Too much time spent on perfect Cad?

[mary_eatinger]

My office (we're frequently told) has an excellent cad standard system. I believe we're having a problem with people spending way too much time keeping the system perfect and spending less time on actual production and quality control of the projects. I'm as guilty as everyone else. It's easy to find yourself chasing dimension lines around the page to size all the tick marks perfectly before you realize it doesn't matter after it's plotted. We've seen sets of drawings from many other firms that look like they had monkeys for cad operators but I wonder if they're actually saving time and getting projects out faster with less stringent cad standards. The idea is to get the project out, permitted and built? Right?

Has anyone else out there had any experience in how to balance cad perfection with production? Obviously better project management is the answer, but we're small and everyone's managing their own projects. Any opinions? How is everyone else using cad standards, but not to the point that that's all people focus on?

[Anonymous]

did you try matchprop?

(Watch rotationn angles, though!)

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The object properties box is limited. In previous
versions you could do more with text using the cht command. I don't know why
they don't have it anymore but I just use it any way. Fastest way I know how
to change the width of all the text in a dwg globally.  Can't do it with
the object properties.

[Anonymous]

Agreed, and well said!

I once tried to explain to an 'engineer' that 4
lines do not a table make.  They make resemble the plan of a table, but in
CAD, a table is a table (meaning a block defined as a table)

To illustrate my point, I asked him where my coffee
would land when I put it onto his 4 lines.

He didn't get it... just get the dwgs out the door
(but make them look good!)

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the most efficient use of cad is not neccesarily the initial creation of
the work but in the ability to reuse the work. I have noticed 2 camps those
that get it and those that don't. CAD standards free the operator and project
manager from determining conventions and procedures
for each new project.

People who naysay cad standards using the "get it done" mentality are
simply using cad as a fancy pencil..just like using a word processor the same
way as a typewriter.
This fancy pencil method is about the same speed as
hand drafting in my opinion and is some cases slower.
The time gained by
sloppy cad is lost in duplicate because of the problems that can and will
arise.
Garbage in...Garbage out

Miguel

[mary_eatinger]

This is "Design Center"? We have this but no one's ever taken the time to play around with it. I've looked at it a little but the 3D aspect scares me a little. We've received drawings from others in 3D and they wreak havoc on object snaps. Maybe this is different. It's something we should look into.

[Anonymous]

Mary

Everyone needs to remember that on most projects
the drawings are not just to get it built.  The owner of the building will
be relying on those drawings for 30 or more years to manage the facility. 
There are always projects after the fact to modify a process or change a
space.  If the drawings are turned over to the owner in bad shape then
future work is going to go to someone else.  I am speaking from an owners
point of view because I now work for a manufacturing firm.  There are
several companies here in town that will not being doing work here because of
their lack of attention to detail on the designs as well as the cad monkey
syndrome. 

I don't prescribe a lot of our own standards
because I know how hard that is to change from job to job, since I have also
been on that side of the fence.  But I do require some adherence to the
simplest of standards, and that they stick to their own standards.  I had a
drawing submitted to us with column bubbles 2" in diameter.  I complained
about the size and they said I hadn't covered it in my standards to them, which
is true, but I would expect anyone to know that column bubbles printed on a page
should be in the 3/4" dia. range.  This was just the tip of the iceberg
with them, and needless to say we go else where when we need things done
outside.

So, keep those drawings looking good because it has
an effect on future work.

Kent Elrod

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"mary_eatinger" <> wrote in message ...

My office (we're
frequently told) has an excellent cad standard system. I believe we're having
a problem with people spending way too much time keeping the system perfect
and spending less time on actual production and quality control of the
projects. I'm as guilty as everyone else. It's easy to find yourself chasing
dimension lines around the page to size all the tick marks perfectly before
you realize it doesn't matter after it's plotted. We've seen sets of drawings
from many other firms that look like they had monkeys for cad operators but I
wonder if they're actually saving time and getting projects out faster with
less stringent cad standards. The idea is to get the project out, permitted
and built? Right?

Has anyone else out there had any experience in how to balance cad
perfection with production? Obviously better project management is the answer,
but we're small and everyone's managing their own projects. Any opinions? How
is everyone else using cad standards, but not to the point that that's all
people focus on?

