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    Load to mass conversion

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    10-04-2012 12:02 AM

    Dear Sir

     

    -  Which mass type (global mass & dynamic mass ) shall I use it for my model (concrete tower 21 floor )?

     

               

    Shall I activate the mass in three directions (X,Y,Z) or only (X,Y) Because my building height = 75m ?

     

     Thanks in advance

    Refaat

     

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    tony.ridley
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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 12:09 AM in reply to: refaat

    Most accurate is consistent I believe.  But we normally use lumped with rotations.

     

    If you disregard density there will be no mass participating in the modal analysis. Unless you add it back in via load to mass conversion. 

     

    I would NOT disregard density, and also add 30% live load (or whatever percentage) to the load to mass conversion.  Normally can ignore Z direction.  If you add mass to global or dynamic the mass will be added to all dynamic cases.  If you specify the modal case only, it will only be added to that case. 

     

     

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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 12:10 AM in reply to: refaat
    Refaat

     

    -  Which mass type (global mass & dynamic mass ) shall I use it for my model (concrete tower 21 floor )?

     

     http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Robot-Structural/Conversion-load-to-mass/m-p/3050232/highligh... - message 3



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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 02:28 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Dear Sir

    I got confused about base shear coeff. ( as i see in the attached capture 01) you got this coeff. (1.74) by dividing (automatic / inactive ). Did you mean that the inactive case is the static linear case ?? (because as we know that the base shear scale is the ratio (0.85Vstatic/Vdyanmic) . as I used it in the capture 02 ,is it true or not ?

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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 02:29 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Dear Sir

     

    Pls , give me more explanation (  3 Selecting Global mass - converted masses will be applied to all dynamic cases and also can be used in inertia   forces (of course if such forces are applied on model)

      In my case , I will use (global mass ) in my model is Keya ?

     

    Thanks

    Refaat

     

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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 03:32 AM in reply to: refaat

     

     

    Pls , give me more explanation (  3 Selecting Global mass - converted masses will be applied to all dynamic cases 

     

    Example:

     

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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 03:39 AM in reply to: refaat
    Refaat,

     

    I got confused about base shear coeff. ( as i see in the attached capture 01) you got this coeff. (1.74) by dividing (automatic / inactive ). Did you mean that the inactive case is the static linear case ??

     

    Inactive means that results come directly from seismic calculation without base shear.

     

     as I used it in the capture 02 ,is it true or not ?

     

    Yes, true.

    One more remark: do not use "Use normalized values" checkbox.

     



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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 04:23 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Dear Sir

     

    Do you mean that ( Dynamic = globle + modal ) ? , and i have to use dynamic

     

    Thanks

     

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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 04:35 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Dear Sir

     

    As appears in the attached capture

     

    As I understand (T= structure period ) and what  about (reduction coeff.)?

     

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    Re: Load to mass conversion

    10-04-2012 04:35 AM in reply to: refaat
    Do you mean that ( Dynamic = globle + modal ) ? , and i have to use dynamic

     

    Global means that converted masses will be considered in ALL dynamic cases in model (modal and footfall ones; other dynamic cases need to be run after modal case so they consider masses from precedent modal).

     

    My advise: use dynamic.



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