Buzzsaw Cost Structure

[Anonymous]

I am very interested in getting pricing information for use of Buzzsaw. We
are pursuing a large project, and would like to present some costs for using
Buzzsaw. I contacted Sales via phone and got an answering machine and left
a message. I also sent an email to sales. I have not heard back from
either. I see conflicting postings here on this newsgroup regarding prices
(RE: Changes in Site Pricing dated 10-11-01).
Could someone please tell me all the costs involved for useage of Buzzsaw
and it's components. THANKS!!

[Anonymous]

I think the sales team doesn't put pricing info on the site or in
newsgroups. They probably fear that seeing it in writing would scare people.
They'd rather have them on the phone where they can calm people down after
quoting them prices.:-) I will forward your message to the sales guys.

"Harvie" wrote in message
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> I am very interested in getting pricing information for use of Buzzsaw.
We
> are pursuing a large project, and would like to present some costs for
using
> Buzzsaw. I contacted Sales via phone and got an answering machine and
left
> a message. I also sent an email to sales. I have not heard back from
> either. I see conflicting postings here on this newsgroup regarding
prices
> (RE: Changes in Site Pricing dated 10-11-01).
> Could someone please tell me all the costs involved for useage of Buzzsaw
> and it's components. THANKS!!
>
>

[ecotera]

I have exactly the same problem. I left a message, sent e-mail and nothing !!!. People,can somebody give me a ballpark amount ?? Are we talking thousands of dollars ???

[Anonymous]

A Pro-10 subscription, which is enough space and
services to accommodate 10 projects, is $500 a month or $5400 a year if you
prepay. I know this sounds like a lot. If you knew how much Exodus charges us
for hosting, 24 hour monitoring, electricity, you'd see that we're not sitting
over here getting rich, rich rich. Our EMC storage unit (that keeps redundant
copies of your data to ensure nothing gets lost) cost us millions of dollars.
The hardware and up time requirements make it an expensive
operation.

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I
have exactly the same problem. I left a message, sent e-mail and nothing !!!.
People,can somebody give me a ballpark amount ?? Are we talking thousands of
dollars ???

[JMoore]

Scott, I have been following teh evolution of collaboration quite closely for some time now. Unfortunately, due to the dot.com "bombs" and other economic factors I think the cost structure you mention above is way out of the league of most markets. Buzzsaw/Project Point has been market (to my understanding) to all users in the AEC industry. Large commercial firms can more readily justify these collaboratoin cost due to longer timelines and larger budgets, so in my opinion this market is where the real potential for you guys lies. However, there are thousands of users, esp. in the residential and light comm. construction industry that $500 a month for only 10 projects is way beyond their means of justification. Much shorter timelines and less dollars I believe work against moving this sector of the industry to collaborative opportunities. Everybody knows what it costs to operate such a business but it doesn't necessarily mean that market will pay for it? Would I be correct to assume that your target market are large commercial firms and HOK's, etc.?

[Anonymous]

You are correct in that large firms are the target.
I am not the marketing sales guy, so I can only offer my opinion. I can tell you
that at first we tried letting people have 25 meg sites for free to gain wide
acceptance. Whereas this did get us over 30,000 sites, when it came time for
these sites to sign up for additional services where they had to pay, that did
not pan out. Trying to make money via electronic commerce, catalogs, or Orange
Page listings also did not fare well. What we found is that large firms see the
value in the ProjectPoint. I can tell you that the pricing is heavily influenced
by our costs.

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Scott,
I have been following teh evolution of collaboration quite closely for some
time now. Unfortunately, due to the dot.com "bombs" and other economic factors
I think the cost structure you mention above is way out of the league of most
markets. Buzzsaw/Project Point has been market (to my understanding) to all
users in the AEC industry. Large commercial firms can more readily justify
these collaboratoin cost due to longer timelines and larger budgets, so in my
opinion this market is where the real potential for you guys lies. However,
there are thousands of users, esp. in the residential and light comm.
construction industry that $500 a month for only 10 projects is way beyond
their means of justification. Much shorter timelines and less dollars I
believe work against moving this sector of the industry to collaborative
opportunities. Everybody knows what it costs to operate such a business but it
doesn't necessarily mean that market will pay for it? Would I be correct to
assume that your target market are large commercial firms and HOK's,
etc.?

[JMoore]

I understand and that is what I was generally thinking. Internet collaboratoin is an excellent vehicle and one I think will greatly benefit the AEC industry as a whole. However, it will take time (like all things) to foster adoption. The opportunity and capability is there but the end user is still caught up in that adoption "chasm" and a large percentage of the potential market can't justify the higher costs. In time I believe more economies will be found or methods for reaching that market will develop or create themselves. Till then it is a survival game, make enough to keep the doors open until the market comes around or prices can come down. Thanks for the info. - J.

[Anonymous]

Exactly. Ordering groceries online is not
necessarily a bad thing. I can't think of getting CDs or DVDs any other way;
however, WebVan found out the hard way that the extra expense of keeping servers
up could not be offset by adding a few pennies to your food order. They would
have needed to charge $20 per order -- and people weren't willing to pay that.
Now if you ordered $500 worth of groceries, then $20 isn't so bad. But on a six
pack and a bag of Cheetos, $20 would be out of line.

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I
understand and that is what I was generally thinking. Internet collaboratoin
is an excellent vehicle and one I think will greatly benefit the AEC industry
as a whole. However, it will take time (like all things) to foster adoption.
The opportunity and capability is there but the end user is still caught up in
that adoption "chasm" and a large percentage of the potential market can't
justify the higher costs. In time I believe more economies will be found or
methods for reaching that market will develop or create themselves. Till then
it is a survival game, make enough to keep the doors open until the market
comes around or prices can come down. Thanks for the info. -
J.