autodesk.com...
Allen, I'm sure you are since you know your stuff and could do it any way
you wanted.
The problem ones are those that mess up their wrists from too much mousing,
then switch to trackball and work even
slower because they pick the same stuff but with the trackball now (and
never touch the settings...).
If people just learned to type l for line, and z for zoom, we could save so
much mousing.
Then if people learned a few short lisps, they could automate a lot of
clicks.
Some do this and fly, others don't have the interest. Its amazing how easy
it is to rise above those that don't.
I still want a trackball for 3d viewing and centipede 🙂
I tried one of those logitech 3d mice at AU, it was very interesting. A
mouse might not be the best input device yet...

Allen Jessup
|>I hope you would accept that I might be one of the 1 in 5.
|>
|>You went back to a wired mouse because it was heavy and dragged. I feel
that
|>way about any mouse. I mostly only have to move the ball with my index and
|>middle fingers while using my thumb and ring finger for buttons. The thumb
|>also works the scroll wheel.
|>
|>I do agree with you about typing. But that may be because of being at this
|>for 20 years. I have gotten somewhat fond to tool pallets in the past
year.
|>There aren't enough keys to cover all the LDT command on top of the
AutoCAD
|>ones without going to 3 & 4 letter combos. At that point I think you're
past
|>the break even point. Especially trying to get new hires to memorize all
the
|>aliases.
|>
|>Allen
|>
|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>news:5440157@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>I had a wireless mouse and did not like it as it was heavier than the
wired
|>one, it dragged more on the mouse pad.
|>I love the no wire but went back.
|>Watch out on the ones who use trackballs, I have seen one in 5 people be
|>fast with them, and the slow ones NEVER speed
|>up because they are using the mouse (trackball) too much anyway.
|>Find that person that types most commands, and they are great with a
|>trackball 🙂 Plus you can play centipede better if
|>you have MAME.
|>
|>Howard K
|>|>Thanks to all for the Input.
|>|>So, there are people out there who use a trackball and are productive.
|>|>In the 13 yrs I have been drafting I have never seen a person draft with
|>|>one.
|>|>I think I saw a secretary use a trackball once. But, that is a whole
|>|>different thing.
|>|>
|>|>I myself use a wireless mouse and hate when I go to someone elses desk
|>|>and have that stupid wire attached to there mouse.
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>Thanks again,
|>|>Howard
|>|>
|>|>"Timothy B. Storey" wrote in message
|>|>news:5440065@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>"Howard K" wrote in message
|>|>news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new
|>drafter
|>|>just started here and brought in his own track ball.
|>|>Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a
track
|>|>ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
|>|>I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.
|>|>
|>|>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>|>
|>|>Thank You,
|>James Maeding
|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
Message 16 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

ah, the -la trick, I do that too.
Now what I need to write is a clone of the command line layer tool that does not allow spaces in the layer name.
In R12, we got so fast at freezing and thawing layers with LA but the long symbol name ability has thrown a wrench in
that habit.
I want spaces allowed, but not in the -la command...I'll have to do that soon.

