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    Instability errors in model with no releases

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    10-08-2012 02:11 AM

    I have a model which was created by a colleague of mine and i've now taken over. It was giving instability errors, and i could not get rid of them so i went through and deleted all the releases but i was still getting instabilities.

     

    Is there any common reason that this might happen? If not would someone be able to have a look at the model and see if they can find any errors in it that might be causing this? I will upload it somewhere if so.

     

    thanks!

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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-08-2012 02:47 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk
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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-08-2012 08:33 AM in reply to: PaulGrimes2282

    IN short - too many or wrong releases in some (many) nodes.

    It will take me some  time to correct.



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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-09-2012 02:07 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Yes - i thought this might be the case. But when I removed all the releases I was still getting instability errors - is there some further underlying problem?

     

    file with no releases:

     

    https://www.yousendit.com/download/TEhYZm1kbThCMTd2WnRVag

     

     

     

    Thanks for looking into it.

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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-09-2012 02:28 AM in reply to: PaulGrimes2282

    Should I correct file with releases or not?



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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-09-2012 02:29 AM in reply to: PaulGrimes2282

     I was still getting instability errors - is there some further underlying problem?

     

     

    merge nodes 796 1402

     



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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-10-2012 01:53 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Model corrected http://wtrns.fr/oZNEZn3anfttNz - check diagrams etc.

    I have removed some releases, new releases added : PP  and Fixed Pinned no rx ; nodes merged.



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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-10-2012 08:47 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Hello, thanks for your help so far. However when I open your fixed model and run it – I get a warning that says ‘Matrix is not positive definite’. This suggests that the model is unstable? (see image below)

     

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    If I run the analysis with the DSC Algorithm turned on then I am still getting unstable nodes where they should be stable. (see image below)

     

    <error2.PNG>

     

    Is there any reason why this would be happening for me, but the model runs cleanly for you?

     

    Thanks!

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    Re: Instability errors in model with no releases

    10-10-2012 09:05 AM in reply to: PaulGrimes2282

    PaulGrimes2282 wrote:

    Hello, thanks for your help so far. However when I open your fixed model and run it – I get a warning that says ‘Matrix is not positive definite’. This suggests that the model is unstable? (see image below)

     

    Read the warning to the end ... check buckling.

     

    Critical coeffs below 1 for nonlinear selfweight - check "upper branches of trees"

     

    bucklingtrees.jpg

     



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