Gable wall above roof

[Anonymous]

Hey, again this seems like an obscenely stupid question, but I can't figure it out. I've attached a screenshot, can someone please tell me the best way to create the sliver of a gable wall above the lower roof, and how to tell the lower roof to extend to that wall. Thanks for any thoughts.

[Anonymous]

This newbie would suggest working in plan view, stretch a wall across the
building situated just over the lower roof with its base constraint the same
elevation as the top of the lower wall, and the top constraint about the
same as the top of the top roof. Then go back to your 3D view and select the
wall....click Attach and then use both options of Attach Top and Attach
Bottom ....the top and the bottom of the wall will get trimmed away leaving
you with the sliver you require.

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

wrote in message news:5259627@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey, again this seems like an obscenely stupid question, but I can't figure
it out. I've attached a screenshot, can someone please tell me the best way
to create the sliver of a gable wall above the lower roof, and how to tell
the lower roof to extend to that wall. Thanks for any thoughts.

[Anonymous]

....keep in mind that whatever portion of the wall the overlaps either roof
will continue past....the only part that will attach and therefore trim off
is that which touches the respective roof.
--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

"david" wrote in message
news:5259695@discussion.autodesk.com...
This newbie would suggest working in plan view, stretch a wall across the
building situated just over the lower roof with its base constraint the same
elevation as the top of the lower wall, and the top constraint about the
same as the top of the top roof. Then go back to your 3D view and select the
wall....click Attach and then use both options of Attach Top and Attach
Bottom ....the top and the bottom of the wall will get trimmed away leaving
you with the sliver you require.

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

wrote in message news:5259627@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey, again this seems like an obscenely stupid question, but I can't figure
it out. I've attached a screenshot, can someone please tell me the best way
to create the sliver of a gable wall above the lower roof, and how to tell
the lower roof to extend to that wall. Thanks for any thoughts.

[Anonymous]

There is probably a better way to do it- but what I usually do (assuming there is a lower ceiling) is create a wall & offset the bottom of it to the height of the roof. Then highlight the wall and click attach.

[Anonymous]

That was along the lines of what I was thinking, but the wall would only attach it's top to 1/2 of the higher roof, and poked through the other half, possibly because the wall base and roof sill are the same? I guess an offset might fix that. My other problem is getting the lower roof to extend to the gable wall so I can attach/detach it in the first place. I tried making two roofs, but couldn't get the part of the two roofs that are in the same plane to clean up nicely (meaning at all).

[Anonymous]

...if I am to understand correct, perhaps using that small exterior wall
that returns...just this side of the exterior door would help.

I'd first select that one and attach it to the upper roof.
Then in plan, create your new wall aligned with the short wall, start where
the short one stops and extend to short wall on other side of building. Base
constrain offset as you see fit, and attach the top to the upper roof. You
should be able to edit the roof line of the lower roof to butt up against
your new wall.

not sure if that makes sense, but that's what I'd be trying...mainly because
I'm too new to Revit to know another way.

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

wrote in message news:5259723@discussion.autodesk.com...
That was along the lines of what I was thinking, but the wall would only
attach it's top to 1/2 of the higher roof, and poked through the other half,
possibly because the wall base and roof sill are the same? I guess an offset
might fix that. My other problem is getting the lower roof to extend to the
gable wall so I can attach/detach it in the first place. I tried making two
roofs, but couldn't get the part of the two roofs that are in the same plane
to clean up nicely (meaning at all).

[Anonymous]

edit the wall profile...

"david" wrote in message
news:5259719@discussion.autodesk.com...
....keep in mind that whatever portion of the wall the overlaps either roof
will continue past....the only part that will attach and therefore trim off
is that which touches the respective roof.
--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

"david" wrote in message
news:5259695@discussion.autodesk.com...
This newbie would suggest working in plan view, stretch a wall across the
building situated just over the lower roof with its base constraint the same
elevation as the top of the lower wall, and the top constraint about the
same as the top of the top roof. Then go back to your 3D view and select the
wall....click Attach and then use both options of Attach Top and Attach
Bottom ....the top and the bottom of the wall will get trimmed away leaving
you with the sliver you require.

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

wrote in message news:5259627@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey, again this seems like an obscenely stupid question, but I can't figure
it out. I've attached a screenshot, can someone please tell me the best way
to create the sliver of a gable wall above the lower roof, and how to tell
the lower roof to extend to that wall. Thanks for any thoughts.

[Anonymous]

one rule of thumb... model it like you would build it.

"Bobby W Parker" wrote in message
news:5259740@discussion.autodesk.com...
edit the wall profile...

