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    pevelor
    Posts: 87
    Registered: ‎12-12-2011
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    Structure verification

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    02-16-2012 12:03 AM

    Hi 

     

    I transferred a file from revit and ran structure verification without any errors or warnings.

    However, after meshing (haven't done anything else in between) I get an error which is "No material" and a warning which is " Incoherent mesh on edges".

     

    I tried re-mashing the panels without any luck.

     

    My questions are,

    - What is the reason for this error, since I didn't get it on the initial verification?

    - Is there any general rule for which settings should be used for meshing?

    - What is the procedure to fix errors and warnings?

     

    In addition, I've read the following post

    http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Robot-Structural/T-slab/m-p/3185418#M915

    which displays a discrepancy in regards to the getting started guide (offset definition pp109)

    Which is to prefer?

     

    Lastly, I've read a lot of threads regarding releases lately.

    As I understand, there should be some constraints at all support nodes. What is the release by default, and should these be changed or be keep the same?

     

    In advance, thanks a million.

     

    regards

    Peder

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    tony.ridley
    Posts: 476
    Registered: ‎09-07-2011

    Re: Structure verification

    02-16-2012 01:58 AM in reply to: pevelor

    Pevelor,

     

    Just run the analysis.  Then the error about no material will disappear if you do the verification again.  

     

    As far as meshing goes, the reason you get incoherent mesh is due to small (even tiny) variation in panel geometry (happens alot with revit export).  See the image attached for panel 55.  Its slightly off the line where the two panels on top meet.  So it's better to try and get the geometry correct first.

     

    wall 55.jpg

     

     

     

     Just choose some different mesh options until it looks like a nice clean mesh.  You have to balance density of mesh with accuracy of results and calculation time.  

     

    You'll probably find if you just run the analysis and then do another verification you will get a warning about incoherent mesh and kinematic constraints.  Try setting the mesh options in job preferences to iterative, rather than kinematic.  

     

    mesh parameters.jpg

     

    As far as chasing down and fixing errors, just go step at a time.  

    Support degrees of freedom are up to the engineer to choose based on anticipated real fixity conditions, no one can make that recommendation for you.  :smileyvery-happy:

     

     

    Good luck,

     

    Tony

     

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    Re: Structure verification

    02-16-2012 02:16 AM in reply to: pevelor

    I transferred a file from revit and ran structure verification without any errors or warnings.

    However, after meshing (haven't done anything else in between) I get an error which is "No material" and a warning which is " Incoherent mesh on edges".

     

    I tried re-mashing the panels without any luck.

     

    My questions are,

    - What is the reason for this error, since I didn't get it on the initial verification?

     

    Make settings like this:

     

    Turn off kinematic links, use Iterative adjustment 

     

    kinem.jpg

     

    (gryed out field settings also important ; element size  - up to you)

     

    mesh.JPG

     

    - What is the procedure to fix errors and warnings?

     

    After above changes ther is only one error in your model :

    move indicated point by drag and grop to new location - click on this point \ cross twice (not doubleclick) and drag it to new location

     

    err 41 44.jpg

     

    Corrected file attached.

     

    In addition, I've read the following post

    http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Robot-Structural/T-slab/m-p/3185418#M915

    which displays a discrepancy in regards to the getting started guide (offset definition pp109)

    Which is to prefer?

     

    Decision is yours.

     

    Lastly, I've read a lot of threads regarding releases lately.

    As I understand, there should be some constraints at all support nodes. What is the release by default, and should these be changed or be keep the same?

     


    As a default in robot all connections between elements are fixed.

    In Revit - it depends on seetings in Revit - usually all are pinned but in your model (at least in the robot model you sent all of them are fixed). So if you need releases on bars please assign them.



    Rafal Gaweda
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    pevelor
    Posts: 87
    Registered: ‎12-12-2011

    Re: Structure verification

    02-16-2012 03:53 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    awesome, worked perfectly

     

    Thanks again.

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    Valued Contributor
    Posts: 78
    Registered: ‎08-02-2012

    Re: Structure verification

    09-25-2012 06:20 AM in reply to: tony.ridley

    Afternoon All,

     

    I'm trying to track down an "incoherent mesh" error, however when selecting the error the offending panel is not highlighted. What display settings need to be selected to highlight it?I have switched off all "mark with colours" display options. Nothing is highlighted.

     

    Trying to track down this form of error when nothing is highlighted is like a needle in a haystack!

     

    Thanks in advance,

    Scott

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    tony.ridley
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    Registered: ‎09-07-2011

    Re: Structure verification

    09-25-2012 06:29 AM in reply to: Opel5

    It does not highlight the panel.  It highlights the nodes as a blue "line", and the FE's go red outline.

     

    Cheers,

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    Posts: 78
    Registered: ‎08-02-2012

    Re: Structure verification

    09-25-2012 07:00 AM in reply to: tony.ridley

    Hi Tony,

    Yep that's the problem I'm having, the FE's are not highlighting red so it's a complete guess as to which area of the building the error is trying to point to. I've tried tweaking the display settings but can't seem to find a combination which enables the highlight. Any advice is greatly appreaciated!

    Thanks,

    Scott

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    Re: Structure verification

    09-25-2012 07:22 AM in reply to: Opel5

    Movie: http://screencast.com/t/43zhRBem



    Rafal Gaweda
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