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but you are wrong. You can only change width of text individually and
not globally with the using object properties. You can't even change the
style, height, or oblique angle globally. CHT does it all! I hardly ever
use mtext unless it's for huge blocks of notes.
"Rick Lincoln" wrote in message
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>
> The object properties box is limited. In previous versions you could do
more
> with text using the cht command. I don't know why they don't have it
anymore
> but I just use it any way. Fastest way I know how to change the width of
all
> the text in a dwg globally. Can't do it with the object properties.
>
> Am I missing the point? You can change the width factor of single line
text
> with an individual selection, multiple selection, or globally, with the
> object properties box. Correct me if I'm wrong, but width in mtext is
> controlled via the text style. Or, alternatively, by applying the \W
format
> code in the mtext editor.
>
> Rick
>
>

[Anonymous]

CHT must be a custom command..its not standard

Jaime

"MTN Dave" wrote in message
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> Sorry, but you are wrong. You can only change width of text individually
and
> not globally with the using object properties. You can't even change the
> style, height, or oblique angle globally. CHT does it all! I hardly ever
> use mtext unless it's for huge blocks of notes.
> "Rick Lincoln" wrote in message
> news:DC60ADF36AD6FC24208F1AB3B856AB77@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> > The object properties box is limited. In previous versions you could do
> more
> > with text using the cht command. I don't know why they don't have it
> anymore
> > but I just use it any way. Fastest way I know how to change the width of
> all
> > the text in a dwg globally. Can't do it with the object properties.
> >
> > Am I missing the point? You can change the width factor of single line
> text
> > with an individual selection, multiple selection, or globally, with the
> > object properties box. Correct me if I'm wrong, but width in mtext is
> > controlled via the text style. Or, alternatively, by applying the \W
> format
> > code in the mtext editor.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

We must be talking about two seperate issues. If you're speaking of the
object properties box (Ctrl+1) in R2002, for single line text I can change:

Contents
Style
Justify
Height
Rotation
Width Factor
Obliquing
Text Alignment X
Text Alignment Y
Text Alignment Z

and the normal properties, such as color, linetype, etc.

For mtext, I can change:

Contents
Style
Justify
Direction
Width
Height
Rotation
Line Space Factor
Line Space Style

as well as the other properties.

Again, correct me if I'm on a different page.

Rick

[Anonymous]

CHT seems to be a retired command to Change Thickness. Wasn't there a
"change text" command in previous versions? Maybe it's still available. I
haven't used anything else since the object properties dialog box was
provided.

Rick

BTW, I apologize to Mary E for wandering from her orignal post on perfect
Cad.

[Anonymous]

Kent,

You are the only one that I have heard say anything
about the owner. Did you know that there is a facilities management
N.G.?

However, the best way to manage other drawings is
with layer management. With Layer Translate, you can change other layer systems
to match your needs and at the same time force intities to all properties
"bylayer".  You can also do this without changing any layers.

Dave Alexander

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Mary

Everyone needs to remember that on most projects
the drawings are not just to get it built.  The owner of the building
will be relying on those drawings for 30 or more years to manage the
facility.  There are always projects after the fact to modify a process
or change a space.  If the drawings are turned over to the owner in bad
shape then future work is going to go to someone else.  I am speaking
from an owners point of view because I now work for a manufacturing
firm.  There are several companies here in town that will not being doing
work here because of their lack of attention to detail on the designs as well
as the cad monkey syndrome. 

I don't prescribe a lot of our own standards
because I know how hard that is to change from job to job, since I have also
been on that side of the fence.  But I do require some adherence to the
simplest of standards, and that they stick to their own standards.  I had
a drawing submitted to us with column bubbles 2" in diameter.  I
complained about the size and they said I hadn't covered it in my standards to
them, which is true, but I would expect anyone to know that column bubbles
printed on a page should be in the 3/4" dia. range.  This was just the
tip of the iceberg with them, and needless to say we go else where when we
need things done outside.

So, keep those drawings looking good because it
has an effect on future work.

Kent Elrod

[Anonymous]

no, CHT is the old "change text" command. As far as I know there isn't a
better text command available in autocad. Just grab the lisp from your 2000
or r14 version.
"Rick Lincoln" wrote in message
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> CHT seems to be a retired command to Change Thickness. Wasn't there a
> "change text" command in previous versions? Maybe it's still available. I
> haven't used anything else since the object properties dialog box was
> provided.
>
> Rick
>
> BTW, I apologize to Mary E for wandering from her orignal post on perfect
> Cad.
>
>

[Anonymous]

That is not correct. You CAN change multiple text entities with the
Properties Box. I just changed the width factor, style, justification,
height, rotation and oblique angle on multiple selected text items.

