CAD Managers

[#1]

> {quote:title=sbsaint wrote:}{quote}
> I came here hoping someone would help me out with Revit,
No you didn't, read your first post. You didn't ask a single question about how to do something, you just kicked off a whine session. You didn't want help, you wanted to whine, and became disappointed when nobody shared your whine.

> {quote:title=sbsaint wrote:}{quote}
> I guess 5k doesnt buy you that much from this company.
I've gotten quite a lot for my money, and we've spent a LOT more than $5k with Autodesk.

> {quote:title=sbsaint wrote:}{quote}
> It doesnt think for you, it makes you do all the thinking.
Well there you are, right there.

[#2]

Well said.

sbsaint wrote:
> It doesnt think for you, it makes you do all the thinking.
Well, if we were to buy something that could think for us, 5k would be a bargain!
That is absolutely an invalid argument against Revit.

[#3]

Autodesk did not make Revit. They bought it from another company.

Paul

wrote in message
news:6364635@discussion.autodesk.com...
Re: "It seems like Autodesk didnt pay attention to any of that when they
made Revit."

Programmers from Pro-Engineer created Revit, not Autodesk, and that, along
with the totally different paradigm between Revit and AutoCAD perhaps
contributed to the interface issue. I agree that the UI is cumbersome in
Revit and has been somewhat unfriendly from the very beginning.

It is surprising that Revit has made use of right-click context-sensitive
pop-up menus so ubiquitous in AutoCAD. It would make the transition between
the two programs easier. Even with Revit version 3, I was always forgetting
to look up at the menu bar to see what my options were for the particular
command invoked. The use of the ribbon, in both AutoCAD and Revit
(something required by Autodesk's association with Microsoft ?) makes it
even harder to get used to.

Comparing Revit to other 3D modeling programs may not be a fair comparison
since Revit set out to not only model but to produce traditional 2d
documents from the model and provide information for downstream use. 3ds,
Rhino, Sketchup and FormZ don't do that and if they attempted to, it's
possible their interface would have to change due the added complexity.
While I haven't used software for product design and manufacturing such as
Solidworks and Inventor, how would you compare those modeling interfaces
with Revit?

In my small architecture world, working as I do for a company that creates
prototype buildings meant to be built over and over again with small
modifications, and that has a desire to track materials costs and maintain
the buildings, revit makes sense. The interface may be something we just
have to "get over" while we push for improvements.

[#4]

We dont live in grass huts, this is such a stereotypical comment. Next you will be sayin that we wear grass skirts and dance around a fire. Would it be fair to say that you drive an SUV with only one person in the vehicle stuck in traffic with all the rest of the one passenger SUVs and that the extent of your travels is Las Vegas and Hawaii?

[#5]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:36:33 -0700, sbsaint <> wrote:

>We dont live in grass huts, this is such a stereotypical comment.

Apologies all around, then.

>Next you will be sayin that we wear grass skirts and dance around a fire.

Well, if I lived there, I sure as heck would.

> Would it be fair to say that you drive an SUV with only one person in the vehicle stuck in traffic with all the rest of the one passenger SUVs and that the extent of your travels is Las Vegas and Hawaii?

Um, actually, yeah. Sorry.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com

[#6]

OK - that made my day. :-)

"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:6365962@discussion.autodesk.com...
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:36:33 -0700, sbsaint <> wrote:
>
>>We dont live in grass huts, this is such a stereotypical comment.
>
> Apologies all around, then.
>
>>Next you will be sayin that we wear grass skirts and dance around a fire.
>
> Well, if I lived there, I sure as heck would.
>
>> Would it be fair to say that you drive an SUV with only one person in the
>> vehicle stuck in traffic with all the rest of the one passenger SUVs and
>> that the extent of your travels is Las Vegas and Hawaii?
>
> Um, actually, yeah. Sorry.
>
> Matt
> matt@stachoni.com

[#7]

There are several other BIM softwares including AutoCAD Architecture and AutoCAD MEP. I would put Revit solidly in the DIM camp (Design Intent Modeling). If you make any model truely a BIM model first it would have to be an as built and since it very rarely happens that the model makes it all the way through construction and into as builts... I don't know why we talk about BIM as anything but a future goal.

[#8]

That's a good point. But I think the industry would have to come up with a more sell-able term than DIM.

[#9]

I bought books by Paul Aubin in the past. I was EXTREMELY please w/ his book on Mastering AutoCAD Architecture 2007. Very detailed in what the software could do and where things were. Bought his Mastering Revit Architecture 2009 and was EXTREMELY disappointed. Felt like it only covered general stuff and didn't get into the nuts and bolts of what the software could do.

is the Revit Architecture 2010 better?

[#10]

I have to disagree with you in that BIM is only a future goal. There are
currently organizations requiring that a model be provided to them at the
end of the project in an as-built form. As of July 2009, Wisconsin requires
that BIM be used on most state projects and that a final model be provided
to them. They allow a few different BIM software packages, but AutoCAD
Architecture and AutoCAD MEP are not in the allowable list.
http://aectechtalk.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/29/#more-29

Texas now requires that state projects use BIM technology and only allows
the Revit line of products. They also require a final model be provided to
them at the end of the project.
http://aectechtalk.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/state-of-texas-has-published-bim-standards-for-projects/

There are other organizations and universities requiring BIM files at the
end of the project, but I won't go into those. The point is that it is
becoming more common than many people realize and is here now.

Another thing to keep in mind with BIM is that there is an AIA contract
document named E202 which controls how BIM is used on a project. It
dictates the model standards, transfer of files, what the files can be used
for at different stages of the project, how much detail goes into the model
at different stages, and who is responsible for putting the detail into the
model. This document is very important and is showing up more and more on
BIM projects. If this contract document is used on a project, you can
pretty much guarantee that the BIM file will be turned over to the client in
the end.
http://aectechtalk.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/financial-ramifications-of-bim-projects-and-the-aia-e202-document/

With that said, there are still many clients that won't require it and will
likely never require BIM. There is also the argument that good software
resources may not be currently available to take advantage of the BIM file
or that the owner has the capability of doing anything with the file.

(The links above are to my blog articles where I have written about the
specific topics mentioned.)

Doug
www.dougbowersconsulting.com
blog: http://aectechtalk.wordpress.com



"cparvez" wrote in message news:6368585@discussion.autodesk.com...
There are several other BIM softwares including AutoCAD Architecture and
AutoCAD MEP. I would put Revit solidly in the DIM camp (Design Intent
Modeling). If you make any model truely a BIM model first it would have to
be an as built and since it very rarely happens that the model makes it all
the way through construction and into as builts... I don't know why we talk
about BIM as anything but a future goal.