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    MohammadZaman
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    Conversion load to mass

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    06-07-2011 01:44 PM

    Hi dear

    why there is a difference between the modal mass and dynamic mass?

    And one more problem

    the Base shear coefficient that the robot 2011 is calculating is too big , about 2.5 in dynamic mass  or sometimes 0.55 in modal mass  but the real value is  about 0.35

    I have used ubc 97 for applying seismic load.

    V=c.w

    but v didn't calculate from multiply c.w from the value for c and w that the robot 2011 has calculated.

    Please help me

    thank you .

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    Romanich
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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-07-2011 10:37 PM in reply to: MohammadZaman

    I just looked file modal.pdf:

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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-07-2011 11:41 PM in reply to: MohammadZaman

    You can convert loads to masses in 3 ways.

    1 Seecting Modal case

    2 Selecting Dynamic mass - mass will be added to all dynamic cases

    3 Selecting Global mass - converted masses will be applied to all dynamic cases and also can be used in inertia forces (of course if such forces are applied on model)

     

    PLease check your loads to mass conversion as Romanich suggested. If it is not the case it could be good to upload the file for us to analyze



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    MohammadZaman
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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-08-2011 12:13 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Hi

    Thank you for your attention

    I have attached the file 

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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-08-2011 01:14 AM in reply to: MohammadZaman

    First of all I sugest to use only one self weight as a mass. There are two such masses in your model: one coming from Modal case definition ("Disregard Density" checkbox), another from Loads to Mass Conversion.

    Converted masses are not used for base shear scaling unless you convert them using  Global Mass or Dynamic Mass.

    After these modifications base shear coeff ~=1.75. I will check the codebook



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    MohammadZaman
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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-08-2011 02:20 AM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Thank you

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    MohammadZaman
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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-08-2011 03:21 AM in reply to: MohammadZaman

    1.7 is too big

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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-08-2011 04:47 AM in reply to: MohammadZaman

     

    As far as I can see from the codebook (formula 30-4) you want either to see Cv coeff or C from V(base shear) = C*W(total weight\mass). These values are not presented in program.

    Base shear coeff presented in report is in fact the ratio of base shear calculated with scaling to base shear without scaling.

    See attached screen shot

     

     

    



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    MohammadZaman
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    Re: Conversion load to mass

    06-08-2011 12:54 PM in reply to: RG_Adsk

    Tank you so much

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