Project Waves in the future

[jcollins77]

I'm just a beginner programmer and not near the developer side yet. I'm putting this out to get developers to move on to it.

I watched the google wave video and got in my head this would be something that Revit needs. To have the wave feature of collaboration added to the revit model would be a great addition. You can have ideas, changes, and general discussion with people in the same company all the way to the entire group working on the project. Architect, Engineers, Interior designers, MEP, Technology, etc.

Anyone else agree with this idea?
I know I'm going to keep up to speed on this idea and start learning how to program for this new platform.

If you haven't watched the video.
http://wave.google.com/

[Anonymous]

Repeat after me,"I am looking at an HTML 5 app. I am looking at what is
possible in the browser."

That said, Autodesk cripples their software. They have always refused to
support collaboration and they never will permit collaboration.


"Jcollins77" wrote in message news:6192815@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm just a beginner programmer and not near the developer side yet. I'm
putting this out to get developers to move on to it. I watched the google
wave video and got in my head this would be something that Revit needs. To
have the wave feature of collaboration added to the revit model would be a
great addition. You can have ideas, changes, and general discussion with
people in the same company all the way to the entire group working on the
project. Architect, Engineers, Interior designers, MEP, Technology, etc.
Anyone else agree with this idea? I know I'm going to keep up to speed on
this idea and start learning how to program for this new platform. If you
haven't watched the video. http://wave.google.com/

[Anonymous]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:24:28 +0000, clintonG wrote:

>That said, Autodesk cripples their software. They have always refused to
>support collaboration and they never will permit collaboration.

Yeah!

Well, except for Buzzsaw.

And Navisworks.

And Vault.

And Design Review.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com

[Anonymous]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:50:50 +0000, Matt Stachoni wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:24:28 +0000, clintonG wrote:

>>That said, Autodesk cripples their software. They have always refused to
>>support collaboration and they never will permit collaboration.

>Yeah!
>
>Well, except for Buzzsaw.

>And Navisworks.

>And Vault.

>And Design Review.

Oh yeah, and instances where we can share data between products,
such as:

Revit > Civil 3D
Inventor > Revit
Inventor > ACA
Revit's built-in collaboration between Revit Architecture/MEP/Structure
Revit's ability to share costing data with tools from R.S. Means
IFC features built into any number of AEC products

And from Autodesk Labs:

Project Freewheel
2D/3D ShareNow
RDB Link for Revit

So, aside from those 13 or so applications/features, you're absolutely right.
Autodesk's stuff sure it crippled and devoid of collaboration mechanisms.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com

[Anonymous]

Don't forget FBX export from Revit to Max Design/Max....

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"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:6194642@discussion.autodesk.com...
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:50:50 +0000, Matt Stachoni wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:24:28 +0000, clintonG wrote:

>>That said, Autodesk cripples their software. They have always refused to
>>support collaboration and they never will permit collaboration.

>Yeah!
>
>Well, except for Buzzsaw.

>And Navisworks.

>And Vault.

>And Design Review.

Oh yeah, and instances where we can share data between products,
such as:

Revit > Civil 3D
Inventor > Revit
Inventor > ACA
Revit's built-in collaboration between Revit Architecture/MEP/Structure
Revit's ability to share costing data with tools from R.S. Means
IFC features built into any number of AEC products

And from Autodesk Labs:

Project Freewheel
2D/3D ShareNow
RDB Link for Revit

So, aside from those 13 or so applications/features, you're absolutely
right.
Autodesk's stuff sure it crippled and devoid of collaboration mechanisms.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com

[Anonymous]

Oh, and also .wire between IAlias and Inventor.

Also, the ability to open in Inventor:

Catia v5
UGS NX
Pro/E
Solidworks
& others...