Allen Jessup
|>Yeah. We had one of those in another Dept. They were slow to begin with and
|>slower with the trackball. But of course they bought a Mickey mouse
|>trackball. There was just a roll-out of new computers and this is the first
|>time they bought optical mice with scroll wheels. Up till then it was always
|>manual 2 button mice. Then we had to spend out own money on better mice.
|>
|>Anyone I teach learns to type in the short cuts. Because anytime they ask me
|>how to do something I make them do it that way. Most of the time I don't
|>know which menu it's on without looking because I don't use it.
|>
|>I've found that I like to redefine the alias LA for -LA. This gives me the
|>command line layer command. I find that better for creating layers and you
|>can turn off or freeze layers by selecting objects without going to a menu.
|>So to freeze a layer I would type LA F [enter] [pick] and the layer if
|>frozen. I use LL to bring up the Layer Manager.
|>
|>thanks,
|>Allen
|>
|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>news:5440393@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>Allen, I'm sure you are since you know your stuff and could do it any way
|>you wanted.
|>The problem ones are those that mess up their wrists from too much mousing,
|>then switch to trackball and work even
|>slower because they pick the same stuff but with the trackball now (and
|>never touch the settings...).
|>If people just learned to type l for line, and z for zoom, we could save so
|>much mousing.
|>Then if people learned a few short lisps, they could automate a lot of
|>clicks.
|>Some do this and fly, others don't have the interest. Its amazing how easy
|>it is to rise above those that don't.
|>I still want a trackball for 3d viewing and centipede 🙂
|>I tried one of those logitech 3d mice at AU, it was very interesting. A
|>mouse might not be the best input device yet...
|>
|>Allen Jessup
|>|>I hope you would accept that I might be one of the 1 in 5.
|>|>
|>|>You went back to a wired mouse because it was heavy and dragged. I feel
|>that
|>|>way about any mouse. I mostly only have to move the ball with my index and
|>|>middle fingers while using my thumb and ring finger for buttons. The thumb
|>|>also works the scroll wheel.
|>|>
|>|>I do agree with you about typing. But that may be because of being at this
|>|>for 20 years. I have gotten somewhat fond to tool pallets in the past
|>year.
|>|>There aren't enough keys to cover all the LDT command on top of the
|>AutoCAD
|>|>ones without going to 3 & 4 letter combos. At that point I think you're
|>past
|>|>the break even point. Especially trying to get new hires to memorize all
|>the
|>|>aliases.
|>|>
|>|>Allen
|>|>
|>|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>|>news:5440157@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>I had a wireless mouse and did not like it as it was heavier than the
|>wired
|>|>one, it dragged more on the mouse pad.
|>|>I love the no wire but went back.
|>|>Watch out on the ones who use trackballs, I have seen one in 5 people be
|>|>fast with them, and the slow ones NEVER speed
|>|>up because they are using the mouse (trackball) too much anyway.
|>|>Find that person that types most commands, and they are great with a
|>|>trackball 🙂 Plus you can play centipede better if
|>|>you have MAME.
|>|>
|>|>Howard K
|>|>|>Thanks to all for the Input.
|>|>|>So, there are people out there who use a trackball and are productive.
|>|>|>In the 13 yrs I have been drafting I have never seen a person draft with
|>|>|>one.
|>|>|>I think I saw a secretary use a trackball once. But, that is a whole
|>|>|>different thing.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>I myself use a wireless mouse and hate when I go to someone elses desk
|>|>|>and have that stupid wire attached to there mouse.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Thanks again,
|>|>|>Howard
|>|>|>
|>|>|>"Timothy B. Storey" wrote in message
|>|>|>news:5440065@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>|>"Howard K" wrote in message
|>|>|>news:5439652@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>|>I'm just a little curious, how many of you use a track ball?. A new
|>|>drafter
|>|>|>just started here and brought in his own track ball.
|>|>|>Personally, I can't see how he is going to become productive using a
|>track
|>|>|>ball. But then again I have never used one while drafting.
|>|>|>I've sat at his desk and it seems very awkward to draft with.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Thank You,
|>|>James Maeding
|>|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
|>James Maeding
|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
Message 17 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Been using a trackball since my first one back in 1992.
I've been dual-tasking with a Wacom Tablet and Pen for a few
years now, depending on application.

Only ever use a mouse when I'm on my laptop, and only then
because they are small, easy to pack, and come with short
cords: hate the laptop pad.

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
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Message 18 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

You must be a woman in disguise if you can talk all day without getting
tired.

James Maeding wrote:
> I am thinking voice control has to enter the equation some day.
> As anyone I have met knows, I can talk all day and not get tired...seems like we could incorporate that into the
> computer somehow.
> I am aware of the current voice solutions but have not tried any, but I hear they don't work well.
> Even if I could just have two items "osnap" and "pan" to pull up the osnap menu, or start the realtime pan command (exc
> to finish), that would be worth lots of money to me.
> Throw in some foot pedals for enter or escape, and I would be a dancing, singing fool on autocad!
>
> Josh Nieman <>
> |>I wish a 3d puck such as those at 3dconexxion, etc were a viable solution for me.
> |>
> |>two fistin' cad would be awesome, but I would need the keyboard too much. I do not like clicking icons at all... have very few displayed. I'm a keyboard-shortcut lover, as well as starting to get used to the world or programmable-button-mice. I guess I'm just a fingertip user regardless of the tool.
> |>
> |>I don't see being able to ditch the keyboard though.
> James Maeding
> Civil Engineer and Programmer
> jmaeding - athunsaker - com
Message 19 of 54
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I read a CAD article a very long time ago (so I don't recall a reference)
which cited a study by the Army to evaluate the most efficient graphic input
device. The conclusion was: that no device stood out as better than
another...once one was proficient with a specific device.

The article went on to state that it is common to be awkward for one to
switch from one device to another. It mentioned concern for repetitive
motion injuries from using one device for long periods of time. It
suggested that perhaps if one mastered multiple devices and switched
periodically, one could avoid some of the repetitive motion risk.

I got a trackball to try the last suggestion. I have never mastered it. I
get frustrated, need to "get r done" on a project and plug the mouse back
in.
Message 20 of 54
troye
in reply to: Anonymous

I don't think i would trust any study that was done by the Army that had to do with graphical input. the Army is not exactly up there with intense graphics.
not that i am not all for the Army, I am a former soldier. But I have never seen the Army with any high end graphics software.

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