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*Matt Stachoni
Message 11 of 83 (1,921 Views)

Re: I hate Revit

03-27-2010 07:32 AM in reply to: sbsaint
I have news for you. Migrating to BIM isn't easy. It isn't fast. It isn't devoid
of problems and changes in thinking. Anyone who sold you that bill of goods did
not do you a service. But most of us who made the jump wouldn't go back for
anything.

And you will find other apps to be about the same level in terms of frustration.
With all of these BIM authoring tools, you have a learning curve to understand
what it wants and how it works. Like it or not, you need to fit your workflow to
mold around it, not the other way around as with traditional CAD applications.

To do otherwise is analogous to a carpenter trying to use a hammer as a
screwdriver. You can do it, but not without a lot of pain, sparks, and hurt
fingers.

The great thing about Revit is, if you have a preferred modeling tool such as
Solidworks, Rhino, Inventor, 3ds Max, etc, you can usually import that 3D
information and use it within the Revit framework of Families and Conceptual
Massing.

Personally, I think Revit's a blast to use. AutoCAD is still there for what I
may need it for, but that is usually relegated to working with profiles,
manufacturer's content, or when interfacing between the two on a project.

And I think Autodesk hit one out of the park with 2011, in terms of usability.
Some stuff that's missing is still dumb (No tagging of rooms in linked
models...wha?), but I very much appreciate how much they have overhauled and
improved the user interface from 2009.

Matt
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sbsaint
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Message 12 of 83 (1,921 Views)

Re: I hate Revit

03-28-2010 03:29 PM in reply to: sbsaint
i understand this, however its been 6 months, and I still feel frustrated about the modeling aspect of the program, knowing that what had become common practices with other programs dont apply to Revit. The other thing I dont understand is if I need to import my 3D model into Revit, from another program, what does that say about Revits modeling UI? What justifies the $5k price tag?

I really think that Revit was an application designed to transform an entire generation of "Flatlanders" into the the 3D realm while making it not so intimidating by keeping it semi-familiar to a 2D drafting program. For someone like me. My job requires all stages of design and construction, however, the initial concept images are VERY important to my firm. They will dictate weather or not we have a project or not, regardless if the model changes throughout the DD phase all the way to construction. With this said. Revit is horrible for comming up with concepts because you spend too much time worrying about its over complicated interface, rules, and construction properties to concentrate on design. I can compare it to sketching with ink and mylar.

I think Revit is a poor solution to a great idea.
*Dennis Jeffrey
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Re: I hate Revit

03-28-2010 03:33 PM in reply to: sbsaint
I do not see anything in your posts where you have had formal training.
That just might be your issue.
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Message 14 of 83 (1,921 Views)

Re: I hate Revit

03-28-2010 06:13 PM in reply to: sbsaint
Dennis,

I agree with you, absolutely. That was my first impression, too.

Alfredo Medina
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*Matt Stachoni
Message 15 of 83 (1,921 Views)

Re: I hate Revit

03-28-2010 06:30 PM in reply to: sbsaint
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:29:41 -0700, sbsaint <> wrote:

>Revit is horrible for comming up with concepts because you spend too much time worrying about its over complicated interface, rules, and construction properties to concentrate on design. I can compare it to sketching with ink and mylar.

I dunno, I've seen some real stunning examples of Revit's modeling capabilities
in SD phases, that means that SOMEONE was able to stretch the program to some
seriously cool limits.

But if easy 3D conceptual modeling is your focus, then use tools which are more
to your taste. Like SketchUP or Rhino.

Then use Revit to advance those models into the BIM process.

Matt
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sbsaint
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Message 16 of 83 (1,919 Views)

Re: I hate Revit

03-28-2010 06:44 PM in reply to: sbsaint
No I havent had any Revit training as we live on an island in the south pacific. Although you would think that 15years of doing architecture and 3D my experience would amount to something in Revit, instead it amounts to frustration and me constantly asking myself "now why did they decide to do it that way?" $5k peice of software then you need to spend more money to get training. I can tell you with the amount of share ware developers in the world these days giving thier software away for free, overpriced high learning curved platforms like Revit should have alot more brains put into the software and alot less demands of the the users.


I know when I start my own firm, Revit will not be a part of it.
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sbsaint
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Message 17 of 83 (1,919 Views)

Re: I hate Revit

03-28-2010 06:44 PM in reply to: sbsaint
No I havent had any Revit training as we live on an island in the south pacific. I have only been through the tutorial a dozen time which is poorly written i might add. (should I be surprised? it instructs you to find menus as if you already knew where they all are) Although you would think that 15years of doing architecture and 3D my experience would amount to something in Revit, instead it amounts to frustration and me constantly asking myself "now why did they decide to do it that way?" $5k peice of software then you need to spend more money to get training. I can tell you with the amount of share ware developers in the world these days giving thier software away for free, overpriced high learning curved platforms like Revit should have alot more brains put into the software and alot less demands of the the users.


I know when I start my own firm, Revit will not be a part of it. Edited by: sbsaint on Mar 29, 2010 1:59 AM
*Dennis Jeffrey
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Re: I hate Revit

03-28-2010 08:38 PM in reply to: sbsaint
I hate the interface in Alias Studio and Rhino myself, but of course I
have not had training in those... However, virtually every car built
in the world has a body designed in Alias.

It's not the software's fault.
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Message 19 of 83 (1,919 Views)

Re: I hate Revit

03-29-2010 07:25 AM in reply to: sbsaint
that says alot about your company, if it doesnt understand how to make something it just buys out the guys that do.
*Dave Jones
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Re: I hate Revit

03-29-2010 07:41 AM in reply to: sbsaint
On 3/28/2010 6:44 PM, sbsaint wrote:
> No I havent had any Revit training as we live on an island in the south pacific.

that's not a valid excuse these days. The fact that you are here
precludes you from using your isolation as an excuse for not have formal
training in Revit. IMO of course
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