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2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

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Anonymous
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2D Autocad vs AutoCAD 2007

After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
who cares.
If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on the
2D
features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
bloatware.
My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
Autodesk
is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
will use any of the 3D
features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
anyways.

I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less money
and better features!

Am I alone in this opinion?

--
Dave
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Message 2 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Intellicad?


After *David Allen* sat on the keyboard
the following *words* showed up here:
> After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have
> to say who cares.
> If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
> But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
> I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
> and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate
> on the 2D
> features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the
> current bloatware.
> My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
> Autodesk
> is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my
> company will use any of the 3D
> features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
> anyways.
>
> I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
> We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less
> money and better features!
>
> Am I alone in this opinion?
Message 3 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

That's one reason they have LT. If all you do is draw lines all day then why
waste the money?
Message 4 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Ever heard of LT?

--
Craig
_______________
Dreamers don't have strategic grill locations...


"David Allen" wrote in message
news:5108310@discussion.autodesk.com...
After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
who cares.
If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on the
2D
features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
bloatware.
My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
Autodesk
is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
will use any of the 3D
features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
anyways.

I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less money
and better features!

Am I alone in this opinion?

--
Dave
Message 5 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I think it would be a nice fit between LT and Full AutoCAD, to have
another product called AutoCAD 2D.

Some folks that use LT ($900) need something more, some using AutoCAD
($3400) in 2D only need something less: AutoCAD 2D ($2250) would be
nice niche to fill.

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--
Message 6 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Dean Saadallah said the following on 3/10/2006 9:42 PM:
> I think it would be a nice fit between LT and Full AutoCAD, to have
> another product called AutoCAD 2D.
>
> Some folks that use LT ($900) need something more, some using AutoCAD
> ($3400) in 2D only need something less: AutoCAD 2D ($2250) would be
> nice niche to fill.
>

It wouldn't even have to be Autodesk. A registered developer could
license AutoCAD OEM to create a "stripped down" version of full blown
AutoCAD. The trick would be to come up with a product that is unique
enough so that Autodesk would grant the OEM license. They don't want
another product stealing AutoCAD sales....


--
R.K. McSwain
http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com
Message 7 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Look into AutoCAD LT. None of the 3D, just 2D.

Though I got to say, 2007 is a good improvment over 2004, 2005 and 2006
in 2D ability (we use 3D about 5% of the time).

You should be happy with 2007 LT (all the "bloatware" as you put it.. 3D
,lisp, vba, ET.. all gone just a basic 2D program). You just need to LOOK.
Message 8 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

AutoCAD is 2D until you issue a 3D command or open a drawing that was done
in 3D. Then you see a message that it's loading the Modeler arx files and
it switches into 3D mode. The last release gave the 2D users dynamic blocks
and such so this release looks to concentrate on the 3D users.

What they've really been missing is an AutoCAD LT that includes the lisp and
customization. and for the life of me I can't
understand why Autodesk doesn't sell say a $500 Customization Add-On that
unlocks the programming access to LT. There's a huge market their that they
are missing.

As an ADN Developer I hate it because it locks us out of half of their user
base not being able to drive AutoCAD LT. They want us to buy into their
Real DWG which is probably going to add 50 MB to our programs download when
in reality I would pay twice that just to be able to drive the users
existing LT.

They think that they are going to loose full AutoCAD sales but in reality
they are going to loose then anyways. One of the main reasons I hear that
people are evaluating the clones is the lack of a customization and
programming interface in LT. I've looked at many of the clones and nothing
still compares to AutoCAD LT but they are cheaper and include customization.
They have some nice features and are good programs but chances are you are
going to waste any savings learning how to use it. If you're hiring someone
new chances are they know AutoCAD, not the clone. So again the one day
learning the clone wastes any savings on the software.

There's plenty of 3D design that can be far more efficient if it's done in
AutoCAD than Inventor or Solidworks. These are parametric design programs
and work best if you can create equations that relate every part to every
other part. In the real world that doesn't always fly. The comapany I
worked for out of college made vibratory conveyors. One would think that it
would be a perfect fit for parametric design and they got sold SDRC Ideas.
$50,000 worth of an HP Unix Workstation and software sat in front of me and
I could run circles around it with AutoCAD 2000 and some custom programming
I did. When I looked at the hoods for the conveyors I think it was 128 plus
models we would have to create because of the different styles and options.
I handled them with one lisp program and could create the 3D model, 2D
drawing, and BOM faster then we could check out the base model in the SDRC
Ideas.