--
John Colby
Lauterbach & Associates
www.la-arch.com
"MTN Dave" wrote in message
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> Sorry, but you are wrong. You can only change width of text individually
and
> not globally with the using object properties. You can't even change the
> style, height, or oblique angle globally. CHT does it all! I hardly ever
> use mtext unless it's for huge blocks of notes.
> "Rick Lincoln" wrote in message
> news:DC60ADF36AD6FC24208F1AB3B856AB77@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> > The object properties box is limited. In previous versions you could do
> more
> > with text using the cht command. I don't know why they don't have it
> anymore
> > but I just use it any way. Fastest way I know how to change the width of
> all
> > the text in a dwg globally. Can't do it with the object properties.
> >
> > Am I missing the point? You can change the width factor of single line
> text
> > with an individual selection, multiple selection, or globally, with the
> > object properties box. Correct me if I'm wrong, but width in mtext is
> > controlled via the text style. Or, alternatively, by applying the \W
> format
> > code in the mtext editor.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

This intrigued me so I just did a little test.

I created two multiline text entities and one dtext entity. I used
different styles in all 3 and the two mtext entities were created with
different sized bounding areas.

When I select all 3 text entities and right click for the properties box, I
can only change the justification, direction (vertical/horizontal), height
and rotation angle for all of the entities. There are no options to change
the text width or style.

When I use the CHT command (this was part of the old R14 bonus tools) I can
change the width and height of all the text entities simultaneously,
however, width has a different affect on mtext and dtext. With mtext, width
changes the width of the bounding box. With dtext, width changes the width
ratio of the text. Very different results!

CHT will also change the style of all of the selected text, whether mtext or
dtext. (There is a little bug in the style change routine which requires an
extra 'return' right after choosing the 'Style' option)

CHT lets you change the actual text of each entity selected either
individually, in a separate dialog box for each entity, or globally, using a
'replace text' sort of routine where you enter a text string to be found and
replaced with another string.

CHT is a really handy command for certain things. I don't use it all that
much any more but there are times where it's the only thing that will do.
I'm surprised that it's not included somewhere in 2002. We've brought the
lisp for CHT from R14 into ADT via a custom menu. Maybe it's in 2002
somewhere that I don't know about...

Charlie


"Rick Lincoln" wrote in message
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> We must be talking about two seperate issues. If you're speaking of the
> object properties box (Ctrl+1) in R2002, for single line text I can
change:
>
> Contents
> Style
> Justify
> Height
> Rotation
> Width Factor
> Obliquing
> Text Alignment X
> Text Alignment Y
> Text Alignment Z
>
> and the normal properties, such as color, linetype, etc.
>
> For mtext, I can change:
>
> Contents
> Style
> Justify
> Direction
> Width
> Height
> Rotation
> Line Space Factor
> Line Space Style
>
> as well as the other properties.
>
> Again, correct me if I'm on a different page.
>
> Rick
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

EXACTLY!! and it doesn't take up valuble screen estate. I have yet to find
one good reason to use the properties box. I too am very surprised it's not
part of 2002. I use the command several times a day.
"Charlie Peil" wrote in message
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> This intrigued me so I just did a little test.
>
> I created two multiline text entities and one dtext entity. I used
> different styles in all 3 and the two mtext entities were created with
> different sized bounding areas.
>
> When I select all 3 text entities and right click for the properties box,
I
> can only change the justification, direction (vertical/horizontal), height
> and rotation angle for all of the entities. There are no options to
change
> the text width or style.
>
> When I use the CHT command (this was part of the old R14 bonus tools) I
can
> change the width and height of all the text entities simultaneously,
> however, width has a different affect on mtext and dtext. With mtext,
width
> changes the width of the bounding box. With dtext, width changes the
width
> ratio of the text. Very different results!
>
> CHT will also change the style of all of the selected text, whether mtext
or
> dtext. (There is a little bug in the style change routine which requires
an
> extra 'return' right after choosing the 'Style' option)
>
> CHT lets you change the actual text of each entity selected either
> individually, in a separate dialog box for each entity, or globally, using
a
> 'replace text' sort of routine where you enter a text string to be found
and
> replaced with another string.
>
> CHT is a really handy command for certain things. I don't use it all that
> much any more but there are times where it's the only thing that will do.
> I'm surprised that it's not included somewhere in 2002. We've brought the
> lisp for CHT from R14 into ADT via a custom menu. Maybe it's in 2002
> somewhere that I don't know about...
>
> Charlie
>
>
> "Rick Lincoln" wrote in message
> news:7D88A549D286DC7206C2C5D252EF9E11@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > We must be talking about two seperate issues. If you're speaking of the
> > object properties box (Ctrl+1) in R2002, for single line text I can
> change:
> >
> > Contents
> > Style
> > Justify
> > Height
> > Rotation
> > Width Factor
> > Obliquing
> > Text Alignment X
> > Text Alignment Y
> > Text Alignment Z
> >
> > and the normal properties, such as color, linetype, etc.
> >
> > For mtext, I can change:
> >
> > Contents
> > Style
> > Justify
> > Direction
> > Width
> > Height
> > Rotation
> > Line Space Factor
> > Line Space Style
> >
> > as well as the other properties.
> >
> > Again, correct me if I'm on a different page.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