"david" wrote in message
news:5259719@discussion.autodesk.com...
....keep in mind that whatever portion of the wall the overlaps either roof
will continue past....the only part that will attach and therefore trim off
is that which touches the respective roof.
--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

"david" wrote in message
news:5259695@discussion.autodesk.com...
This newbie would suggest working in plan view, stretch a wall across the
building situated just over the lower roof with its base constraint the same
elevation as the top of the lower wall, and the top constraint about the
same as the top of the top roof. Then go back to your 3D view and select the
wall....click Attach and then use both options of Attach Top and Attach
Bottom ....the top and the bottom of the wall will get trimmed away leaving
you with the sliver you require.

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

wrote in message news:5259627@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey, again this seems like an obscenely stupid question, but I can't figure
it out. I've attached a screenshot, can someone please tell me the best way
to create the sliver of a gable wall above the lower roof, and how to tell
the lower roof to extend to that wall. Thanks for any thoughts.

[Anonymous]

edit wall profile.... a tool I've not yet used
circular saw, table saw, nail gun....tools I have used.

I'll give it a try some time....so that I have more than one way to model
that wall that also has more than one way of being built 😉

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

"Bobby W Parker" wrote in message
news:5259764@discussion.autodesk.com...
one rule of thumb... model it like you would build it.

"Bobby W Parker" wrote in message
news:5259740@discussion.autodesk.com...
edit the wall profile...

"david" wrote in message
news:5259719@discussion.autodesk.com...
....keep in mind that whatever portion of the wall the overlaps either roof
will continue past....the only part that will attach and therefore trim off
is that which touches the respective roof.
--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

"david" wrote in message
news:5259695@discussion.autodesk.com...
This newbie would suggest working in plan view, stretch a wall across the
building situated just over the lower roof with its base constraint the same
elevation as the top of the lower wall, and the top constraint about the
same as the top of the top roof. Then go back to your 3D view and select the
wall....click Attach and then use both options of Attach Top and Attach
Bottom ....the top and the bottom of the wall will get trimmed away leaving
you with the sliver you require.

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

wrote in message news:5259627@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey, again this seems like an obscenely stupid question, but I can't figure
it out. I've attached a screenshot, can someone please tell me the best way
to create the sliver of a gable wall above the lower roof, and how to tell
the lower roof to extend to that wall. Thanks for any thoughts.

[Anonymous]

I tried to edit the profile, which went fine, but when I tried to connect the lower roof edge to the wall lights started flashing, sirens went off, and my wall shot through the air.

[Anonymous]

"...if I am to understand correct, perhaps using that small exterior wall
that returns...just this side of the exterior door would help."

prolly the one thing I didn't try, I'll give it a whirl and see if it works next time I am on that project. Thanks for the feedback.

[Anonymous]

it's going to be a loft space, so I want to attempt to not have to do that, but sounds like a good work around.

[Anonymous]

it's going to be a loft space, so I want to attempt to not have to do that, but sounds like a good work around.

[Anonymous]

no work arounds needed. Use the Join Roofs tool when the model looks like
it does in your image here. Pick the small return wall as the face to join
to, and then pick the edge of the roof that will need to pass slightly under
the overhang of the roof above. This will join the edge of the roof to the
wall. Now, draw in a wall that will be the "small sliver of a a wall"
between the two roofs. It should be taller than the upper roof, and shorter
than the lower roof at its base. Then highlight the wall, and coose Attach,
slect "TOP" in the Options Bar, and pick the upper roof. Then do the same
but select Bottom in the options bar then pick the lower roof. You're done!

wrote in message news:5259793@discussion.autodesk.com...
it's going to be a loft space, so I want to attempt to not have to do that,
but sounds like a good work around.

[Anonymous]

Uh oh....looks like i was wrong..because its all one roof sketch. I'm
trying to do an example for you. You can't attach the top and bottom
because its the same roof.

Attach the top, and edit the profile of the bottom to get the bottom of the
wall to conform to the lower roof. Idea! (and it works, just tried it.) Go
to the elevation view of the end of the roofs, and draw ref planes by
picking the end of the roof. Then you can attach the bottom of the wall to
the ref plane.

"Scott Davis" wrote in message
news:5259809@discussion.autodesk.com...
no work arounds needed. Use the Join Roofs tool when the model looks like
it does in your image here. Pick the small return wall as the face to join
to, and then pick the edge of the roof that will need to pass slightly under
the overhang of the roof above. This will join the edge of the roof to the
wall. Now, draw in a wall that will be the "small sliver of a a wall"
between the two roofs. It should be taller than the upper roof, and shorter
than the lower roof at its base. Then highlight the wall, and coose Attach,
slect "TOP" in the Options Bar, and pick the upper roof. Then do the same
but select Bottom in the options bar then pick the lower roof. You're done!

wrote in message news:5259793@discussion.autodesk.com...
it's going to be a loft space, so I want to attempt to not have to do that,
but sounds like a good work around.

[Anonymous]

Guru Scott,

I'd be inclined to Edit roof, select all the lines of the lower roof, copy
to clip board, delete, finish roof. Then create Roof, line tool, paste lines
from clip board, finish roof...and thereby have two roofs. Then I'd use the
simpler select Wall, attach top then attach bottom to the two separate
roofs.....but I'm a newb.

