Instrument drafted by...

[Anonymous]

Good Afternoon All...

I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text across the
bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H. Doe, S-9999".

I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements written and
prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by surveyors. Is this
appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor on property
surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't apply to the
type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to the
"drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this make sense?

JL

[Anonymous]

Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with information
he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or incomplete
information is provided?

--
Dean Saadallah
http://www.pendean.com
Expanded Links Page
http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
--


"Jake" wrote in message
news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Good Afternoon All...
>
> I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text across the
> bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H. Doe,
S-9999".
>
> I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements written and
> prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by surveyors. Is
this
> appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor on
property
> surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't apply to the
> type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to the
> "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this make sense?
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>

[jholt]

Jake,

I don't know about the "drafting" part, but if the surveyor is required by your state law to stamp/seal and sign the drawing, do what he asks. When he signs is, it may become a legal document. The law may require the language, or he may have experience which says this is a good idea. Regardless: if he signs it, he is professionally and LEGALLY responsible for the information presented on the drawings. Ipso, he calls the shots on information on the drawing. (Then again, none of this may apply, so check the exact situation!)

[Anonymous]

We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a surveyor. In
addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a Professioanl
Engineer seals plans.

One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings. We're not
sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night before or what
but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note doesn't
apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't know what
they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by the attorney
preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I, personally,
have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and legal
descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen add this
to his maps.

JL

"Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
news:E89A83E9DBD0CB5519C0CA82C33A38CA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with
information
> he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
> Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or incomplete
> information is provided?
>
> --
> Dean Saadallah
> http://www.pendean.com
> Expanded Links Page
> http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> --
>
>
> "Jake" wrote in message
> news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Good Afternoon All...
> >
> > I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text across
the
> > bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H. Doe,
> S-9999".
> >
> > I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements written and
> > prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by surveyors. Is
> this
> > appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor on
> property
> > surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't apply to
the
> > type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to the
> > "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this make
sense?
> >
> > JL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Take a look here. This will tell you what is required.

http://www.drl.state.wi.us/Regulation/applicant_information/dod202.html

Scott Stefanc, ASLA
Wisconsin RLA


"Jake" wrote in message
news:90D31542A318C707184CAFCE4E0ABD1A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a surveyor. In
> addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a
Professioanl
> Engineer seals plans.
>
> One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings. We're
not
> sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night before or
what
> but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note doesn't
> apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't know what
> they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by the
attorney
> preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I,
personally,
> have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and legal
> descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen add this
> to his maps.
>
> JL
>
> "Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
> news:E89A83E9DBD0CB5519C0CA82C33A38CA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with
> information
> > he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
> > Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or incomplete
> > information is provided?
> >
> > --
> > Dean Saadallah
> > http://www.pendean.com
> > Expanded Links Page
> > http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> > --
> >
> >
> > "Jake" wrote in message
> > news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Good Afternoon All...
> > >
> > > I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text across
> the
> > > bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H. Doe,
> > S-9999".
> > >
> > > I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements written
and
> > > prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by surveyors. Is
> > this
> > > appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor on
> > property
> > > surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't apply to
> the
> > > type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to the
> > > "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this make
> sense?
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

"Jake" wrote in message
news:90D31542A318C707184CAFCE4E0ABD1A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a surveyor. In
> addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a
Professioanl
> Engineer seals plans.

A surveyor IS a proffessional - just like a PE. There are education and
experience requirements as well as tests one must pass in order to become
licenced.

> One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings. We're
not
> sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night before or
what
> but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note doesn't
> apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't know what
> they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by the
attorney
> preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I,
personally,
> have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and legal
> descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen add this
> to his maps.
>
> JL

I am not familiar with laws and regulations in your state. Howerver, many
states are adopting minimum standards for land surveys which specify what
must be shown on a plat. Standards have been adopted in my state, yet many
surveyors still do not show what is required in the adopted standards. So,
it is possible for it to be common that plats lack required information.
Someone could take civil action or complaints to the licensing board because
of these deficiencies.