--
Rodney McManamy
President
CADzation
-------------------------
rmcmanamy@cadzation.com
-------------------------
518 South Route 31 Suite 200
McHenry, IL 60050
http://www.cadzation.com
Providing Industrial Strength
PDF & DWF Solutions to the
Global CAD Marketplace.

"David Allen" wrote in message
news:5108310@discussion.autodesk.com...
After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
who cares.
If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on the
2D
features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
bloatware.
My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
Autodesk
is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
will use any of the 3D
features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
anyways.

I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less money
and better features!

Am I alone in this opinion?

--
Dave Message was edited by: Discussion Admin
Message 9 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

AutoCAD OEM has always been an intriguing offering from Autodesk: one
of those you-can-but-you-can't developer offerings. Very confusing.

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--
Message 10 of 101
Luis Esquivel
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi David;

If you have a chance visit the site of Henrik Vallgren.

Here:
http://www.streamspace.com

Regards.
Luis
http://www.geometricad.com
Message 11 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

David Allen wrote:

> I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
> We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less money
> and better features!

I take it you've never heard of AutoCAD LT?


--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com
Message 12 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

no lisp

--
Dave

"Jason Rhymes" wrote in message
news:5108343@discussion.autodesk.com...
That's one reason they have LT. If all you do is draw lines all day then why
waste the money?
Message 13 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

no lisp

--
Dave

"Craig Black" wrote in message
news:5108368@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ever heard of LT?

--
Craig
_______________
Dreamers don't have strategic grill locations...


"David Allen" wrote in message
news:5108310@discussion.autodesk.com...
After reviewing all the great new 3D features of 2007 I really have to say
who cares.
If I want to do 3D design I'm going to use inventor or revit.
But really I'm thinking how can we get a 2D only AutoCAD?
I wish some company would come out with a 2D only clone of AutoCAD
and sell it for less. Hey autodesk could do it and just concentrate on the
2D
features. I'm sure a 2D only AutoCAD would run faster then the current
bloatware.
My company pays alot of money each year to Autodesk and for that money
Autodesk
is giving us 3D features that we will never use. Maybe 1% of my company
will use any of the 3D
features of AutoCAD. That 1% probably would be better off using Revit
anyways.

I want a 2D only AutoCAD.
We already have 3D CAD software, how about a 2D CAD software for less money
and better features!

Am I alone in this opinion?

--
Dave
Message 14 of 101
jorgeledezma
in reply to: Anonymous

LT?
Message 15 of 101
GROSSMOE
in reply to: Anonymous

Who cares....I do!!!! Since R13 we've been using 3D extensively with in the company. I'm very happy to hear about these new features. Our 3D work is over 85% of what we do. I've looked into moving over to Revit and Inventor but have found that for our use it is cost prohibitive. We've developed quite a library for pipe, valves, fittings, instrumentation, steel and electrical components.
Message 16 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Ah, if we all were in the pipe/valve/fittings business... .

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--
Message 17 of 101
GROSSMOE
in reply to: Anonymous

We also use 3D to model out own manufactured equipment and those we purchase from others. From tanks to complicated mechanical units (chain, sprockets, etc.).
The features we are excited most about are the rendering and walk through/flyby animations.
Message 18 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

he has, what LT doesn't have is lisp



I take it you've never heard of AutoCAD LT?


--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com
Message 19 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

hector@work wrote:
> he has, what LT doesn't have is lisp


Well, yeah, but he didn't mention the need of LISP. I put that under
some of the "bloatware" that he was wanting to get rid of. It's also
missing Sheet Set Manager, but he didn't mention needing that. If he
wants everything BUT 3D, then he should just purchase AutoCAD and not
use 3D...


--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com
Message 20 of 101
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

will OEM work with LiSP?
Say I want to purchase 50 seats of the OEM license
How much would that cost compared to regular seats?

--
Dave

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
news:5108377@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dean Saadallah said the following on 3/10/2006 9:42 PM:
> I think it would be a nice fit between LT and Full AutoCAD, to have
> another product called AutoCAD 2D.
>
> Some folks that use LT ($900) need something more, some using AutoCAD
> ($3400) in 2D only need something less: AutoCAD 2D ($2250) would be
> nice niche to fill.
>

It wouldn't even have to be Autodesk. A registered developer could
license AutoCAD OEM to create a "stripped down" version of full blown
AutoCAD. The trick would be to come up with a product that is unique
enough so that Autodesk would grant the OEM license. They don't want
another product stealing AutoCAD sales....


--
R.K. McSwain
http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com

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