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    Load Cases / Envelope

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    04-09-2012 11:41 AM

    Hello!
    I created 4 wind load cases and 3 snow load cases. My problem is to create an envelope containing wind cases and another containing snow ones. Is it possible? By doing this I want to reduce the number of combinations generated my Automatic combinations module. My teacher recommended this, too.
    I read that robot cant create envelopes. Is it true?
    Thanks in advance.

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    40ushek
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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 12:41 AM in reply to: georgimonew

    the goal - reduce the number of combinations generated my automatic combinations module?

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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 05:40 AM in reply to: georgimonew

    I was told its theoretically right to make a envelope combination - the Eurocode 1 says that. And the goal of course is reducing the number of combinations. It's a simple steel frame I don't need 200 combinations.
    I've read the posts you told me but I see the only way is editing the load cases in excel? Grouping the combinations doesn't make a envelope of them, right?  Is there another way?
    And if you don't understand me, I want to make a envelope as SAP2000 do it - it has a load combination type - envelope.

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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 05:56 AM in reply to: georgimonew
    200 is very little. 1 000 000 combines is normal. I use for that special program (I author). I do it for myself.
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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 06:13 AM in reply to: georgimonew

     

    And if you don't understand me, I want to make a envelope as SAP2000 do it - it has a load combination type - envelope.


    I think we do not understand you. Also, at least me, do not know what is envelope case\ combination in SAP.

    Envelopes are generated automatically in Robot these ways:

     

    env1.jpg

     

    env2.jpg

     

    env3.jpg



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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 06:28 AM in reply to: georgimonew

    I want to create a envelope of 4 wind load cases and combine this envelope in ULS combinations, for example,
    G+Q+0.5*envelope (Wind1; Wind2; Wind3; Wind4).
    Thanks for the help. :smileyhappy:

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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 06:32 AM in reply to: georgimonew

    I want to create a envelope of 4 wind load cases and combine this envelope in ULS combinations, for example,
    G+Q+0.5*envelope (Wind1; Wind2; Wind3; Wind4).

    And the result of the above is ...?

    Tell me what you want to get. 

     

     

     



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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 06:44 AM in reply to: georgimonew

    Tihs is a combination. I want the maximum values of the internal forces. Instead of combining dead and live loads with 4 wind load cases to be just 1. I hope I gave the right answer.

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    Re: Load Cases / Envelope

    04-10-2012 07:16 AM in reply to: georgimonew

    Tihs is a combination. 


    Not possible.



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