Terry Scanlon

[Anonymous]

My advice to you is to just let him do it. What difference does it make to
you? He obviously has more experience then you since he is an LS and you
don't even know what that is. His seal is on it, therefore it is his
responsibility for it's content, not yours.
"Jake" wrote in message
news:90D31542A318C707184CAFCE4E0ABD1A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a surveyor. In
> addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a
Professioanl
> Engineer seals plans.
>
> One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings. We're
not
> sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night before or
what
> but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note doesn't
> apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't know what
> they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by the
attorney
> preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I,
personally,
> have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and legal
> descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen add this
> to his maps.
>
> JL
>
> "Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
> news:E89A83E9DBD0CB5519C0CA82C33A38CA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with
> information
> > he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
> > Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or incomplete
> > information is provided?
> >
> > --
> > Dean Saadallah
> > http://www.pendean.com
> > Expanded Links Page
> > http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> > --
> >
> >
> > "Jake" wrote in message
> > news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Good Afternoon All...
> > >
> > > I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text across
> the
> > > bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H. Doe,
> > S-9999".
> > >
> > > I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements written
and
> > > prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by surveyors. Is
> > this
> > > appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor on
> > property
> > > surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't apply to
> the
> > > type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to the
> > > "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this make
> sense?
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

It becomes my problem when one out of nine surveyors wants to use this
phrase and he just decides to modify our titleblocks!

I never said I wouldn't place his notes on his map. In fact, I agree he can
do whatever he wants when he's sealing the document. The other surveyors
(including Principal & Associate Surveyors) have said not to make this
standard language and as a result, we are not modifying our titleblocks for
one surveyor.

By the way, Randy, have you looked into how much experience is necessary to
become a Registered Land Surveyor? I know guys with 25+ years of experience
but no license (for whatever reason) that are MUCH better surveyors than a
guy with a license, minimal experience and willing to stamp anything! Just
because you have a license does not mean you're good or have real, practical
experience, it just means you passed a test and worked long enough to get
the minimum experience as required by law. I'm not intending to pi$$ off any
REAL surveyors so I apologize if I have. I'm sure you too know people that
fit my description.




"Randy" wrote in message
news:E2C8CAB971FD12507D5E815E27580700@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> My advice to you is to just let him do it. What difference does it make to
> you? He obviously has more experience then you since he is an LS and you
> don't even know what that is. His seal is on it, therefore it is his
> responsibility for it's content, not yours.
> "Jake" wrote in message
> news:90D31542A318C707184CAFCE4E0ABD1A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a surveyor.
In
> > addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a
> Professioanl
> > Engineer seals plans.
> >
> > One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings. We're
> not
> > sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night before or
> what
> > but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note doesn't
> > apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't know
what
> > they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by the
> attorney
> > preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I,
> personally,
> > have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and legal
> > descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen add
this
> > to his maps.
> >
> > JL
> >
> > "Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
> > news:E89A83E9DBD0CB5519C0CA82C33A38CA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with
> > information
> > > he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
> > > Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or incomplete
> > > information is provided?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dean Saadallah
> > > http://www.pendean.com
> > > Expanded Links Page
> > > http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jake" wrote in message
> > > news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Good Afternoon All...
> > > >
> > > > I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text
across
> > the
> > > > bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H. Doe,
> > > S-9999".
> > > >
> > > > I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements written
> and
> > > > prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by surveyors.
Is
> > > this
> > > > appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor on
> > > property
> > > > surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't apply
to
> > the
> > > > type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to the
> > > > "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this make
> > sense?
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