Does this sound do-able...or should I just sit down and learn from the
master.

David

--
David Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an impermanent Universe."

"Scott Davis" wrote in message
news:5259810@discussion.autodesk.com...
Uh oh....looks like i was wrong..because its all one roof sketch. I'm
trying to do an example for you. You can't attach the top and bottom
because its the same roof.

Attach the top, and edit the profile of the bottom to get the bottom of the
wall to conform to the lower roof. Idea! (and it works, just tried it.) Go
to the elevation view of the end of the roofs, and draw ref planes by
picking the end of the roof. Then you can attach the bottom of the wall to
the ref plane.

"Scott Davis" wrote in message
news:5259809@discussion.autodesk.com...
no work arounds needed. Use the Join Roofs tool when the model looks like
it does in your image here. Pick the small return wall as the face to join
to, and then pick the edge of the roof that will need to pass slightly under
the overhang of the roof above. This will join the edge of the roof to the
wall. Now, draw in a wall that will be the "small sliver of a a wall"
between the two roofs. It should be taller than the upper roof, and shorter
than the lower roof at its base. Then highlight the wall, and coose Attach,
slect "TOP" in the Options Bar, and pick the upper roof. Then do the same
but select Bottom in the options bar then pick the lower roof. You're done!

wrote in message news:5259793@discussion.autodesk.com...
it's going to be a loft space, so I want to attempt to not have to do that,
but sounds like a good work around.

[Anonymous]

LOL!!!

[Anonymous]

Two roofs is another way to solve the situation,
although the roof is simple enough to be defined by one sketch.  The
somewhat tricky part is getting the samll piece of wall between the two roofs,
which can be accomplished with a combo of attaching to roofs/ref planes and
editing the profile of the wall.

The other "trick" is using the Join Roofs tool to
make the one-sketch roof 'overlap' itself at the gable.

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"david" <
href="mailto:binford@shaw.ca">
size=2>binford@shaw.ca> wrote in message

size=2>news:5259813@discussion.autodesk.com
size=2>...

Guru Scott,

I'd be
inclined to Edit roof, select all the lines of the lower roof, copy
to clip
board, delete, finish roof. Then create Roof, line tool, paste lines
from
clip board, finish roof...and thereby have two roofs. Then I'd use the

simpler select Wall, attach top then attach bottom to the two separate

roofs.....but I'm a newb.

Does this sound do-able...or should I just
sit down and learn from the
master.

David

--
David
Ford
Migrant Technical Laborer

"Reinvention is requisite to life in an
impermanent Universe."

"Scott Davis" <
href="mailto:scott@wlc-architects.com">
size=2>scott@wlc-architects.com> wrote in
message

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face=Arial size=2>...
Uh oh....looks like i was wrong..because its all one
roof sketch.  I'm
trying to do an example for you.  You can't
attach the top and bottom
because its the same roof.

Attach the top,
and edit the profile of the bottom to get the bottom of the
wall to conform
to the lower roof.  Idea! (and it works, just tried it.)  Go
to the
elevation view of the end of the roofs, and draw ref planes by
picking the
end of the roof.  Then you can attach the bottom of the wall to
the ref
plane.

"Scott Davis" <
href="mailto:scott@wlc-architects.com">
size=2>scott@wlc-architects.com> wrote in
message

face=Arial size=2>news:5259809@discussion.autodesk.com
face=Arial size=2>...
no work arounds needed.  Use the Join Roofs tool
when the model looks like
it does in your image here.  Pick the small
return wall as the face to join
to, and then pick the edge of the roof that
will need to pass slightly under
the overhang of the roof above.  This
will join the edge of the roof to the
wall.  Now, draw in a wall that
will be the "small sliver of a a wall"
between the two roofs.  It should
be taller than the upper roof, and shorter
than the lower roof at its
base.  Then highlight the wall, and coose Attach,
slect "TOP" in the
Options Bar, and pick the upper roof.  Then do the same
but select
Bottom in the options bar then pick the lower roof.  You're
done!

<patagoniadave> wrote in message
href="news:5259793@discussion.autodesk.com">
size=2>news:5259793@discussion.autodesk.com
size=2>...
it's going to be a loft space, so I want to attempt to not have to
do that,
but sounds like a good work around.

[Anonymous]

Thanks Scott, I don't have the model in front of me, but I think what I was doing wrong was trying to join the roof to the sliver wall, instead of the small return wall. I'm going to give that a whirl. Just out of curiousity I am going to try and edit the profile of the small return wall and see if I can talk it into also being the sliver wall at the same time. Thanks again.

[Anonymous]

F.Y.I. If you are searching for this topic, and reading this post. What worked for me was using the return wall, and editing it's profile so that it was also the sliver wall. The lower roof attached nicely to the gable wall, and it all looks great. Thanks for the feedback everyone.