how, I can't
"John Colby" wrote in message
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> That is not correct. You CAN change multiple text entities with the
> Properties Box. I just changed the width factor, style, justification,
> height, rotation and oblique angle on multiple selected text items.
>
> --
> John Colby
> Lauterbach & Associates
> www.la-arch.com
> "MTN Dave" wrote in message
> news:AE3EC75B604DA4EE151A254AE619D120@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Sorry, but you are wrong. You can only change width of text individually
> and
> > not globally with the using object properties. You can't even change the
> > style, height, or oblique angle globally. CHT does it all! I hardly
ever
> > use mtext unless it's for huge blocks of notes.
> > "Rick Lincoln" wrote in message
> > news:DC60ADF36AD6FC24208F1AB3B856AB77@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > >
> > > The object properties box is limited. In previous versions you could
do
> > more
> > > with text using the cht command. I don't know why they don't have it
> > anymore
> > > but I just use it any way. Fastest way I know how to change the width
of
> > all
> > > the text in a dwg globally. Can't do it with the object properties.
> > >
> > > Am I missing the point? You can change the width factor of single line
> > text
> > > with an individual selection, multiple selection, or globally, with
the
> > > object properties box. Correct me if I'm wrong, but width in mtext is
> > > controlled via the text style. Or, alternatively, by applying the \W
> > format
> > > code in the mtext editor.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Goes back to my point about extra time must be
taken to create plans that are buildable.

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Mary

Everyone needs to remember that on most projects
the drawings are not just to get it built.  The owner of the building
will be relying on those drawings for 30 or more years to manage the
facility.  There are always projects after the fact to modify a process
or change a space.  If the drawings are turned over to the owner in bad
shape then future work is going to go to someone else.  I am speaking
from an owners point of view because I now work for a manufacturing
firm.  There are several companies here in town that will not being doing
work here because of their lack of attention to detail on the designs as well
as the cad monkey syndrome. 

I don't prescribe a lot of our own standards
because I know how hard that is to change from job to job, since I have also
been on that side of the fence.  But I do require some adherence to the
simplest of standards, and that they stick to their own standards.  I had
a drawing submitted to us with column bubbles 2" in diameter.  I
complained about the size and they said I hadn't covered it in my standards to
them, which is true, but I would expect anyone to know that column bubbles
printed on a page should be in the 3/4" dia. range.  This was just the
tip of the iceberg with them, and needless to say we go else where when we
need things done outside.

So, keep those drawings looking good because it
has an effect on future work.

Kent Elrod

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"mary_eatinger" <> wrote in message ...

My office (we're
frequently told) has an excellent cad standard system. I believe we're
having a problem with people spending way too much time keeping the system
perfect and spending less time on actual production and quality control of
the projects. I'm as guilty as everyone else. It's easy to find yourself
chasing dimension lines around the page to size all the tick marks perfectly
before you realize it doesn't matter after it's plotted. We've seen sets of
drawings from many other firms that look like they had monkeys for cad
operators but I wonder if they're actually saving time and getting projects
out faster with less stringent cad standards. The idea is to get the project
out, permitted and built? Right?

Has anyone else out there had any experience in how to balance cad
perfection with production? Obviously better project management is the
answer, but we're small and everyone's managing their own projects. Any
opinions? How is everyone else using cad standards, but not to the point
that that's all people focus on?

[Anonymous]

just select the text items, and start changing... you may have to go to that
little pull down box deal (filter) and select "text" or "mtext", then it
gives you the options in the properties box... you cannot, however do mtext
and dtext at the same time.... but multiples of each is possible... i love
the properties window, having 2 monitors allows me to keep it open, never
closing it.... it gives me all kinds of info on the spot when i need it....