I apologize if I offended you. Yes, with a college degree and 4 years field
work you can sit for the LS. Without a degree it's either 8 or 12 years
field work. I can't remember exactly. Yes, what you say is true. Just
because you passed a test doesn't mean you know what you are doing, take
most MCSE's for example. Most don't even know DOS.
"Jake" wrote in message
news:F481C7CB0B233AD8DC9A768464BD614A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It becomes my problem when one out of nine surveyors wants to use this
> phrase and he just decides to modify our titleblocks!
>
> I never said I wouldn't place his notes on his map. In fact, I agree he
can
> do whatever he wants when he's sealing the document. The other surveyors
> (including Principal & Associate Surveyors) have said not to make this
> standard language and as a result, we are not modifying our titleblocks
for
> one surveyor.
>
> By the way, Randy, have you looked into how much experience is necessary
to
> become a Registered Land Surveyor? I know guys with 25+ years of
experience
> but no license (for whatever reason) that are MUCH better surveyors than a
> guy with a license, minimal experience and willing to stamp anything! Just
> because you have a license does not mean you're good or have real,
practical
> experience, it just means you passed a test and worked long enough to get
> the minimum experience as required by law. I'm not intending to pi$$ off
any
> REAL surveyors so I apologize if I have. I'm sure you too know people that
> fit my description.
>
>
>
>
> "Randy" wrote in message
> news:E2C8CAB971FD12507D5E815E27580700@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > My advice to you is to just let him do it. What difference does it make
to
> > you? He obviously has more experience then you since he is an LS and you
> > don't even know what that is. His seal is on it, therefore it is his
> > responsibility for it's content, not yours.
> > "Jake" wrote in message
> > news:90D31542A318C707184CAFCE4E0ABD1A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a surveyor.
> In
> > > addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a
> > Professioanl
> > > Engineer seals plans.
> > >
> > > One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings.
We're
> > not
> > > sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night before
or
> > what
> > > but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note
doesn't
> > > apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't know
> what
> > > they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by the
> > attorney
> > > preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I,
> > personally,
> > > have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and
legal
> > > descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen add
> this
> > > to his maps.
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > "Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
> > > news:E89A83E9DBD0CB5519C0CA82C33A38CA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with
> > > information
> > > > he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
> > > > Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or incomplete
> > > > information is provided?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dean Saadallah
> > > > http://www.pendean.com
> > > > Expanded Links Page
> > > > http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jake" wrote in message
> > > > news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Good Afternoon All...
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text
> across
> > > the
> > > > > bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H.
Doe,
> > > > S-9999".
> > > > >
> > > > > I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements
written
> > and
> > > > > prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by
surveyors.
> Is
> > > > this
> > > > > appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor on
> > > > property
> > > > > surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't apply
> to
> > > the
> > > > > type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to
the
> > > > > "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this
make
> > > sense?
> > > > >
> > > > > JL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

No offense taken. I just get really IRRIGATED when people think a license is
an automatic stamp of excellence. It's unfortunate but it's also a reality
we've come to live with. And don't even get me started with the whole MCSE
load of (edited)!!!

