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Message 1 of 8
Anonymous
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Scaled titleblocks

Hello,
Is anyone placing titleblocks in PS scaled based on the plot scale? For
example, if the scale of my Plan and Profile is 1" = 50', the titleblock is
inserted into PS at a scale of 50 and the VP scale is 1:1. Can anyone see
advantages to doing this rather than just inserting the TB at a scale of 1?
I frequently use multiple layouts with varying scales and sometime multiple
VPs with varying scale on the same layout. Has anyone had problems with
incorrect VP scales when inserting the TB at 1:1? One issue I ust address is
the linetypes won't be viewed correctly in MS if the TB is inserted at 1:1.
Even though they will plot correctly when plotting from PS at all scales, I
need to address this somehow. I personally prefer the TB at 1:1 and can
manually change LTSCALE from the dwgscale to "1" but I'm getting much
resistance to this idea even thought most of my industry (civil/survey)
appears to do it this way andthe schools I know of teach PS this way. Any
comments?

Thanks,
Steve
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Message 2 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

If you set LTSCALE to 1 and PSLTSCALE to 1 (enables) and use a scaled
view of your model in a 1:1 titleblock in a layout, each viewport will
display the linetype at the scale that is appropriate for each viewport
- i.e. they will all plot at the same plotted interval regardless of the
viewport scale.

--
Karl M. Fuls PLS
Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

. wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Is anyone placing titleblocks in PS scaled based on the plot scale? For
> example, if the scale of my Plan and Profile is 1" = 50', the titleblock is
> inserted into PS at a scale of 50 and the VP scale is 1:1. Can anyone see
> advantages to doing this rather than just inserting the TB at a scale of 1?
> I frequently use multiple layouts with varying scales and sometime multiple
> VPs with varying scale on the same layout. Has anyone had problems with
> incorrect VP scales when inserting the TB at 1:1? One issue I ust address is
> the linetypes won't be viewed correctly in MS if the TB is inserted at 1:1.
> Even though they will plot correctly when plotting from PS at all scales, I
> need to address this somehow. I personally prefer the TB at 1:1 and can
> manually change LTSCALE from the dwgscale to "1" but I'm getting much
> resistance to this idea even thought most of my industry (civil/survey)
> appears to do it this way andthe schools I know of teach PS this way. Any
> comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
Message 3 of 8
dalexander
in reply to: Anonymous

The titlebock inserted (xrefed) in ps at a scale of 1:1 is the best way. Dave Alexander
Message 4 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Title block should be inserted at a scale of 1:1 in PS. Setting Ltscale and
Psltscale to 1 will show all line work properly. Not inserting 1:1 takes
away several advantages of PS. One being that no matter which drawing you
plot the plot scale is always 1:1, two, setting up viewports for differing
scales is very easy when the title block is 1:1. AutoCAD's built in
viewport scaling will only work with the PS at 1:1.

The scaling of a viewport is relative to the TB, and PS is assumed to be
1:1.

My $0.02

--
Ciao

Kent Elrod, RBG
Facilities Design
Sumitomo Sitix Silicon, Inc
Albuquerque, New Mexico
kelrod@ssaq.sitix.com
************************************************************************

<.> wrote in message
news:7BE73B9BF30C48C93C38CDF05CDAE8A1@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> Hello,
> Is anyone placing titleblocks in PS scaled based on the plot scale? For
> example, if the scale of my Plan and Profile is 1" = 50', the titleblock
is
> inserted into PS at a scale of 50 and the VP scale is 1:1. Can anyone see
> advantages to doing this rather than just inserting the TB at a scale of
1?
> I frequently use multiple layouts with varying scales and sometime
multiple
> VPs with varying scale on the same layout. Has anyone had problems with
> incorrect VP scales when inserting the TB at 1:1? One issue I ust address
is
> the linetypes won't be viewed correctly in MS if the TB is inserted at
1:1.
> Even though they will plot correctly when plotting from PS at all scales,
I
> need to address this somehow. I personally prefer the TB at 1:1 and can
> manually change LTSCALE from the dwgscale to "1" but I'm getting much
> resistance to this idea even thought most of my industry (civil/survey)
> appears to do it this way andthe schools I know of teach PS this way. Any
> comments?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
Message 5 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I'm glad to see everyone is agreeing with me. Let's keep the positive
feedback coming....

