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    deflection limit for panels?

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    10-04-2012 12:42 AM

    Morning All,

     

    I have a few cantilever zones with high deflections, the worst offender is attached in screenshots below. Is there a setting to enable deflection limits on panels? Screenshot of "required reinforcement" is attached, however the deflection is unacceptably high for this low reinforcement density (refer to screenshots).

     

    If there is no deflection limit setting for panels, is there a way to specify higher reinforcement densities for specific panels to control deflection that way?

     

    Thanks,

    Scott

     

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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 12:45 AM in reply to: Opel5

    Are you looking for this?:

     

    defl.jpg



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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 12:51 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Morning Rafal :smileyhappy:

     

    Ah yes that exactly what I'm looking for, I guess the coffee hasn't woken me up yet! The only problem I can see there though is if I set a specific mm deflection limit this will also apply to slabs with huge spans as the same concrete property is used. If I allocate a specific concrete property for just this panel with the higher deflection restriction that will solve the problem but cause the warning message of "too small distance between reinforcement" cropping up that I was posting about yesterday.

     

    Is there a setting for panels to control deflection as a ratio of span?

    Thanks,

    Scott

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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 01:23 AM in reply to: Opel5

     Is there a setting for panels to control deflection as a ratio of span?

     

    No, absolute value only. It would be hard to detect which span direction to consider in such limit, esspecially is case of irregular panel geometry.

     



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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 01:29 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Ah ok no problem thanks Rafal, was worth checking.

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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 02:12 AM in reply to: Opel5

    Hi Rafal,

    I've added the deflection limited reinforcement property to 3 panels only. These 3 panels on analysis go beyond the deflection limitation instead of Robot adjusting reinforcement to control the panel within the specified deflection value. Is there somethign I'm doing wrong? It seems to be completely disregarding the deflection limit? See screenshots.

    Thanks

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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 02:14 AM in reply to: Opel5

    pc is apallingly slow and wouldnt keep up with the screenshot copy paste then, refer to this attachment instead please

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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 02:47 AM in reply to: Opel5

    I have also tried it with "reinforcement correction" switched on (see screenshot attached), it still doesnt control deflection.

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    Re: deflection limit for panels?

    10-04-2012 02:47 AM in reply to: Opel5

    Please check what is the value of deflection for static analysis of case 4. As far as I can see you specified the limit as 5 mm and looking at the map the panels they seem to form a cantilever. In such case you have to expect the cracked deflection (from reinforcement calculations) to be much larger that the elastic one (from static analysis). If your elastic deflection is already close to your deflection limit then I'm afraid you will not be able to reduce it by increasing reinforcement in the panels.



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