later,
Jake


"Randy" wrote in message
news:0F6DCB136C1A1EE86BFFE4DE5DA17FD1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I apologize if I offended you. Yes, with a college degree and 4 years
field
> work you can sit for the LS. Without a degree it's either 8 or 12 years
> field work. I can't remember exactly. Yes, what you say is true. Just
> because you passed a test doesn't mean you know what you are doing, take
> most MCSE's for example. Most don't even know DOS.
> "Jake" wrote in message
> news:F481C7CB0B233AD8DC9A768464BD614A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > It becomes my problem when one out of nine surveyors wants to use this
> > phrase and he just decides to modify our titleblocks!
> >
> > I never said I wouldn't place his notes on his map. In fact, I agree he
> can
> > do whatever he wants when he's sealing the document. The other surveyors
> > (including Principal & Associate Surveyors) have said not to make this
> > standard language and as a result, we are not modifying our titleblocks
> for
> > one surveyor.
> >
> > By the way, Randy, have you looked into how much experience is necessary
> to
> > become a Registered Land Surveyor? I know guys with 25+ years of
> experience
> > but no license (for whatever reason) that are MUCH better surveyors than
a
> > guy with a license, minimal experience and willing to stamp anything!
Just
> > because you have a license does not mean you're good or have real,
> practical
> > experience, it just means you passed a test and worked long enough to
get
> > the minimum experience as required by law. I'm not intending to pi$$ off
> any
> > REAL surveyors so I apologize if I have. I'm sure you too know people
that
> > fit my description.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Randy" wrote in message
> > news:E2C8CAB971FD12507D5E815E27580700@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > My advice to you is to just let him do it. What difference does it
make
> to
> > > you? He obviously has more experience then you since he is an LS and
you
> > > don't even know what that is. His seal is on it, therefore it is his
> > > responsibility for it's content, not yours.
> > > "Jake" wrote in message
> > > news:90D31542A318C707184CAFCE4E0ABD1A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a
surveyor.
> > In
> > > > addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a
> > > Professioanl
> > > > Engineer seals plans.
> > > >
> > > > One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings.
> We're
> > > not
> > > > sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night before
> or
> > > what
> > > > but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note
> doesn't
> > > > apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't
know
> > what
> > > > they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by the
> > > attorney
> > > > preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I,
> > > personally,
> > > > have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and
> legal
> > > > descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen
add
> > this
> > > > to his maps.
> > > >
> > > > JL
> > > >
> > > > "Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
> > > > news:E89A83E9DBD0CB5519C0CA82C33A38CA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with
> > > > information
> > > > > he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
> > > > > Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or incomplete
> > > > > information is provided?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dean Saadallah
> > > > > http://www.pendean.com
> > > > > Expanded Links Page
> > > > > http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jake" wrote in message
> > > > > news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > Good Afternoon All...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text
> > across
> > > > the
> > > > > > bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H.
> Doe,
> > > > > S-9999".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements
> written
> > > and
> > > > > > prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by
> surveyors.
> > Is
> > > > > this
> > > > > > appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered Surveyor
on
> > > > > property
> > > > > > surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't
apply
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply to
> the
> > > > > > "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this
> make
> > > > sense?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

ummm ive been drawing little m&m guys in all of my title blocks ( i like
the red guy)....cant see them when the drawing is printed but if you zoom in
you know there there dancin around or swimming in a pool...(edited) if i do a
floor plan you might find them in your bed!......i wonder since i stamp my
drawings with m&m's does that mean is "stamped with excellence??"...umm in
college i used to put a little waldo stamp on my drawings!