Some collaboration..... 🙂

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Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
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[Anonymous]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:39:54 +0000, Dennis Jeffrey
wrote:

>Oh, and also .wire between IAlias and Inventor.
>
>Also, the ability to open in Inventor:
>
>Catia v5
>UGS NX
>Pro/E
>Solidworks
>& others...
>
>Some collaboration..... 🙂

Okay, so aside from

Buzzsaw,
Navisworks,
Vault,
Design Review,
Revit to Civil 3D data sharing,
Inventor to Revit data sharing,
Inventor to ACA data sharing,
Revit Architecture sharing with MEP and Structure,
Revit sharing costing data with R.S. Means,
IFC features,
Project Freewheel,
2D/3D ShareNow,
RDB Link for Revit,
FBX export from Revit to Max Design/Max,
.wire between IAlias and Inventor,
Inventor's ability to open files from Catia v5, UGS NX, Pro/E, Solidworks, etc.,
and
AutoCAD's ability to reference Microstation files, DWFs and PDFs

...What has Autodesk REALLY Done for collaboration?

Matt
matt@stachoni.com

[Anonymous]

Well, Revit Architecture to AutoCAD Architecture seems like it should be a natural collaboration but is anything but.

[Anonymous]

Yea, we can see how Autodesk has made it possible to collaborate with those
using SharePoint. The same interest in serving their customer's best
interests will be shown to those attempting to use Wave.

If Autodesk provided meaningful collaborative support for SharePoint and
Wave there would be no need for anybody to pay or otherwise use their
Buzzsaw, Vault and Design Review








"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:6194465@discussion.autodesk.com...
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:24:28 +0000, clintonG wrote:

>That said, Autodesk cripples their software. They have always refused to
>support collaboration and they never will permit collaboration.

Yeah!

Well, except for Buzzsaw.

And Navisworks.

And Vault.

And Design Review.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Jun 4, 2009 12:57 PM

[Anonymous]

Who pays for Vault & Design Review?

Work: VISTA
Ultimate/Windows 7 x32 - AMD 64 X2 Dual Core 4200 2.2GHz, 4 Gigs
Ram, GeForce 6800GS 256MB

Home: VISTA Ultimate x64 - AMD 64 Quad
Core 2.2GHz, 8 Gigs Ram, GeForce 8600GT 512MB

Laptop (17" HP): VISTA Premium x32 -
color="#000000">AMD Turion X2 Dual Core TL-50 1.6GHz, 2 Gigs Ram,
color="#666666">Nvidia GeForce 6150

clintonG wrote:

Yea, we can see how Autodesk has made it possible to collaborate with those 

using SharePoint. The same interest in serving their customer's best 

interests will be shown to those attempting to use Wave.



If Autodesk provided meaningful collaborative support for SharePoint and 

Wave there would be no need for anybody to pay or otherwise use their 

Buzzsaw, Vault and Design Review 

















"Matt Stachoni" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message 

news:6194465@discussion.autodesk.com...

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:24:28 +0000, clintonG <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:



  

That said, Autodesk cripples their software. They have always refused to

support collaboration and they never will permit collaboration.

    

Yeah!



Well, except for Buzzsaw.



And Navisworks.



And Vault.



And Design Review.



Matt

matt@stachoni.com

  

Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Jun 4, 2009 12:55 PM

[Anonymous]

while I agree there is a lot of room for growth, the fact is we reject many of Autodesk's suggested solutions.
That is fine with me, as I want them focused on getting acad and verticals fast and stable.

I think people forget though, that the idea of xrefs is the biggest collaboration feature ever. I know other progs had
them before acad, but they are 90% of the battle.

If you ask me, the game of sharing is all about xref management, and there should be a spectrum of tools available to
us. there are not, we have lousy reference manager, and vault - on way opposite ends of the spectrum. Ref manager is
junk if doing anything often and involving a lot of files. Vault must take over to use it, not going to happen.

Things like linkfixer get closer to the need. I have something to fill what i think is the gap, but not quite done.
This wave thing would be nice for sharing dwg content, but managing location of content is a whole separate ball of wax
that needs to be addressed better, without making us adopt some doc mgmt system that hides or moves our files.
NewForma has the right idea, just not optimized for changing xref paths.


