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Hi,
I would like to achieve a drawing presentation with an overview at scale of 1:500 then zones separated with matchlines at scale 1:100. As you can see at the attached image below, size of riser/drop symbol are fine for scale of 1:100 and is too large for scale of 1:500. How do i produce such presentation that has fixed symbol size at different scales? also, i would like to apply the same for generic annotations as symbols for sprinklers, valves, etc. (i tried using detail component as symbols but i got problems regarding the use of masking region to hide objects below the symbol, but still it shows like it is on hidden line, please advice.)
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I've been wondering the same thing. Does anyone out there know how to change the scale of an annotation family after its been brought into a model?
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You would need to edit the family and change the text information there and import it back into the model.
That is the only way to make that change.
When you think of annotation in Revit - you have to think of the end result - what do you want the text height to be when printed? That is the size of text you want to create. Revit takes care of the rest depending upon the scale of the view.
LD

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Sorry to hyjack this old thread. My case is along the same linesof scaling annotative objects in a scaled model drawing, but slightly different. I've been trying to set up an emergency fixture half shade using a fill. I don't get why this wouldn't be available in model? When I create the shade in annotative then bring it in to various model scales it won't work since the fixture lenght is always the same regardless of the drawing scale.
I'm also trying to make it adaptive so I can use the same basic shade for 2, 3 or 4ft fixtures (by changing a shared parameter dimension). From what I've found this doesn't even seem possible with fills. As a work around I've been able to create a bunch of tight model lines in my model instead. Unfortunately when I change the length/width I start getting the "slightly off axis' warning, which in this case I would want some of the lines slightly off to fill in the gap & yet wouldn't want the annoying warning (unless of course I could use a fill which would be preferrable).
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I don't mind the text, i'm satisfied on how revit runs the scaling of the text. what i want to achieve is a non-scaling symbol for single line rise/drop, also a work-around for detail component as a non-scaling symbol for valves, sprinklers, etc. because i've encountered a problem regarding its presentation of hiding the objects beneath the symbol, though i have used masking region on the detail component as symbol, it still shows objects underneath as if it is on hidden line. the reason for using a coarse or medium detail level, is that not all systems are neatly presented in a fine detail like domestic water piping.
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bvanallen wrote:"...I've been trying to set up an emergency fixture half shade using a fill. I don't get why this wouldn't be available in model? When I create the shade in annotative then bring it in to various model scales it won't work since the fixture lenght is always the same regardless of the drawing scale."
If you want to have a non-annotative shaded region in a Family, then create a Detail Component family. You can make it parametric and control the size with Dimensional Constraints and Reference Lines. Then, once loaded into the model Family, you can edit the nested Family's Properties (Type or Instance, depending on what you made it) and Link those Parameters to relevant Values in the host family. (They do not have to be Shared Parameters to do this.) I have attached an example family (Revit 2012).
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CVMN0501 wrote:"I don't mind the text, i'm satisfied on how revit runs the scaling of the text. what i want to achieve is a non-scaling symbol for single line rise/drop, also a work-around for detail component as a non-scaling symbol for valves, sprinklers, etc. because i've encountered a problem regarding its presentation of hiding the objects beneath the symbol, though i have used masking region on the detail component as symbol, it still shows objects underneath as if it is on hidden line. the reason for using a coarse or medium detail level, is that not all systems are neatly presented in a fine detail like domestic water piping."
I've fiddled around with it a little bit (didn't have a lot of time to do so!) but I think you would have to create/modify the fittings to accommodate the desired scale, which would seem like an arduous task. You can turn off the Use Annotation Scale option for the fittings. The default (for new elements) is set under Mechanical Settings, but all existing elements would have to be changed - there is a checkbox option "use annotation scale" under the element's Properties. As for the Rise/Drop, I didn't experiment with that very much, but I've heard a lot of comments about those being uncooperative. Other than that, I can't think of any options other then using Detail Items.
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Thanks cadastrophe, this is exactly what I was trying to do! Crate an annotative hatch with dimensional constraints associated with reference lines (I also tried reference planes). Load it into a model family (which always came in too large) & edit the dimensions (I had triedsetting them as family & shared parameters). When I tried this I always got "constraints not satisified" & had to cancel, so I'm not sure what I was doing wrong.
One thing I did notice; After loading your hatch example I clicked on the hatch and then went into edit family mode. In the annotative family, the bottom-left hand area of the main window lists a drawing scale. How did you get this to come up? In my annotative families I cant get it to show up and set the scale. It's automatically locked out at 1=1.
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Create the hatch Family with the Detail Component (named Detail Item in 2013) Template, not the Generic Annotation Template. They behave VERY differently. I'd be happy to take a look at your Family to troubleshoot it you post it here.
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Cadastrophe, I see!! Without a proper source to actually learn revit I've been having to scour the net for tips & tricks then learn the rest myself and hope it works. Everyhwere else I've been reading up on said filled regions neded to be made in annotation families. I didn't realize you could make them there as well.
This fixes my problem and lets me create scalable symbols that can have linked dimensions within a model family fixture. Thanks again.
FYI, For anyone else who gets this problem; The filled region wasn't showing up in my floor plan, but I have generic models turned of in my visibility settings. I went back into the hatch model and changed the Family Category to Lighting Fixtures. Voila!