Jake wrote in message
news:11CD0B4CE011A6293E0E2219E8A553C0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> No offense taken. I just get really IRRIGATED when people think a license
is
> an automatic stamp of excellence. It's unfortunate but it's also a reality
> we've come to live with. And don't even get me started with the whole MCSE
> load of (edited)!!!
>
> later,
> Jake
>
>
> "Randy" wrote in message
> news:0F6DCB136C1A1EE86BFFE4DE5DA17FD1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I apologize if I offended you. Yes, with a college degree and 4 years
> field
> > work you can sit for the LS. Without a degree it's either 8 or 12 years
> > field work. I can't remember exactly. Yes, what you say is true. Just
> > because you passed a test doesn't mean you know what you are doing, take
> > most MCSE's for example. Most don't even know DOS.
> > "Jake" wrote in message
> > news:F481C7CB0B233AD8DC9A768464BD614A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > It becomes my problem when one out of nine surveyors wants to use this
> > > phrase and he just decides to modify our titleblocks!
> > >
> > > I never said I wouldn't place his notes on his map. In fact, I agree
he
> > can
> > > do whatever he wants when he's sealing the document. The other
surveyors
> > > (including Principal & Associate Surveyors) have said not to make this
> > > standard language and as a result, we are not modifying our
titleblocks
> > for
> > > one surveyor.
> > >
> > > By the way, Randy, have you looked into how much experience is
necessary
> > to
> > > become a Registered Land Surveyor? I know guys with 25+ years of
> > experience
> > > but no license (for whatever reason) that are MUCH better surveyors
than
> a
> > > guy with a license, minimal experience and willing to stamp anything!
> Just
> > > because you have a license does not mean you're good or have real,
> > practical
> > > experience, it just means you passed a test and worked long enough to
> get
> > > the minimum experience as required by law. I'm not intending to pi$$
off
> > any
> > > REAL surveyors so I apologize if I have. I'm sure you too know people
> that
> > > fit my description.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Randy" wrote in message
> > > news:E2C8CAB971FD12507D5E815E27580700@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > My advice to you is to just let him do it. What difference does it
> make
> > to
> > > > you? He obviously has more experience then you since he is an LS and
> you
> > > > don't even know what that is. His seal is on it, therefore it is his
> > > > responsibility for it's content, not yours.
> > > > "Jake" wrote in message
> > > > news:90D31542A318C707184CAFCE4E0ABD1A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > We work for the same company; I run the CAD group and he's a
> surveyor.
> > > In
> > > > > addition to this note, he signs and seals the maps just like a
> > > > Professioanl
> > > > > Engineer seals plans.
> > > > >
> > > > > One day, this note just started showing up on the survey drawings.
> > We're
> > > > not
> > > > > sure if he watch a special on the DISCOVERY channel the night
before
> > or
> > > > what
> > > > > but anyway, other surveyors in the firm have told him this note
> > doesn't
> > > > > apply to the work he does but , of course, those surveyors don't
> know
> > > what
> > > > > they are talking about. I've been told this language is used by
the
> > > > attorney
> > > > > preparing the deed / legal description and not the surveyor. I,
> > > > personally,
> > > > > have been drawing, checking, plotting and researching surveys and
> > legal
> > > > > descriptions for 15 years and he is the ONLY surveyor I have seen
> add
> > > this
> > > > > to his maps.
> > > > >
> > > > > JL
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
> > > > > news:E89A83E9DBD0CB5519C0CA82C33A38CA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > Is he working for you as a drafter, or is he providing you with
> > > > > information
> > > > > > he collected, created and has drawn for you as a service?
> > > > > > Who owns the survey, and who is liable if inaccurate or
incomplete
> > > > > > information is provided?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Dean Saadallah
> > > > > > http://www.pendean.com
> > > > > > Expanded Links Page
> > > > > > http://www.pendean.com/lt/links.htm
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Jake" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3227332C63DE71C7C3C20157DB6BE810@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > > Good Afternoon All...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a surveyor that insists all of his surveys include text
> > > across
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > bottom the page that reads "This instrument drafted by John H.
> > Doe,
> > > > > > S-9999".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've seen this language in legal descriptions and easements
> > written
> > > > and
> > > > > > > prepared by ATTORNEYS but not maps / surveys prepared by
> > surveyors.
> > > Is
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > appropriate language for use by a Wisconsin Registered
Surveyor
> on
> > > > > > property
> > > > > > > surveys? It was my understanding this phrases really doesn't
> apply
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > type of work a surveyor woud do and definitely doesn't apply
to
> > the
> > > > > > > "drafting" done with CAD. Does anyone agree with me? Does this
> > make
> > > > > sense?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[jholt]

Hands down, you win the cool award today! M&Ms, whodathoughtit? And so small. No ink to speak of, can't see it, but it's there. Gottaloveit!

[Anonymous]

Don't let Hershey find out, you just might get
sued.

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"Jholt" <
href="mailto:jholt@hordarchitects.com">jholt@hordarchitects.com> wrote
in message
href="news:f0e8638.10@WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:f0e8638.10@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

Hands
down, you win the cool award today! M&Ms, whodathoughtit? And so small. No
ink to speak of, can't see it, but it's there.
Gottaloveit!

[Anonymous]

cant sue what they cant see..they would have to
find the m&Ms first :P~

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Randy <
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Don't let Hershey find out, you just might get
sued.

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"Jholt" <
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wrote in message
href="news:f0e8638.10@WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:f0e8638.10@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

Hands
down, you win the cool award today! M&Ms, whodathoughtit? And so small.
No ink to speak of, can't see it, but it's there.
Gottaloveit!