James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - at - hunsaker - dotcom

[Anonymous]

I did about a month before Design Review became
free. We were refunded the money but still.

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"C Witt" <cwitt_AT_trkeng.com> wrote in message
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Who pays for Vault & Design Review?

Work: VISTA
Ultimate/Windows 7 x32 - AMD 64 X2 Dual Core 4200 2.2GHz, 4 Gigs Ram,
color=#666666>GeForce 6800GS 256MB

color=#000000>Home: VISTA Ultimate x64 - AMD 64 Quad Core 2.2GHz, 8
Gigs Ram, GeForce 8600GT 512MB

color=#000000>Laptop (17" HP): VISTA Premium x32 -
color=#000000>AMD Turion X2 Dual Core TL-50 1.6GHz, 2 Gigs Ram,
color=#666666>Nvidia GeForce 6150

clintonG
wrote:

Yea, we can see how Autodesk has made it possible to collaborate with those 

using SharePoint. The same interest in serving their customer's best 

interests will be shown to those attempting to use Wave.



If Autodesk provided meaningful collaborative support for SharePoint and 

Wave there would be no need for anybody to pay or otherwise use their 

Buzzsaw, Vault and Design Review 

















"Matt Stachoni" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message 

news:6194465@discussion.autodesk.com...

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:24:28 +0000, clintonG <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:



  

That said, Autodesk cripples their software. They have always refused to

support collaboration and they never will permit collaboration.

    

Yeah!



Well, except for Buzzsaw.



And Navisworks.



And Vault.



And Design Review.



Matt

matt@stachoni.com

  

Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Jun 4, 2009 12:55
PM

[Anonymous]

you have to be careful, I would say Civil 3D goes too far with collaboration.
It may be one person making data, or twenty, but things can get complicated fast.
Look how long its taken to get C3D at where it is, which is half done IMO.
not that anyone could do better, its just a huge task to try to automate civil processes.

So when we get the tied together world we want, we may not want it so bad.
Maybe Autodesk is doing what we have always asked - stick to what can be made stable so we can depend on it at deadline
time.

Matt Stachoni
|>On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:39:54 +0000, Dennis Jeffrey
|>wrote:
|>
|>>Oh, and also .wire between IAlias and Inventor.
|>>
|>>Also, the ability to open in Inventor:
|>>
|>>Catia v5
|>>UGS NX
|>>Pro/E
|>>Solidworks
|>>& others...
|>>
|>>Some collaboration..... 🙂
|>
|>Okay, so aside from
|>
|>Buzzsaw,
|>Navisworks,
|>Vault,
|>Design Review,
|>Revit to Civil 3D data sharing,
|>Inventor to Revit data sharing,
|>Inventor to ACA data sharing,
|>Revit Architecture sharing with MEP and Structure,
|>Revit sharing costing data with R.S. Means,
|>IFC features,
|>Project Freewheel,
|>2D/3D ShareNow,
|>RDB Link for Revit,
|>FBX export from Revit to Max Design/Max,
|>.wire between IAlias and Inventor,
|>Inventor's ability to open files from Catia v5, UGS NX, Pro/E, Solidworks, etc.,
|>and
|>AutoCAD's ability to reference Microstation files, DWFs and PDFs
|>
|>...What has Autodesk REALLY Done for collaboration?
|>
|>Matt
|>matt@stachoni.com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - at - hunsaker - dotcom

[Anonymous]

Have you worked with Project Files in AutoCAD in relation to xrefs?

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Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
AIP 2008 SP3, AIP 2009-SP1 PcCillin AV
AMD 64 x2 3.0 Ghz, 8GB RAM GeForce 9800GT 512MB
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[Anonymous]

no, not sure what you mean. Always looking for new things....