--
Don't wait, procrastinate now!...

[Anonymous]

Dave

I didn't know about the facilities management N.G,
and I looked through the subscription list 4 times and still cannot find
it.  Can you confirm that it is still out there?  Thanks.

I let the design firm use layer names they normally
use, but I prefer the AIA.  I use autocad's extension for standards when
necessary to move drawings into record document mode.

Thanks again,

Kent

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Kent,

You are the only one that I have heard say
anything about the owner. Did you know that there is a facilities management
N.G.?

However, the best way to manage other drawings is
with layer management. With Layer Translate, you can change other layer
systems to match your needs and at the same time force intities to all
properties "bylayer".  You can also do this without changing any layers.

Dave Alexander

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Mary

Everyone needs to remember that on most
projects the drawings are not just to get it built.  The owner of the
building will be relying on those drawings for 30 or more years to manage
the facility.  There are always projects after the fact to modify a
process or change a space.  If the drawings are turned over to the
owner in bad shape then future work is going to go to someone else.  I
am speaking from an owners point of view because I now work for a
manufacturing firm.  There are several companies here in town that will
not being doing work here because of their lack of attention to detail on
the designs as well as the cad monkey syndrome. 

I don't prescribe a lot of our own standards
because I know how hard that is to change from job to job, since I have also
been on that side of the fence.  But I do require some adherence to the
simplest of standards, and that they stick to their own standards.  I
had a drawing submitted to us with column bubbles 2" in diameter.  I
complained about the size and they said I hadn't covered it in my standards
to them, which is true, but I would expect anyone to know that column
bubbles printed on a page should be in the 3/4" dia. range.  This was
just the tip of the iceberg with them, and needless to say we go else where
when we need things done outside.

So, keep those drawings looking good because it
has an effect on future work.

Kent
Elrod

[Anonymous]

Hi, Charlie.
When you select more than one type of object, you can pull down the object
list and narrow your selection. If you have all three of your objects
selected, the list reads "All (3)". When you narrow the selection down, say
to "Text (1)", all of the unique properties will appear, which are:

> > Contents
> > Style
> > Justify
> > Height
> > Rotation
> > Width Factor
> > Obliquing
> > Text Alignment X
> > Text Alignment Y
> > Text Alignment Z

along with all of the other entity properties.

If I recall, the change text was pretty handy. The only draw back was that
you had to build the selection set in the command (?). With the object
properties box, you can select everything in the drawing, then narrow down
the selection to a certain object type.

Like I said in a previous post, I may be all wet. It's been a while since
I've used the change text command. All I know is that once I started using
the object properties box, I've never needed to use anything else.

Rick

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You are quite correct, you can narrow the selection down as you suggested.
However, Bill's original point was, in part, that you couldn't change mtext
and dtext with the same command all at the same time.

While messing around with this, I discovered that I wasn't able to get the
Properties window or CHT to change the width factor (ratio) of mtext such as
can be done with dtext entities. That little trick can save having to make
a new separate text style for a one-off special use. Another good reason to
not forget about the ol' dtext command.

You are correct, too, that when using CHT to change the text of a lot of
separate entities, (in a table or list, for example) you do have to select
the individual text entities in the order that you want to make the changes.
If you use a window, the individual strings will come up in a random order,
each in their own dialog box..

All in all,.the properties box is a wonderful thing, though. When I have to
edit an R14 drawing I really miss it!

Charlie


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> Hi, Charlie.
> When you select more than one type of object, you can pull down the object
> list and narrow your selection. If you have all three of your objects
> selected, the list reads "All (3)". When you narrow the selection down,
say
> to "Text (1)", all of the unique properties will appear, which are:
>
> > > Contents
> > > Style
> > > Justify
> > > Height
> > > Rotation
> > > Width Factor
> > > Obliquing
> > > Text Alignment X
> > > Text Alignment Y
> > > Text Alignment Z
>
> along with all of the other entity properties.
>
> If I recall, the change text was pretty handy. The only draw back was that
> you had to build the selection set in the command (?). With the object
> properties box, you can select everything in the drawing, then narrow down
> the selection to a certain object type.
>
> Like I said in a previous post, I may be all wet. It's been a while since
> I've used the change text command. All I know is that once I started using
> the object properties box, I've never needed to use anything else.
>
> Rick
>
>