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    mgaafar
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    Registered: ‎11-29-2011

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-01-2012 10:10 AM in reply to: pp2008

    Thanks for the clarification Pawel, but should the load be reversed when the Z-axis of the panel is reversed? even if it is not planer? or the program does not understand that?

    Also how to make sure that the panel is planer or how to fix that or check that?

    Thanks

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    Product Support
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    Registered: ‎06-23-2008

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-04-2012 01:33 AM in reply to: mgaafar

    After changing local Z of the panel the load will be reversed but for your original file the effect of opposite load direction with/without description will still be observed - because of no planarity of panel resulting in opposite Z for finite elements than for panel.

    The sensitivity to such small planarity inaccuracies was reported to developement team to be analyzed and eliminated.

     

    Planarity can be corrected:

    1/ or correcting to plane from  Edit>Detailed correctdetail_correct.png

    2/ or  extending the number of decimals and correcting coordinates of some points of contourcorrect.png

     

    Regards,



    Pawel Pulak
    Support Specialist
    Product Support
    Autodesk, Inc.

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    mgaafar
    Posts: 56
    Registered: ‎11-29-2011

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-04-2012 10:47 AM in reply to: pp2008

    Thanks for the clarification Pawel!!

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    tony.ridley
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    Registered: ‎09-07-2011

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-04-2012 06:55 PM in reply to: mgaafar
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    Product Support
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    Registered: ‎06-23-2008

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-05-2012 01:15 AM in reply to: tony.ridley

    Tony,

    kudos for adding this info :smileyhappy:

    Using "rounding add-in" of Rafal results in bigger "curving" of panel instead of "flattening" it but it helps too.

    The effect noticed by mgaafar can be observed for some range of panel unplanarity.

     

    Regards,



    Pawel Pulak
    Support Specialist
    Product Support
    Autodesk, Inc.

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    mgaafar
    Posts: 56
    Registered: ‎11-29-2011

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-05-2012 08:00 AM in reply to: pp2008

    Since almost no one works with warped panels, I think there should be an option that checks all panels if they are planer or not and then fix the warped ones automatically instead of checking and fixing panel by panel.

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    Contributor
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    Registered: ‎04-01-2009

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-05-2012 12:04 PM in reply to: mgaafar

    Hi Pawel,

     

    consider that I had this problem (you can see the first post) more than one time and apparently in a random manner applying hydrostatic load on curved shell.......sometimes is not possible to flatten a cylindrical tank!!!!

     

    Bye

    Roberto

     

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    Product Support
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    Registered: ‎06-23-2008

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-06-2012 01:45 AM in reply to: RobertoPALLADINO6546

    Hi Roberto,

    I agree that it should not be necessary to eliminate any planarity inaccuracies - especially that sometimes (slightly twisted roofs, intersections of cylinders, etc) they cannot be avoided.

    As I have mentioned in my previous answer:

    "The sensitivity to such small planarity inaccuracies was reported to developement team to be analyzed and eliminated."

     

    Regards,



    Pawel Pulak
    Support Specialist
    Product Support
    Autodesk, Inc.

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    Contributor
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    Registered: ‎04-01-2009

    Re: wrong load on panel

    06-06-2012 05:03 AM in reply to: mgaafar

    Ok Pawel, many thanks.......we will wait for this correction

     

    Bye

    Roberto

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