Dennis Jeffrey
|>Have you worked with Project Files in AutoCAD in relation to xrefs?
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - at - hunsaker - dotcom

[Anonymous]

Projects and Project file search paths have existed in AutoCAD since R14.
Check out Options >> Files >> Project Files Search Path. See attached and
search Help for PROJECTNAME variable.

See attached image.

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Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
AIP 2008 SP3, AIP 2009-SP1 PcCillin AV
AMD 64 x2 3.0 Ghz, 8GB RAM GeForce 9800GT 512MB
XP Pro SP3, Windows XP Silver Theme
http://teknigroup.com

[Anonymous]

I did an AU class on this in the late '90's. I'll see if I can find the
document.

--
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Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
AIP 2008 SP3, AIP 2009-SP1 PcCillin AV
AMD 64 x2 3.0 Ghz, 8GB RAM GeForce 9800GT 512MB
XP Pro SP3, Windows XP Silver Theme
http://teknigroup.com

[Anonymous]

oh, yes I have known about those since they were introduced, although I have never used them.
I believe those are stored in the profile (registry), and to think we are going to have one profile per "job" is not
reality.
For starters, we commonly work on different projects at the same time, copying items from one to another.
Then, the maintenance of all those profiles on different machines, when anything changes, is almost as bad as the
original problem of lack of tools for changing things.
I can do reg hacks all day long, but tracking the list of jobs and maintaining is not the desired solution.
I want files to work with plain profiles.
I appreciate the suggestion, but I chalk that solution up to Autodesk experimentation that never fit the problem.

Dennis Jeffrey
|>Projects and Project file search paths have existed in AutoCAD since R14.
|>Check out Options >> Files >> Project Files Search Path. See attached and
|>search Help for PROJECTNAME variable.
|>
|>See attached image.
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - at - hunsaker - dotcom

[Anonymous]

> {quote:title=James Maeding wrote:}{quote}
> oh, yes I have known about those since they were introduced, although I have never used them.
> I believe those are stored in the profile (registry), and to think we are going to have one profile per "job" is not
> reality.
> For starters, we commonly work on different projects at the same time, copying items from one to another.
> Then, the maintenance of all those profiles on different machines, when anything changes, is almost as bad as the
> original problem of lack of tools for changing things.
> I can do reg hacks all day long, but tracking the list of jobs and maintaining is not the desired solution.
> I want files to work with plain profiles.
> I appreciate the suggestion, but I chalk that solution up to Autodesk experimentation that never fit the problem.

From your description, it appears you've dismissed the tool without understanding how it works. You would not need any more profiles than you currently do, but in each profile there would be several project paths - one for each project the user would work on. The PROJECTNAME variable is stored in the drawings, and it uses that value to figure out where you want it to look for files.

It would address many of your points mentioned above without all of the downsides you've mistakenly attributed to it in your post quoted above. Sometimes, if you use Autodesk tools as they are intended, you find out they aren't the bunch of idiots they've gotten treated as. Sometimes.

[Anonymous]

I agree 100%.

James Maeding wrote:
> oh, yes I have known about those since they were introduced, although I have never used them.
> I believe those are stored in the profile (registry), and to think we are going to have one profile per "job" is not
> reality.
> For starters, we commonly work on different projects at the same time, copying items from one to another.
> Then, the maintenance of all those profiles on different machines, when anything changes, is almost as bad as the
> original problem of lack of tools for changing things.
> I can do reg hacks all day long, but tracking the list of jobs and maintaining is not the desired solution.
> I want files to work with plain profiles.
> I appreciate the suggestion, but I chalk that solution up to Autodesk experimentation that never fit the problem.
>
> Dennis Jeffrey
> |>Projects and Project file search paths have existed in AutoCAD since R14.
> |>Check out Options >> Files >> Project Files Search Path. See attached and
> |>search Help for PROJECTNAME variable.
> |>
> |>See attached image.
> James Maeding
> Civil Engineer and Programmer
> jmaeding - at - hunsaker - dotcom