Thanks,
Steve

Kent Elrod wrote in message
news:D6CC58DA980A856D9E7633C96425B47C@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> Title block should be inserted at a scale of 1:1 in PS. Setting Ltscale
and
> Psltscale to 1 will show all line work properly. Not inserting 1:1 takes
> away several advantages of PS. One being that no matter which drawing you
> plot the plot scale is always 1:1, two, setting up viewports for differing
> scales is very easy when the title block is 1:1. AutoCAD's built in
> viewport scaling will only work with the PS at 1:1.
>
> The scaling of a viewport is relative to the TB, and PS is assumed to be
> 1:1.
>
> My $0.02
>
> --
> Ciao
>
> Kent Elrod, RBG
> Facilities Design
> Sumitomo Sitix Silicon, Inc
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
> kelrod@ssaq.sitix.com
> ************************************************************************
>
> <.> wrote in message
> news:7BE73B9BF30C48C93C38CDF05CDAE8A1@in.WebX.SaUCah8kaAW...
> > Hello,
> > Is anyone placing titleblocks in PS scaled based on the plot scale? For
> > example, if the scale of my Plan and Profile is 1" = 50', the titleblock
> is
> > inserted into PS at a scale of 50 and the VP scale is 1:1. Can anyone
see
> > advantages to doing this rather than just inserting the TB at a scale of
> 1?
> > I frequently use multiple layouts with varying scales and sometime
> multiple
> > VPs with varying scale on the same layout. Has anyone had problems with
> > incorrect VP scales when inserting the TB at 1:1? One issue I ust
address
> is
> > the linetypes won't be viewed correctly in MS if the TB is inserted at
> 1:1.
> > Even though they will plot correctly when plotting from PS at all
scales,
> I
> > need to address this somehow. I personally prefer the TB at 1:1 and can
> > manually change LTSCALE from the dwgscale to "1" but I'm getting much
> > resistance to this idea even thought most of my industry (civil/survey)
> > appears to do it this way andthe schools I know of teach PS this way.
Any
> > comments?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> >
>
Message 6 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

actually,

i thought about this a year or so ago. we received some cad files for a
project that we had to finish after others started it, we all know this is
fun!

anyway... the files were in r14, a base map, xrefed into a separate file
for each sheet (before layout tabs) and the base was xclipped in each file,
then they had the borders in paper. it took a bit to figure out that the
formats in paper were really at 1"=40',
they were 960'x1440'. and there were interesting things about the advantages
of that. like not having to switch lt scales, or worry about text sizes...
there were other reasons but its been to long. if you think about it to long
it starts to make sense in a strange strang way.

later,

jd drafter
Message 7 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Yes, that's the one exception. For that situation though there is no need for
paperspace at all so I just rename the R2000 layout to "NOT-USED". It's a great
way to go (sometimes).

The ltscale stuff can be a nightmare to keep straight, particularly where there
are different scaled viewports. I have some customization to change everything
when toggling in & out of paperspace but it still goes awry sometimes,
especially if you forget to use it & just click the model or paper tab.

If anyone knows of a good utility for this that works with metric, engineering &
architectural units, I'd be real interested.

jd drafter wrote:

> actually,
>
> ... a base map, xrefed into a separate file for each sheet and the base was
> xclipped in each file, then they had the borders in paper. it took a bit to
> figure out that the formats in paper were really at 1"=40', they were
> 960'x1440'. and there were interesting things about the advantages of that.
> like not having to switch lt scales, or worry about text sizes... there were
> other reasons but its been to long. if you think about it to long it starts to
> make sense in a strange strange way.
Message 8 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

So, what are compelling reasons to scale a titleblock in PS? I prefer the
1:1 TB because it's consistent across all drawings regardless of scale, LTs
plot correctly, and the AutoCAD VP scales on the VP Toolbar are setup for a
TB inserted at 1:1. I also (with a few specific exceptions) don't think text
should be placed in PS, it belongs in MS with the geometry. I'm not
concerned about LTs appearing correctly in MS because I can change the
LTSCALE myself or create a macro that does it for me. Setting LTSCALE for a
scaled titleblock with multiple VP scales just seems like a hassle. Not to
mention, how do you set the VP scale of a detail VP when the main VP is set
to 1:1 because of the scaled TB?

Steve

Paul Furman wrote in message
news:3A5E2334.78A17818@edgehill.net...
> Yes, that's the one exception. For that situation though there is no need
for
> paperspace at all so I just rename the R2000 layout to "NOT-USED". It's a
great
> way to go (sometimes).
>
> The ltscale stuff can be a nightmare to keep straight, particularly where
there
> are different scaled viewports. I have some customization to change
everything
> when toggling in & out of paperspace but it still goes awry sometimes,
> especially if you forget to use it & just click the model or paper tab.
>
> If anyone knows of a good utility for this that works with metric,
engineering &
> architectural units, I'd be real interested.
>
> jd drafter wrote:
>
> > actually,
> >
> > ... a base map, xrefed into a separate file for each sheet and the base
was
> > xclipped in each file, then they had the borders in paper. it took a bit
to
> > figure out that the formats in paper were really at 1"=40', they were
> > 960'x1440'. and there were interesting things about the advantages of
that.
> > like not having to switch lt scales, or worry about text sizes... there
were
> > other reasons but its been to long. if you think about it to long it
starts to
> > make sense in a strange strange way.
>

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